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Revell 1/305 USCGC Taney build - as USCGC Duane

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Revell 1/305 USCGC Taney build - as USCGC Duane
Posted by rcboater on Sunday, October 28, 2018 6:46 PM

My club‘s Theme Build for 2018 is the Vietnam Nam war.  The Coast Guard played a significant role in securing Vietnam's 1,200-mile coastline. Some 8,000 Coast Guardsmen and 56 different combatant vessels were assigned to duty there.  So I decided to do a USCG Secretary class cutter from Coast Guard Squadron Three, which operated from 1967 to 1971.

I am building the Revell Taney kit as one of her sisters, the USCGC Duane. The seven 327’ Secretary class Cutters entered service in 1936-37, and the last ones were decommissioned in 1986.  The  Revell kit dates from 1956 and has been sold as both the Taney and the Campbell since it’s original release.  The box-scale kit scales out to about 1/305 scale.  The kit isn’t an accurate replica of any of the class at any given time, though it purports to be the Campbell from the Korean War era. It is a mix of weapons and equipment from multiple ships at different points in time.  But the basic shapes  are pretty good...

Gold Metal Models does have a detail set for this kit- I’ll be using at least some of it (railings, for sure) to replace the infamous Revell “railing walls”. 

-Bill

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Posted by Marcus McBean on Sunday, October 28, 2018 7:12 PM

Sounds like a fun and interesting build, are you going have the 5" gun on the bow?

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, October 28, 2018 7:37 PM

Should be a fun build and conversion. I was in the GC and remember when the Taney was decommissioned in 86 and sent to Baltimore as a meusem ship.

Steve

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Posted by rcboater on Sunday, October 28, 2018 7:52 PM

modelcrazy

Should be a fun build and conversion. I was in the CG and remember when the Taney was decommissioned in 86 and sent to Baltimore as a meusem ship.

Taney was decommissioned on December 7, 1986. It was a big deal - lots of VIPs.   I was a LTJG stationed at the District Office in Portsmouth then, and served ( with lots of others from the area) as a VIP usher for the ceremony.  The special guest was an elderly Mrs. Corrine Taney something. (Don’t remember her married name.)  She was a descendant of Roger B. Taney, and as a young woman had christened the ship at her launch in 1936.

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Posted by rcboater on Sunday, October 28, 2018 7:58 PM

Marcus McBean

Sounds like a fun and interesting build, are you going have the 5" gun on the bow?

Yes-  the kit’s 5”/38 turret is a little clunky, but I’ll make it do.  I sanded what looks like baseboard trim(!) off the bottom of the turret sides, and added the PE doors. 

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Posted by rcboater on Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:13 PM

The kit’s main deck has fine raised wood planking detail, but the wood decks were gone later in the ship’s career.  The deck is covered with oversize, clunky details— there are vague lumpy things that are supposed to be the K-gun depth charge throwers, and bollards that look like oversized traffic cones.  The deck also has various oversized locating ridges for other parts, some of which I won’t be using.

Rather than try to carve and sand all this away, I decided to just make a new deck from .040 sheet styrene and add new details. My model won’t have any depth charges, so the deck extensions aren’t needed, either. I also filled in the stern ports.

I ordered a few  1/350 scale parts- I’m going to use resin bollards to replace the traffic cones.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, October 28, 2018 8:18 PM

In 86 I was an ET3 in Kodiak aboard the Storis, another WW2 veteran. Her fate wasn't as pleasant shall we say. The "Queen of the Fleet" was scrapped after 64 1/2 years of service. The first American vessel to circumnavigate North America. Her max speed was 14 kts but we usually putted around at 11. Confused

Steve

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, October 29, 2018 12:51 AM

I've got the kit minus a few parts, plus the GMM set. Any one wants it, drop me a PM.

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Posted by EdGrune on Monday, October 29, 2018 11:53 AM

The library of Congress' Historical American Engineering Record (HAER) project has a page of digitized information on the cutter STORIS  (other USCG craft & stations are also available).  

https://www.loc.gov/item/ak0534/

There are some pretty good information presented in the as-decommisioned state including plan views, elevations, and lines.  The deck plans should be valuable in determining what needs to be deleted from the Taney kit deck.   If you are particularly anal, there are a set pf plate expansion drawings to rescribe the kit hull correctly.   

https://www.loc.gov/resource/hhh.ak0534.sheet?st=gallery

 

Another section has aerial, external and internal photos.

There are 10 photos of the Taney located here

https://www.loc.gov/item/md1610/

 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, October 29, 2018 2:38 PM

EdGrune

The library of Congress' Historical American Engineering Record (HAER) project has a page of digitized information on the cutter STORIS  (other USCG craft & stations are also available).  

https://www.loc.gov/item/ak0534/

There are some pretty good information presented in the as-decommisioned state including plan views, elevations, and lines.  The deck plans should be valuable in determining what needs to be deleted from the Taney kit deck.   If you are particularly anal, there are a set pf plate expansion drawings to rescribe the kit hull correctly.   

https://www.loc.gov/resource/hhh.ak0534.sheet?st=gallery

 

Another section has aerial, external and internal photos.

There are 10 photos of the Taney located here

https://www.loc.gov/item/md1610/

 

 

 

Oh the ole Stowi-pig, I miss that slow, fat heavy rolling (45 deg at times in the Bearing) gal

Steve

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, October 29, 2018 2:43 PM

GMorrison

I've got the kit minus a few parts, plus the GMM set. Any one wants it, drop me a PM.

 

Hmmmm Hmm

Steve

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Posted by rcboater on Monday, October 29, 2018 3:34 PM

Thanks for the link--  but I must be doing something wrong--  all I can find are the Storis plans and 10 photos of the Taney. Can't seem to find any Taney plans, after trying multiple searches...

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Posted by EdGrune on Monday, October 29, 2018 4:00 PM

There might not be any Taney plans.   It all depends on what the archivists did, measured, drew up, photographed.   Then there are items which are identified but have not been digitized & put online.   It depends on funding & time

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Posted by rcboater on Monday, October 29, 2018 4:06 PM

One of the reasons to make my own deck was the desire to replace the foc'sle anchor handling gear with something better.   

Here is a shot of the new deck in the foreground, with the kit's original two part deck in the background. (You can see the truncated cones bollards, too.)

At this point, I still need to add the access ports in the deck where the chain goes down to the chain locker.  The replacement chain came out of the scrap box.  It isn't standard navy stud-link chain, but it still looks a heck of a lot better than what Revell molded into the deck....

Taney Deck

I also made the capstan drums from some scrap styrene- I glued a piece of tube over a piece of rod, and then clamped it into my cordless screwdriver to turn and shape the piece with files and sandpaper.  

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, October 29, 2018 4:21 PM

That's smart. So much cleaner.

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Posted by rcboater on Monday, October 29, 2018 6:00 PM

The hull is glued up with my replacement deck.  I epoxied a strip of 3/4" square  basswood in the bottom of the hull, to serve as an anchor for whatever mounting (pedestals, keel blocks, etc.)  I end up using for the finished model.   

An advantage of the blocks is that I can also mount a handle to make it easy to hold the hull while painting...

The hull was primed with Tamiya rattlecan fine white primer, then painted with Tamiya flat white and hull red. 

Hull painting

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Posted by ddp59 on Monday, October 29, 2018 6:13 PM

EdGrune & rcboater, i have a copy of the Taney plans downloaded from the coastguard site before the site was changed. it is a 8.47meg pdf file containing 327GeneralPlansMainDeck & 327GeneralPlansProfile so if you want a copy let me know.

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Posted by rcboater on Monday, October 29, 2018 6:14 PM

I actually started this kit about a month ago-   I'm still catching up with posts.  (There's no way I normally work this fast!) 

I masked and painted the CG "racing stripe".  Coast Guard Red is a red-orange color (FS 12199), which isn't available in any model paint colors.  (CG Bob says that ModelMaster Chevy Engine Red is the closest.)  That color is only available in enamels, so I kept looking.  (I ended up using a color from the Citadel gaming line-- a scarlet with a bit of orange tint to it.  The photo makes it look darker and redder than it is in person.)

After I applied it to the model and removed the masking-- I realized that I had made the stripe about only 2/3 as wide as it should have been.  So I ended up remasking and re-painting.   

Too narrow:

narrow stripe

Much better:

wide strip

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Posted by rcboater on Monday, October 29, 2018 6:16 PM

ddp59:  I would love to get a copy of that file!   

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Posted by ddp59 on Monday, October 29, 2018 6:22 PM

pm your email address. will also copy the USCG Painting Regs 1952 & painting bootline for another 2.5megs.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, October 29, 2018 6:42 PM

RC, what are you planing on using for the Spar color? I love the stripe.

Steve

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Posted by rcboater on Monday, October 29, 2018 8:33 PM

modelcrazy

RC, what are you planing on using for the Spar color? I love the stripe.

I used to use Testors Deck Tan, but that’s gone now. I have of tin of White Ensign‘s Spar, which I am hoarding, it looks like an exact match to my FS deck. But, it is an enamel, which I won’t  airbrush indoors, so I won’t be using it here.

I have also used MM Yellow Ochre before, which is close, but a little too dark/intense.

I recently stumbled accross a great match:  Vallejo’s Medium Flesh looks like an excellent match. It is what I’ll use on this model.

Rather than mask and paint the thin blue part of the stripe, I think I’ll use a decal....

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, October 29, 2018 8:44 PM

You can still get WEM Spar. I steered Fright to it for his lightship build. IMO there's nothing else that's quite right. It's a pretty sophisticated color, alot of brown (red creates that).

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Posted by rcboater on Monday, October 29, 2018 8:56 PM

One last catch-up post to get this thread up to date.....

While waiting for the paint to dry, I did some work to improve the small boats.  The kit comes with four WW-2 era boats, including three open whaleboats.  I took a shot at reworking two of them into something that looks more like a USCG 26’ Motor Surfboat (MSB).  Some sanding to reshape the hull and the addition of scrap bits of styrene made a big difference:

Boats

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Tuesday, October 30, 2018 7:24 AM

Hi;

    You are on a roll with this . I have probably built about six or seven of these . Two I know were OOB . The rest well , One grey and in Navy colors and the rest as High Performance Motor yachts .

 There wasn't and still isn't a model of any motoryacht over 100' to build from . Many of the really Rich Guys and Governments had motoryachts that were long range seagoing ships and could travel to foreign ports .

 What has been offered could not make it and further than the Bahamas . Living as I did in Miami beach as a kid for half the year I saw some Large yachts that would knock your socks off .

   I have always liked those like the old Seqouia and others . I think they bespeak a time of real craftmanship . Now your tweaks , so far , are very good and interesting to see . Many would Not pick up on some of the discrepencies of this vessel and try to correct them .

 For chain like you need , try your local Jewelry show the next time it is in town . You will find lots that is not in the stores ! T.B.

 

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Posted by ejhammer on Tuesday, October 30, 2018 8:36 AM

For Navy link chain, I found this;

From Floating Drydock

3-D printed in 3 sizes,

7.5 links per inch, 9.5 links per inch, and 11.5 links per inch, in packages of 12 inches.

The picture shows the largest size.

 

EJ

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Posted by rcboater on Monday, November 05, 2018 10:04 PM

I have been working on the superstructure lately. I used my razor saws to cut off all the molded in railings everywhere they appeared.   There has been lots of filling, sanding, priming, and painting. Lots of masking, too- every little sub-assembly has white on the vertical sections and gray on the decks.  

 

One feature of the ship was the black stripes behind the vertical ladders. They were painted black there because it would be impossible to keep white paint looking clean from all the black toed scuffs from the crew climbing up and down those ladders all the time!

 

I decided I would do more harm than good if I tried to sand away the molded-on ladders to replace them with PE parts. So instead, I masked the ladders and airbrushed them black. (Actually a grey-black, as pure black is too stark in this scale.). After it dried I used the edge of my knife to scrape away the dark paint, letting the white on the raised ladder show through.  I rather like the effect- it looks better in person than in this extreme close-up!

 

 

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Posted by ddp59 on Tuesday, November 06, 2018 9:17 AM

i'll be using 1 of my Taney kits to do the 4 enclosed 5" 38 cal gun mounts version of the 1943-44 Taney.

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Posted by PFJN on Tuesday, November 06, 2018 11:13 AM

RCBoater,

Your build is looking good, and I always enjoy hearing about new tips and tricks.

Can't wait to see more.

PF

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Posted by rcboater on Tuesday, November 06, 2018 6:25 PM

K

ddp59

I’ll be using 1 of my Taney kits to do the 4 enclosed 5" 38 cal gun mounts version of the 1943-44 Taney.

That’s a great idea- Taney was the only one to be armed that way. 

I was about to post on the 5 inch turret, so I’ll do it now.  I saw that Model Monkey offers a 1/300 scale turret set for the Taney kit-  you get two in a package (but no barrels.) I ordered them and they came quickly.  They are nicely made, and show how far off the Revell turret is. Compared to the MM 3-D printed turret, the Revell one has some issues:

- In profile, the two turrets are about the same size. But from the front, the Revell turret is noticeably wider.

- It is square when looking at it from above- it is missing the  taper- the back of the turret is not as wide as the front.

- the gun is centered on the face of turret, and should be offset to the right.

- the turret has the Gun Captain’s observation hood, which most, but not all, of the class photos seem to not have.

So what am I going to do?   Keep the kit turret! 

Here’s why— my new, custom deck was made long before I found out about the replacement turret, so the base I made was sized for what I now realize is a too-wide turret.  The correct turret won’t fit.  

About all I can do now is to sand away the observation hood....or not.  I found one picture of the Duane with it..

http://duaneassociation.com/Plymouth-74-042.gif

 

 

 

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