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Revell 1/426 USS Arizona build challenges.

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Revell 1/426 USS Arizona build challenges.
Posted by GlennS_TX on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 11:18 PM

About 5 years ago, I purchased Trumpeter’s 1/350 BB-35 USS Texas and Bronco’s 1/350 LCS 3 USS Fort Worth. After examining the Kits, I realized I was in over my head. So later I bought the Revell Arizona to cut my teeth on a serious Battleship build. Life got in the way and they all sat in a closet. 

So now I’ve been working on the Arizona. I want to make her close to the new model they put at her memorial. I drilled all the hull portholes. I had thought I managed to build and sand the hull without needing filler. Priming told me otherwise. So I corrected that And re-primed. I airbrushed the bottom with Tamiya acrylic hull red. So far so good. For the blue parts, I had read a post here the said Sea blue Was the color. So Ibought Tamiya Sea Blue. Having watched all Frankie Day’s 1:200 Arizona build on YouTube, I thought Seablue was correct. Well after airbrushing it, I realized that was too dark. Almost black. So more research said Tamiya medium blue was a match for late 1941 5-S A and B. This appears to be correct, cause it is much closer to the memorial’s model. So 2 coats of that. Tonight I masked the hull to airbrush the black stripe. I’m Using the blue painters tape that worked for the hull red and medium blue with minimal seepage. Big mistake. It seeped bad. Should have used a black sharpie. So could use some advice On that.

Last night I spent a long time masking the turrets, bits and anchor chain sections Of the fore deck. Thinking there had to be a better way, I tried hand painting the aft deck. Another big mistake. Straight Tamiya didnt brush well. Thinned 2:1 was too watery. And after all these years, my hands are still not that steady for fine brushing. What should I do here?

I plan on trying to mod her Gulls to look close to Kingfishers.

thanks, Glenn

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Posted by Phil_H on Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:10 AM

GlennS_TX
Straight Tamiya didnt brush well. Thinned 2:1 was too watery.

3  parts paint to one part (X-20A) thinner is the sweet spot for brushing Tamiya acrylic. You will probably need to recoat, but don't be tempted to try recoating without letting it cure at least overnight. 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:57 AM

I don't suggest the Sharpie. Its more a purple than black, and any clear coat, in particular acrylic, will make it run like Bolt.

If masking isn't working for you, try a paint pen. The pen line is pretty thin though. The actual boot stripe was about 6 feet high so, at your scale thats about 3/16".

 

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Posted by ddp59 on Thursday, October 11, 2018 10:58 AM

Glenn, did you leave on the solid railings or did you take them off? i'm using that same model to do the OBB's during WW2 in this link. http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=165105

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Posted by GlennS_TX on Thursday, October 11, 2018 11:24 AM

I left the railings. Except for drilling the port holes,  don't plant on any extra mods for this kit. Some claim it is more accurate than the newer kits.

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Posted by the Baron on Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:23 PM

GlennS_TX

...Straight Tamiya didnt brush well. Thinned 2:1 was too watery. And after all these years, my hands are still not that steady for fine brushing. What should I do here?

I second Phil.  Are you using Tamiya's acrylic thinner?  If not, I recommend it.  I also brush Tamiya acrylics by hand, and I had problems with them, till I read that they are formulated for airbrushing and are meant to be thinned.  Then it took me a while to experiment with water and with isopropyl, till I tried Tamiya's proprietary thinner.  All problems were resolved.  No clumping, no lifting coats off with a second coat.  I can put down a layer of color as thin and as even as if I had airbrushed it.

My ratio is probably not as precise, probably closer to two-to-one, thinner to paint, than three-to-one.  I use an eye dropper to measure the thinner out, on a ceramic palette.

I built Revell's scaled-down version of this kit, in 1/720, and never built the original, large-scale kit.  How are all of the horizontal seams between the superstructure parts?

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

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Posted by ddp59 on Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:07 PM

Glenn, the shape of the Revell Arizona hull in the stern is wrong as it is concave not convex & the torpedo bulges are missing tho outlined causing the model to be narrower then it should be. look at the Arizona i'm working on in the above link i had posted before to see the difference between the worked on & non worked on models of that ship.

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Posted by GlennS_TX on Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:19 PM

I see what you mean. But I think I'm going to complete the kit as is for the most part. It's been a long time since I've completed any models. And when I was younger, I would just get frustrated and give up when things didn't go as planned.

 

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Posted by GlennS_TX on Thursday, October 11, 2018 8:44 PM

Thanks everyone for the tips. I’m trying to take these misteps in stride so as to not get frustrated and quit. One of the reasons for this kit is to learn. And with 40% off coupon at Hobby Lobby, they’re affordable to scrap. Better to scrap this and start over than scrap my 1/350 BB-35.

I am thinning with the Tamiya acrylic airbrush thinner. And I do use eye droppers to measure. I mix them in a pallet tray. Tried 3:1 to night. I used a finer tip brush and painted the decks. It went well. Will have to touch up some blue spots when done. But at 3:1, it’s still thin. So it will take multiple coats to get adequate coverage. Then comes the dark brown wash. followed by cleaning up the blue spots. Should I spray a clear coat between any of these steps?

In addition, I masked the lower hull and airbrushed the top again with The Tamiya medium blue. I plan to do the lower hull tomorrow night. Should I spray a clear coat before trying the stripe again? I plan on masking again. I may get some Tamiya tape. Then use a black paint pen this time for the stripe.

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Posted by GlennS_TX on Friday, October 12, 2018 1:03 PM

Here are some photos of my build so far. Plus what I'm going for. Other than color and the planes, I don't plan on investing alot into making this kit super accurate.

TheMemorialModelColorScheme

 

HullAsOfToday

TopViewOfHull

SideProfileWithPartiallyPaintedDecking

TopViewWithPartiallyPaintedDecking

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, October 12, 2018 1:32 PM

You are doing everything right. It's a heritage model and has so many basic problems that I personally think it's better to put it together nicely as is, paint it the way you want, and save the PE etc. for the larger model.

It can be fun to spruce up these old Revell kits. I've done it for the T2, the seaplane tender and the C-3. But they have no better options really.

 

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Posted by GlennS_TX on Friday, October 12, 2018 9:51 PM

Second coat of paint for the decks.

https://flic.kr/p/Negzra

I think the fore and aft deck need only one more. The upper deck needs two. Then the dark brown wash. Followed by cleaning up the blue. 

I plan to continue the deck tomorrow. As well as fix the paint job on the lower hull. And paint airbrush the top of turrets 1,2 and 4 Tamiya red. That is if it is warm enough.

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Posted by ddp59 on Saturday, October 13, 2018 12:24 PM

those 2 8 sided plates between the 2 empty gun tubs on the lower deck are wood covered so will be same color as the rest of the deck. the Arizona was not sea blue on the hull as she was in the process of being repainted before the attack & she was in measure 1 colors.

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Posted by GlennS_TX on Saturday, October 13, 2018 9:59 PM

Cool and rainy day. So I didn’t airbrush the hull. Maybe tomorrow. Should hit 77F.

 

continued painting the decks. I think they’re done. Just need the brown wash. Then clean up the blue sections. Painted the top edges of the boats and cross members tan. 

 

Began assembing the super structure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by GlennS_TX on Sunday, October 14, 2018 9:23 PM

Busy day of modeling.

  • Applied brown wash to decking.
  • Cleaned up blue sections.
  • Airbrushed assembled bridge superstructure.
  • Airbrushed turrets 1,2 and 4
  • Glued upper and foredecks together
  • Added guns and turrets to decks.
  • Assembled masts
  • Added search Lights to stack

 

 

 

And airbrushed lower hull after last weeks waterline fiasco. Tamiya masking tape is much better. But costs an arm and a leg.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Monday, October 15, 2018 11:46 AM

I like her.....  one thing you can do on paint bleed through is to apply a clear coat after masking and before your color.  The clear will seal the edge. Or shoot a light coat of the color you are masking over, will do the same thing..ie., if doing the boot now after the other two colors then the clear, or clear/hull color if doing the hull red as in the last pic.

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Posted by PFJN on Monday, October 15, 2018 12:07 PM

Hi,

Your build looks great.  Its amazing how nice some of these old kits can look when given a careful, well done effort Big Smile

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Posted by GlennS_TX on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 9:28 PM

Last night I masked off the hull to paint the waterline with a black paint pen. Should have put another coat within 3 hours but didn’t. So that will wait till tomorrow night.

 

Tonight, I continued construction. Inserted the decks into the hull. Added the boats, cranes, catipult, stack and bridge.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 9:47 PM

Very nice.

Try not to take model photos against an active background (constructive suggestion)

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Posted by GlennS_TX on Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:32 PM
Thanks GM. She’s getting close. Just need to paint the masts, anchors and screws. Hopefully tomorrow will be warm enough to airbrush the masts. They’re so small, it won’t take much.
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Posted by GlennS_TX on Wednesday, October 17, 2018 9:33 PM

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Not much progress tonight. I painted a second coat for the water line with the paint marker. I eyeballed the location and width of the waterline. Hope it is close enough for government work.

The masts are on for dry fitting. Wanted to paint the masts with my new Iwata Neo gravity fed airbrush. Should have known there is no standard airhose lines for airbrushes. So didn’t get the masts painted yet.

Bought some decorative wood from hobby lobby to mount her on. Sanded and stained that.

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:39 AM

GlennS ;

 I have the Trumpeter 1/200 at 90% for a client .I took the Blue and overcoated it with a mist wash of Grey/White to lighten the blue . The Pacific environment is very hard on painted surfaces .

 I always tell everyone  "Just build a good model in your eyes ". You are building for yourself right ? I also have an Arizona in that size in Grey and one in Blue . Both look good to me . No extra detailing stuff , just OOB .

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Posted by GlennS_TX on Thursday, October 18, 2018 8:00 PM

Best $37 I’ve spent in awhile. So much easier for those small airbrush jobs than siphon fead.

 

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, October 18, 2018 9:13 PM

Looks like a Neo. I'm a gravity guy too. Once you get used to making up the paint off line in a container and pouring it into the a/b cup every little while, the control of the lighter a/b is so much easier.

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Posted by Nino on Thursday, October 18, 2018 11:08 PM

Looking real good.   Nice Hull Color and good looking deck.

     I too am a  5-S believer, although I'm not convinced the entire ship below the Funnel top was completed in Sea Blue.

     Are you planning on adding any additional AM parts to the kit ?

      Thanks for this Thread on this old Revell kit.  I'm sure most of the folks here have built it several times. There always seems to be new evidence that contradicts the last "build".  It's one of those models you don't get tired of.

Amazing how this old kit is still so popular.

  Thanks.

           Nino

 

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Posted by GlennS_TX on Friday, October 19, 2018 6:53 AM
Thanks Nino. I’m build8ng her as is. To be honest, this ship began as an inexpensive learning experience. But it has increased my interest in her and other historic ships. Originally it was going to be Texas related ships. But after this, I’m adding two more. Trumpeter’s 1/700 USS Hornet CV-8 for the Doolittle raid. And their 1/350 USS Indianapolis. I would prefer a 1/700, but they don’t make one. And I think Tamiya’s kit is only waterline.
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Posted by GlennS_TX on Friday, October 19, 2018 6:55 AM
GM, it is the Neo by Iwata. Only thing I struggled with is the cup cap. It’s good that it’s tight. But they don’t have a tab or lip to make it easy to open for adding more paint as I go.
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Posted by GlennS_TX on Friday, October 19, 2018 6:57 AM
Thanks for the tip Tanker Builder. For this kit, I want her to look pristine. Like she is still in dry dock after being painted.
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Posted by GlennS_TX on Friday, October 19, 2018 10:18 PM

Almost done. Attach screws. Paint stands. Decals. Rigging.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Nino on Saturday, October 20, 2018 11:54 AM

 Really like the Sea-blue color.  The props look fine too.  Is that the paint used, the "Folk Art acrylic"?

I think your Bi-planes became Mono-planes. I left them off on my first Arizona and put one hanging from the crane on the last Arizona I built.

What's your plan to mount it for display?

    Nino

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