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Where can I find some 1/159th scale 32 pounders?

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Where can I find some 1/159th scale 32 pounders?
Posted by fritzthefox on Friday, June 28, 2019 2:54 PM

I am building Revell's H-357 USS Constitution (the 22 inch quick build), largely out of guilt over having wrecked my dad's 1/196th Ironsides when I was young. This is my first ship kit...I normally build aircraft...so it seemed like a nice compromise between appearance and simplicity. However, like a LOT of Revell kits I have purchased, it seems to have a few inexplicable quirks which I can only assume were the result of a committee design decision. (Revell does this all the time. For example, why would you model a twin engine airplane with one engine having open cowl flaps and another one with closed cowl flaps? I don't know, but they did.)

One of these quirks is that five of the gunports are open and the rest are closed, presumably to spare the modelbuilder the tedium of dealing with all of those cannon. Of course, no ship would ever sail like that, ever. I decided that the best way to address that little design anomaly was to close the gunport lids. That was easy enough, but there seems to be considerable debate over just what sort of lids were in place, if any, during various times of the ship's career. I am inclined to model the ship in its modern appearance, because it is relatively easy to find definitive photo reference. But that means I need to stick a bunch of scale gun barrels (I am assuming 32 pounders?) on the hull, as if they were projecting out of the split lids.

Would anyone know where to find some cheap aftermarket guns, or an economical kit I could buy that might have some, or recommend some other sort of creative solution to the problem? 

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, June 28, 2019 11:04 PM

Try model monkey.  I know he has the file for 32 pounders, which he can scale to just about any size.  Turn around with him is relatively quick and excellent quality.

Bob

 

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, June 29, 2019 12:18 AM

Well, I am sure you could find the 1:196 kit for about $ 30.00 if you look.

The Quick Build kit isn't one with a lot of positives. If you really think it's worth all the effort, you'll also have make carriages to go with the barrels. The kit carriages, the ones that exist, are part of the decks.

As far as accuracy, the one mode that is demonstrably inaccurate is all guns on both sides run out. That would take twice the crew that the ships carried, serve no purpose in a real chase and fight. 

Constitution has 32 pounder carronades on the spar deck, and 24 pounder long guns on the gun deck.

Remember Revells fine Victory from that era also had minimal guns below the upper gun deck.

I'm very fond of the Revell 1/196 Constitution. I've built quite a few as frigates from other navies of the period. 

In answer to your question, I suppose a Lindberg Jolly Roger (La Gloire) which is a fine frigate kit at about 1/130, could supply you with a couple of dozen cannon and carriages. They aren't cheap, but I recently bought one for $ 25 at a yard sale.

 

 

 

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Posted by fritzthefox on Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:29 PM

Thank you, that is some excellent advice. (That Jolly Roger kit actually looks more fun to build. But I'm committed to Ol' Ironsides, on principal. It is all part of my penance.)

Thanks again!

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, June 29, 2019 2:41 PM

fritzthefox
seems to have a few inexplicable quirks which I can only assume were the result of a committee design decision.

You have hit upon one of the continuing bugabears in the scale ship modeling world.

Sone of the OOB instructions leave you with configurations really much to like having all a/c accesses open, but also wheels-up-in-flight as well.  (Sail angle and which sails are used is a another rant, entire.)

Another issue that virtually every manufacturer is guilty of is boxing the same kit with different names on the box, sometimes without even bothering to have even a quarter-sprue of differing details.  This winds up as egregious as boing a Hurricane and calling it a Spitfire and a Typhoon.  To only as bad as kitting up an M4A1 and boxing as every vcariant (including Ram and Grizzly).

This gets deep pretty quick.And, it's once again, one more reason that research is as important as the kit quality.  The Britsh built around 4 and 50 "74s" and captured and converted a dozen or so.  They razeed some three deckers, too, perhaps 20 (perhaps).  So, the 74 counts as one of the few sailing man-of-warships that was built to a "class."  Except that they really weren't.  The genral particulars were mandated, but each shipyard and shipwright did it their way. 

The same yard and wright did not produce Constitution, Constellation, or President--yet, the kist of those are virtually identical (and Constellation has its own debates).

Now, down about 1/350 scale, this could be more forgiven, where differnces of several feet are measured in the hundreths and thousandths (12" at 1/350 is 0.034"). 

Even in steel ships we see this, and despite having more accurate records (or even specific, preserved, ships) for refernce. 

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Posted by rcboater on Saturday, July 6, 2019 10:46 PM

I think the Capn meant Constitution, President, United States, and Chesapeake. They were the four 44 gun frigates built to the same Joshua Humphreys design, but in different cities, so they varied a bit. (Congress and Constellation were 38 gun ships.)

His main point bears repeating-  the old Revell took a number of kits and put the same basic plastic (with minor changes) into boxes with different names.   Their marketing the HMS Bounty kit as Darwin’s HMS Beagle is an egregious example.....  You can’t assume the plastic in an old Revell ship kit box is in a reasonably accurate model of the subject on the box art. 

You may want to google “Model Monkey” — he is a 3-D designer who is selling an impressive collection of 3-D printed items to replace poorly done original kit parts. He has started to do sailing ship parts now- for example, he has both long guns and caronades for the 1/96 Constitution kit.  He may be able to scale that down to 1/160 for you.....

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 6, 2019 10:53 PM

I'm currently reading Toll's Six Frigates.

Really interesting.

It's truly remarkable that we still have Constitution, more or less recreated as built. A real national treasure.

I went to visit her once. Never forget.

Referencing another thread I was writing in today, she's pretty bad-assed, like the F-4 Phantom II of her day.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by rcboater on Sunday, July 7, 2019 3:55 PM

Toll’s book is very good - I enjoyed it.   CDR Martin’s “A Most Fortinate Ship” is also a great read.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, July 7, 2019 5:23 PM

rcboater
Constitution, President, United States, and Chesapeake.

Well, I was mor ethinking of the ships stuck in kit boxes than the actual six.

Cutty Sark & Thermopolye are another.

La Gloire as "Jolly Roger" (and Queen Anne's Revenge, too, IIRC)

IIRC, Tamiya did something similar with Hornet & Enterprise in 1/700 (and there are questions as to the width of the islands on Saratoga and Lexinton).

 

Which can mean a scale modeler is almost better off scratch building than building a kit.
Sometimes
Maybe
Perhaps

Every variant of Sherman is available as a kit, or as modifications for a kit.  Neary every Panzerkampfwagen is in a kit, including ones that were only on paper.  But, an accurate President, or Niagra, even Essex?  Might as well shout at the clouds.

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 4:20 AM

You could visit the "Marketplace" of Shapeways. Look there for cannons. Then contact those who created these 3D models, if they would design those cannons that you need. Show them photos and give them meeasurements (dimensions). People there did often 3D models for my own needs. If the 3D model of a cannon that you need is finally in the marketplace, buy a 3D print.

I did similar things for my model ship, and made very good experiences.

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