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Gunze Sangyo 1/350 Lusitania

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Posted by ChrisSC on Tuesday, April 21, 2020 3:03 PM
Three down and one to go. Very time consuming working with tiny files in tight places. Then come the railings on the hull which I am a little worried about removing. This kit is old and probably brittle, and there is quite a good length of railing on the hull.

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Posted by djrost_2000 on Tuesday, April 21, 2020 3:06 PM

Looks like a nice kit!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, April 22, 2020 7:53 AM

djrost_2000

Looks like a nice kit!

 

Thanks. Yes it's in as new condition. So far the parts appear to be mich nicer in quality than the Minicraft Titanic I just completed.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:05 PM
I removed one bow railing on the hull. I had to do it by hand. With the smaller pieces I did yesterday I was able to place them down flat on the bench and use my Foredom tool to remove some material and then finish it off by hand. With the whole half hull the railing sits off the bench in midair and doesn't have enough rigidity and support to use the tool. It's too risky as the whole piece jumps around too much even at low RPM. One slip would gouge a chunk out of the plastic. So I'll just have to take my time and remove the rest by sanding and filing.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, April 24, 2020 9:25 PM
All the plastic railings are removed. It was a lot of filing and sanding. So far I'm really impressed by the quality of this model kit. Everything seems straight and clean. The Minicraft Titanic I recently built was a total horror show quality wise compared to this one. I think I'm going to enjoy building this one a lot more as I hopefully won't be wrestling with all the warped junk like I did on the Titanic.

I cut and routed a piece of Mahogany for the display base. I just have to give it a few more coats of Polyurethane.

I also bought a color laser printer and some decal paper and printed up some decals. I was pleasantly surprised how nice they came out. Now I just have to figure out how to apply them correctly. I made a lot of spares for this Lusitania so now I can afford to mess up a few. I guess I'll have to shoot the hull in gloss to apply them and then put a coat or two of flat clear over it. I learned from my mistake on the last one not to paint it dull until the decals are on. I am also going to mess around with panel line accent and see what that's all about.

I got a hold of some stencils, tracing paper, hole punches, and a 24x12 piece of uncut Scaledeck.. I am going to try and make wood decks for it. I am not really holding out much hope for that though. There are a lot of tiny details molded onto the decks that I don't think I can cleanly cut out. It's worth a try though.
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Posted by Rick Sr on Friday, April 24, 2020 10:08 PM

Chris, drill out the port holes and fill with model masters clear glue and window maker. It takes time but makes a world of difference. Do that before p[ainting the hull.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, April 24, 2020 10:59 PM

Looking good. I like to build on a construction base and switch to the final one when I get to deck level.

I have a collection of them. The feature I like is a upturned piece at one end. It really helps because it allows the ship to be layed on it's side on the bench.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by surfsup on Friday, April 24, 2020 11:33 PM

Watching this one with interest. If I am correct the Kit was originally done by Entex in the mid 70's.  Gunze got the Moulds and re popped it in the mid 80's.....Cheers mark

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, April 25, 2020 9:38 AM

Thanks. Lots of good ideas from you all. It's all very helpful to me! 

As far as Entex is concerned, I had bought an old used Entex Titanic for spare parts and the quality of its parts was much better than the Minicraft version. I don't know much about all the history of these kits but I know a lot of people on other more Titanic oriented forums rave about how great the updated Minicraft Titanic is. That's why I bought it. I found it to be horrible, bordering on junk parts. I can't emphasize that enough! It almost turned me off to the idea of getting into this hobby. I'm glad they all don't appear to be like that. I don't know how hard it is to scratch build stuff but it almost seems like it would be easier to start from scratch than try to fix all the mess on that kit. This one is lots better.

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Saturday, April 25, 2020 9:49 AM

Oh My !

 You are a very lucky person. In all the years I have looked for her specifically, most shops or sites said they didn't know if one existed. And 1/350 at that? Good luck and I will be watching this build.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, April 25, 2020 1:24 PM

Tanker-Builder

Oh My !

 You are a very lucky person. In all the years I have looked for her specifically, most shops or sites said they didn't know if one existed. And 1/350 at that? Good luck and I will be watching this build.

 

Thanks, it is really hard to come by.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Sunday, April 26, 2020 9:15 AM
I assembled the two piece hull, propeller shaft housings, rudder, and bilge keels. There are a few male and female connection points on the hull which I put modeling glue into the holes and let them get tacky. This left gaps along the length of the hulls division which I tacked with CA glue until the two halves were flush. I then ran a bead of modeling glue along the hulls interior length. After it was all dry I painted on a large bead of epoxy so after all that I think the two halves should be solid.
There was a hole not molded for one of the bilge keels. I found this out when I tried to affix them. It was quite a tricky hole to drill as it has to be drilled on a rounded surface but yet be parallel with the keel. I couldn’t use a starter punch on this delicate plastic so I used the smallest bit I have on my pin vise to just do basically the same thing. As I worked up in bit size I gradually sent the bits in parallel. It came out fine.
I tried and failed at my attempt to use putty. I initially used Tamiya putty on the seem on the bottom of the hull. I could tell immediately it was not what I would be using on the other area I needed to do, the propeller shaft housings. The Tamiya cures fast, doesn’t spread easily for me, and dries like a rock.
I see models with the shaft housings blended in nicely. I tried this and wound up just making a giant mess. I was able to fill in the small gaps between the housings and the hull but there would be no feathering the housings in. It’s like bondo on a car, some people are good at feathering and some are not. I’m not. Aside from making a mess, the hull panel lines run right up to these housings and when I began sanding away the putty I could see that I was going to take away the hull accents with it. I chickened out and removed the water based putty with some wet Q Tips. It’s a confined space that requires more talent than I have. I’ll have to be happy with just having filled the spaces I did. I’m capable of filling seems but I can’t feather and blend in large objects.
I also finished sanding, steel wooling, and coating the display base. That kept me busy for a good part of the day.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Sunday, April 26, 2020 1:27 PM

Primed with Tamiya Fine Surface Primer.

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, April 26, 2020 3:14 PM

Hey!

 I hear ya on the Tamiya Putty! I prefer using Automotive Glazing Putty ( the large tube) in red. All you have to do is dip your finger in a little lacquer thinner or just moisten it with saliva and it spreads and blends well ! This does require more than one application, but this will work for you.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:53 PM

Tanker-Builder

Hey!

 I hear ya on the Tamiya Putty! I prefer using Automotive Glazing Putty ( the large tube) in red. All you have to do is dip your finger in a little lacquer thinner or just moisten it with saliva and it spreads and blends well ! This does require more than one application, but this will work for you.

 

Thanks for the tip. I have had experience with red auto putty in the past. I did bodywork on some of my cars/trucks years ago…never liked doing it lol.
 
I ordered more supplies to try and give making wood decks for this Lusitania a go. I think I can get it done but time will tell. I’ll see how the first one turns out and then decide if I should continue. It will be very time consuming. I bought a load of stencils, chipboard, graph paper etc. I also bought a BUNCH of X-acto blades!!
 
I figure on making drawings I can scan into my computer in the actual scale of what I’m trying to cut. I can make a base drawing that I can always go back to. I’m going to try and update the drawing as I progress but always keep the latest mistake free drawing to fall back on. Once I get it the way I want it I’ll print out the drawing and then transfer it to and cut it into thin chipboard. Hopefully I can use that template for fine tuning sort of like dry fitting the actual pre made decks. If I can get the template to fit nicely I’ll cut the wood decking from a tracing of the template. A lot of the cuts will be tiny so I don’t know if any of this will pan out but that’s my plan. The plan can change if it doesn’t seem to be working. I’ll know if it’s going to be something I’ll keep at if I can get the forecastle to look acceptable. If not. Then it’s painted decks lol!
 
I will be idling for awhile as I have to wait for the supplies to arrive. Then I’m sure I’ll be spending a lot of time drawing and other stuff that isn’t actually model building. That just goes to show how much I like the look of the wood decks to even attempt this kind of nutty project. I wish somebody made wood decks for this model but I don’t see that happening on an out of production kit. Hopefully it won’t be a huge waste of time.
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Posted by 1943Mike on Monday, April 27, 2020 8:31 PM

Chris,

I have the same kit and, I think, the same wood deck material. Your skills are several paygrades above mine so I'll be following along with great interest.

I'm sure you've done your research but, just in case you haven't seen these 20 pages:

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/29799143/building-the-lusitania-a-modelers-guide-titanic-research-and-

I think they're worth reading.

Here're my kit and wood deck material:

 I aslo have the Gold Medal Models PE for the kit. I've invested enough $ in this kit so that I really should build it LOL! Your build may push me toward that end.

 

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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Posted by ChrisSC on Monday, April 27, 2020 9:15 PM

1943Mike

Chris,

I have the same kit and, I think, the same wood deck material. Your skills are several paygrades above mine so I'll be following along with great interest.

I'm sure you've done your research but, just in case you haven't seen these 20 pages:

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/29799143/building-the-lusitania-a-modelers-guide-titanic-research-and-

I think they're worth reading.

Here're my kit and wood deck material:

 I aslo have the Gold Medal Models PE for the kit. I've invested enough $ in this kit so that I really should build it LOL! Your build may push me toward that end.

 

 

Hi Mike. It looks like you’re trying the same exact thing as me. I have the Gold Medal stuff for this kit too.  I’m using an uncut sheet of decking from Scaledecks. I wish someone would make a deck for this thing, it would save a lot of work and time,
 
I am about 80% done with one template for one deck lol. If I’m successful with this deck project it’s going to take a LONG time. Cutting the decks themselves from the template should be interesting since the point of the pencil takes up enough room to throw everything off. I’ll be at this for a while. Good luck with yours, let me know when you get started.
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Posted by ChrisSC on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 3:07 PM
The camera doesn’t lie. After looking at the photos of my template I could see I over cut one spot. I added some material to that area. I will have to clean up all the edges when I actually cut the wood decks. I figure since this deck is a mirror image I will draw the lines on the underside of the wood so I won’t have pencil marks to deal with.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 10:14 PM
Well the template really isn't accurate enough to use for cutting. I am now just cutting the deck by measuring the location of each individual cut from points on the plastic itself. It takes forever. This is as far as I got after a few hours. I'm trying not to make a mistake because then I have to start all over. Just painting the decks is looking better and better all the time. I'm not giving up yet though.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Tuesday, April 28, 2020 11:54 PM

Do you own a scanner?  If you have a scanner you can scan the part, print it to the exact scale, then make a very accurate template for the decking.  Since most deck parts are relatively flat, you should be able to get a decent scan.  I used to do that with pinball plastics when making new decals. 

If you don't own a scanner, then forget everything I just said!

Bob

 

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Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:46 AM

Luvspinball

Do you own a scanner?  If you have a scanner you can scan the part, print it to the exact scale, then make a very accurate template for the decking.  Since most deck parts are relatively flat, you should be able to get a decent scan.  I used to do that with pinball plastics when making new decals. 

If you don't own a scanner, then forget everything I just said!

Bob

 

 

Thanks Bob. Yes I tried the scanning of the part early on. The issue I had wasn't so much with the scanning but the printing. The printer only prints in black and you couldn't make anything out other than the general shape of the part. I just bought a color printer for decals maybe I'll give that one a try and see if I get better results.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, April 29, 2020 1:01 PM

I have one cut. I just need to drill out the holes from the bottom once it's glued down. It's very difficult to do. There are some areas that are over cut, not rounded and such but I don't have a laser to cut them with! I think if I put some similar color to what the wood is underneath in the areas that are rough it may look OK from normal viewing distance. I have one little slice that I may add when gluing it down. I haven't made a final decision on if I'll proceed with the rest of them yet. It wears me out concentrating on this tiny stuff and one wrong move with the knife and it's trash.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:12 PM
I cut another deck. I believe this is the largest one. Made some errors, one big one, but I covered it up the best I could. Once they are glued down I still have to address the rest of the holes and also a bunch of indentations that have to be removed along the sides.

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:43 AM
I have cutting the decks on hold for now as there is a rumor that Scaledecks may be producing a set. That would be a wish come true for me because I can't stand cutting them and they don't come out that good. I'll try to do some other stuff for a while and see if they actually make the decks available. I started to put some color on the hull.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, May 2, 2020 6:39 PM
I see the learning from my mistakes statement is being put into practice. I shot the hull in gloss black to enable me to affix the hull decals. I didn't know I had to do that on my first ship but I do now. I actually can't wait to cover it up with flat clear as I am not a fan of gloss black on anything.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Sunday, May 3, 2020 6:01 PM
Well I got my first experience with decals today. I think they came out pretty good for a first try. The only thing is I may have messed up the order of doing things again. I still need to paint the white stripe between the red and black of the hull. Of course this will require masking over the decals. I shot the whole hull with a couple of pretty heavy coats of acrylic flat clear, especially where the decals are.
 
 If anyone reads my posts and has any input on whether you think these decals will survive masking I would appreciate your input. I could probably get around the name on the side of the bow by putting paper over it and then the masking tape. The draft marks are another story, I have to mask right on them. I’m hoping having the clear over them will be ok since my paint doesn’t pull up when I mask things….at least that was my thinking.

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Monday, May 4, 2020 12:24 AM
I wound up putting paper under the tape where the decals are. Not the best stripe but it was pretty hard to mask. The decals survived though.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Monday, May 4, 2020 9:45 AM
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Posted by ChrisSC on Monday, May 4, 2020 4:54 PM
I'm trying to do other things that having wood decks doesn't interfere with as I wait to see if Scaledecks produces a Lusitania deck. The last thing I want to do is cut all those decks and then have beautiful pre made ones come out a month after I glue mine down

So I'm going to mess with some painting. I know it takes longer, costs more money in paint and tape, but I just prefer the look of a sprayed on finish as opposed to a brush. Personal preference.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Monday, May 4, 2020 9:14 PM
I guess I'm wasting a lot of time masking since I will be putting wood decks on. My thought is it can't hurt because even the pre cut wood decks always have a little space around the objects they are cut to fit. The plastic is pretty close in color to the wood decks so I figure the plastic color will hide any space better than black.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 6, 2020 1:27 PM
More masking and painting on the Lusitania. There are a bunch of these skylights to do. So far I've done one!!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:04 PM

On this one I tried to make the frames a darker gloss brown. I think it looks good. I'm going to do the rest of the skylights that have frames this way.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, May 8, 2020 8:00 AM
I was trying to figure out how to paint the thin window frames on the white skylights without brushing them as I know they would look inconsistent and I would probably get paint on the clear if I brushed. I took the back side of a 3M sanding sponge and brushed it with white paint and then lightly dragged it over the raised detail of the frames. It took several times from different directions to cover them all but it worked out pretty well. The 3M sponge is halfway between rigid and flexible if that makes sense and seemed like the best thing to use. Then I just masked everything up and sprayed the rest. When you are not good with a brush and not very experienced with one I guess you have to come up with an alternative plan. I think the sponge sucked in enough paint also to not glob it onto the clear part. I also found out the clear parts do not like to take primer or paint very well. I'm learning new ways to do this all the time.

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, May 8, 2020 8:46 AM

Well, Excuuse Me!

       Who have you been talking to? Yourself? Because self is dead wrong! Why do I say that? Think for a minute. You've overcome every hurdle that you met so far. So you keep on building and doing a fine job. Don't listen to self, he don't know what you do ! Just keep going and show us this beautimus model you are doing. Put self in the closet if he can't be supportive, Okay?

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, May 8, 2020 9:54 AM

Tanker-Builder

Well, Excuuse Me!

       Who have you been talking to? Yourself? Because self is dead wrong! Why do I say that? Think for a minute. You've overcome every hurdle that you met so far. So you keep on building and doing a fine job. Don't listen to self, he don't know what you do ! Just keep going and show us this beautimus model you are doing. Put self in the closet if he can't be supportive, Okay?

 

 

Talking to myself is happening more and more as it's just me and the dog here lol! The more I do the more I am figuring out how to get around things I'm not good at. I can see with this hobby that doing is the key. Once you do something you haven't done before that lets you figure it out for the next time. I enjoy learning ways to do stuff and then putting it into practice. Yes there are mistakes along the way but that's fine. I'm really enjoying doing the model building and that's I guess what it's all about! Sometimes you just discover something you really enjoy and actually to my surprise I found I enjoy doing this. Much better than watching TV all day while staying at home during our current crisis. Tanker-Builder, thanks for the encouragement!

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Posted by Mrchntmarine on Friday, May 8, 2020 4:23 PM

Hey Chris question - I have a 1/350 USS Alaska and saw that scaledecks does one for that ship too.  How do you finish it and attach it ?  Ive never done it so curious.  Might be nice to have one, but then again im guessing the USS Alaska wasnt a wood decked ship?  Tks MM

Keep on modeling!

All the best,

William

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, May 8, 2020 4:51 PM

The scaledecks kit I found online is prefinished in camouflage over wood. It certainly looks attractive enough, if it's accurate. The other choice would be her 1945 camouflage; Measure 22 which would be solid deck blue over wood.

I do not think that theres adhesive on the back of the deck, other scaledecks do not. You'd best read some reviews of what worked for other people.

My one piece of advice is to test fit and trim a lot. Don't ever expect the glue to make it stay flat. It should fit and lay flat on it's own.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, May 8, 2020 5:28 PM

Mrchntmarine

Hey Chris question - I have a 1/350 USS Alaska and saw that scaledecks does one for that ship too.  How do you finish it and attach it ?  Ive never done it so curious.  Might be nice to have one, but then again im guessing the USS Alaska wasnt a wood decked ship?  Tks MM

 

Hi Mrchntmarine. I would highly recommend the Scaledecks if you are looking to buy a wood deck. I don’t know much about the other manufacturers but I believe most come with an adhesive already on them that you peel off a protective film and apply to the plastic deck. The Scaledecks do not come with adhesive which I think is a huge plus, at least for me. You can choose what adhesive you want to use with the Scaledecks. I have a Pontos deck that came with a detail kit for a 1/200 Titanic and I’m not going to use it but instead buy a Scaledeck for the model.
 
Basically they come on a big sheet with all the separate sections precut by a laser. There are a few wood tabs that the laser leaves uncut to keep the whole sheet together. You just have to cut these tiny tabs with a blade and the section you want to use comes free from the sheet.
 
You then just dry fit them and usually do some very slight trimming here and there to get them to fit perfectly. They are very close to being drop on and glue depending on how complicated the deck is. The backing is kind of a fuzzy material that I think helps with their adhesion as the glue gets a good hold of it. They sit under the bulkheads and most other things on the model which keeps a clean look and I assume probably helps in keeping them from coming up.
 
It probably helps to sand off any raised plastic deck detail before gluing them down. I take a paint brush and paint the glue on the plastic deck and then drop on the Scaledeck and use a bunch of small clamps to hold it until the glue sets.
 
They are susceptible to staining if they get wet so you could spray a few light coats of clear on them prior to working with them. I would not put it on heavy as the decks are actually printed with ink and a heavy wet coat of clear I think will cause issues. Just a few mist coats.
 
I like the fact that you have time to adjust and move them around as opposed to the other brands that stick as soon as they contact the plastic. That is stressful to me. I understand there are ways around that by putting water down first or other methods but I really would rather not have to go there.
I put them on my first model which I linked to here.
 
There are a bunch of photos of them being clamped down so feel free to look if you like.
I hope this answered some of your questions. If I can help answer anything else about them please let me know.
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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:08 AM

MM by the way I used a white glue called Gators Grip. So far that has worked well. I can't speak of longevity as far as how long the decks will stay down without lifting as it's only been a couple of months since I installed them, but so far so good. The other issue that may pop up is the tolerance stacking of adding several decks. Even though they are very thin, on a ship like an ocean liner with many decks over each other the thickness of the wood decks may add up and throw off any tight fitting pieces that have to be attached from the side of a model. That is the disadvantage of the deck sitting under the bulkheads. A warship may not have these problems but ocean liners with their many decks of wood sometimes might.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, May 15, 2020 12:58 PM

I'm waiting a couple of weeks to see if the wood decks come through. Without having them there's not much I can do. Just a little painting and mounting the model to the stand.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, May 16, 2020 8:48 PM
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. For the windows I ordered a bunch of 1/350 Titanic window PE sets and am going to use what is closest to the shape of the windows on the Lusitania. I know it won't be accurate but I think it will definitely look neater than my painting them. Since I am waiting to see if the wood decks are produced I have the time to do all this masking.

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Posted by Silly_me on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:00 PM

How have I not known of the existence of this kit before?  I love this ship and have pined for a 1/350 scale.

 

Yours is looking great, not sure I have the patience/talent to make my own wood decks, bravo!

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:06 PM

ChrisSC
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. 

Very nice work. Yep, ships do get tedious at times.

Another way to do this kind of thing is to cut out decals, if you can find the right color. Or print your own.

Fun to watch!

 

Bill

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Posted by ChrisSC on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:24 PM

Silly_me

How have I not known of the existence of this kit before?  I love this ship and have pined for a 1/350 scale.

 

Yours is looking great, not sure I have the patience/talent to make my own wood decks, bravo!

 

Thanks Silly_me. Yes it's a hard to find kit but they do pop up on ebay now and then. There is actually one on there now from The UK. It's a pretty nice kit so far. The parts are a lot cleaner than my last model. I have the wood decks on hold since there is a rumor that Scaledecks may come out with a precut kit in the near future. I'll do what I can until and if that becomes available, if not I'll continue with cutting my own.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:32 PM

GMorrison

 

 
ChrisSC
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. 

 

 

Very nice work. Yep, ships do get tedious at times.

 

Another way to do this kind of thing is to cut out decals, if you can find the right color. Or print your own.

Fun to watch!

 

Bill

 

Thanks Bill. I actually bought a color laser printer to make decals with. I have a file for Lusitania windows and I printed it up....came out pretty good. I think I am going to use photo etch windows from the Titanic kit for the Lusitania windows though, but having the ability to make decals is kind of cool. I'm sure I will use it in the future. 

I bought the same model printer Micromark sells with their decal kit so I figure at least if they are using it for decals it should work well. I printed the first few on clear decal paper from Amazon but since have bought some of Micromarks decal paper. My thinking is if I buy what Micromark has proven to work I should get  decent results.

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Posted by surfsup on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 3:09 AM

Am really enjoying the work you have done so far. Coming along very nicely indeed.....Cheers mark

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Posted by 1943Mike on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:43 AM

Chris,

One minute ago (8:39 am, Wednesday, May 20, 2020) I spoke to John, the owner of Scaledecks. He said the wood decks for the Lusitania will be coming out in June. He just bought the model a few weeks ago and, as soon as he wraps up working on the Titanic, he'll be producing it.

I'll be buying the decks as soon as they're available.

Mike

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:44 AM

That's impressive considering the kit is OOP. Maybe he knows something...

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:48 AM

ChrisSC

 

 
GMorrison

 

 
ChrisSC
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. 

 

 

Very nice work. Yep, ships do get tedious at times.

 

Another way to do this kind of thing is to cut out decals, if you can find the right color. Or print your own.

Fun to watch!

 

Bill

 

 

 

Thanks Bill. I actually bought a color laser printer to make decals with. I have a file for Lusitania windows and I printed it up....came out pretty good. I think I am going to use photo etch windows from the Titanic kit for the Lusitania windows though, but having the ability to make decals is kind of cool. I'm sure I will use it in the future. 

 

I bought the same model printer Micromark sells with their decal kit so I figure at least if they are using it for decals it should work well. I printed the first few on clear decal paper from Amazon but since have bought some of Micromarks decal paper. My thinking is if I buy what Micromark has proven to work I should get  decent results.

 

Hard to say about their printer, but give a report. I use that paper, both clear and white for inkjet. Having tried a number, including Testor's; I like the MM stuff best.

Another thing to think about for small one-offs; I'll dig through the decal graveyard and find something like red Bomber Command numerals and cut those up.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:44 PM

surfsup

Am really enjoying the work you have done so far. Coming along very nicely indeed.....Cheers mark

 

Thanks Mark, I'm getting there little by little.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:53 PM

1943Mike

Chris,

One minute ago (8:39 am, Wednesday, May 20, 2020) I spoke to John, the owner of Scaledecks. He said the wood decks for the Lusitania will be coming out in June. He just bought the model a few weeks ago and, as soon as he wraps up working on the Titanic, he'll be producing it.

I'll be buying the decks as soon as they're available.

 

Yup 1943Mike, that's what I'm waiting on. I am trying to do other things until the decks come out. I cut some of my own but it's tedious work and will never look as good as laser cut decks from Scaledecks. I can't wait to get them.
The only thing I am debating about is whether to cut them around as opposed to leaving the decks under walls on the lower decks. I checked the dryfit of the side slot where the decks would fit and it's really tight. I ran into the same issue on my Titanic. Even though the wood decks are thin it's like a tolerance stacking issue as you add decks. The top decks won't be an issue but the decks on the bottom I may have to sit plastic on plastic to avoid fitment trouble as I add decks.
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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:56 PM

GMorrison

 

 
ChrisSC

 

 
GMorrison

 

 
ChrisSC
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. 

 

 

Very nice work. Yep, ships do get tedious at times.

 

Another way to do this kind of thing is to cut out decals, if you can find the right color. Or print your own.

Fun to watch!

 

Bill

 

 

 

Thanks Bill. I actually bought a color laser printer to make decals with. I have a file for Lusitania windows and I printed it up....came out pretty good. I think I am going to use photo etch windows from the Titanic kit for the Lusitania windows though, but having the ability to make decals is kind of cool. I'm sure I will use it in the future. 

 

I bought the same model printer Micromark sells with their decal kit so I figure at least if they are using it for decals it should work well. I printed the first few on clear decal paper from Amazon but since have bought some of Micromarks decal paper. My thinking is if I buy what Micromark has proven to work I should get  decent results.

 

 

 

Hard to say about their printer, but give a report. I use that paper, both clear and white for inkjet. Having tried a number, including Testor's; I like the MM stuff best.

 

Another thing to think about for small one-offs; I'll dig through the decal graveyard and find something like red Bomber Command numerals and cut those up.

 

Bill I tested out the printer with clear decal paper from Amazon and it worked well. I have yet to try the Micromark paper. The printer is an HP model that really doesn't have anything to do with MM, but it's one they sell with their decal making kit.

I would really like to do some custom photo etch. They sell a kit but the whole process looks kinf of complicated.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:58 PM

I've never tried PE but I have mostly heard negatives from folks who try.

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 8:07 PM

Bill, these are the decals I printed on the paper from Amazon. Hard to tell from a photo but they don't look too bad. I will have to try the better paper and do some adjustments.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:42 PM

GMorrison

I've never tried PE but I have mostly heard negatives from folks who try.

 Bill

 

 
I have the micromark photoetch kit, and it actually works very well.  You have to be very exact and follow the directions, but for 2-dimensional objects, like railings and doors, it works very well.  I use it to make hooks and the hammock rails for the Constitution.  Only drawback is the size of the dip tank.  That is your limitation.
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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:17 AM

Luvspinball

 

 
GMorrison

I've never tried PE but I have mostly heard negatives from folks who try.

 Bill

 

 

 
I have the micromark photoetch kit, and it actually works very well.  You have to be very exact and follow the directions, but for 2-dimensional objects, like railings and doors, it works very well.  I use it to make hooks and the hammock rails for the Constitution.  Only drawback is the size of the dip tank.  That is your limitation.
Bob
 
 

Thanks Bob. I need to make square window frames and a bunch of grating, I would be interested in it but on their site the download instructions link doesn't work. I have no idea if I have to learn to develope film like a photographer to use it, or how to input the drawings. Maybe I'll email them and see if they can provide insructions prior to purchase. I would also need to buy another printer, inkjet. I just bought a laser for decals...getting expensive.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, May 23, 2020 2:47 PM
I'm modifying some PE Titanic window frames for my Lusitania. Not correct but a lot neater than I could brush paint the plastic frames.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:37 PM

I had the same problem with the instructions.  I have a PDF of the them.  PM me and I can send them to you.  Reads like a cook book.  Hardest part is getting the two sides aligned.  Works with inkjet printers only, I believe.

Bob

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Sunday, May 24, 2020 7:58 AM

Luvspinball

I had the same problem with the instructions.  I have a PDF of the them.  PM me and I can send them to you.  Reads like a cook book.  Hardest part is getting the two sides aligned.  Works with inkjet printers only, I believe.

Bob

 

 

Thanks Bob. They sent me the instructions but thank you for the offer. I think I have abandoned the idea for now.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, May 30, 2020 7:25 PM
Masked, painted, and unmasked the funnels. Wow, it took quite some time to do. Unmasking took almost as much time in trying not to scratch the paint with the tweezers!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, June 4, 2020 8:14 PM

Lifeboats are almost done.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:00 PM

ChrisSC
Masked, painted, and unmasked the funnels. Wow, it took quite some time to do. Unmasking took almost as much time in trying not to scratch the paint with the tweezers!

Very often the masking and unmasking takes longer than the painting! Almost makes you just want to use a brush. Big Smile

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Posted by potchip on Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:16 PM

I got the Gmark(green mark?) boxed version of this kit from a Japanese 2nd hand shop. From what I can gleam from the internet is the original boxing/manufacturer, then passed to entex/gunze/anmark/revell.  The more ubiquitous minicraft 1/350 Titanic was also origianlly tooled by Gmark back in the 70's. 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, June 5, 2020 6:30 AM

Luvspinball

 

 
ChrisSC
Masked, painted, and unmasked the funnels. Wow, it took quite some time to do. Unmasking took almost as much time in trying not to scratch the paint with the tweezers!

 

 

Very often the masking and unmasking takes longer than the painting! Almost makes you just want to use a brush. Big Smile

Bob

 

Yes for sure. The steam pipes are supposed to be another color but I'm leaving them alone. I want no part of touching those funnels again except for the two ladders.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, June 5, 2020 6:33 AM

potchip

I got the Gmark(green mark?) boxed version of this kit from a Japanese 2nd hand shop. From what I can gleam from the internet is the original boxing/manufacturer, then passed to entex/gunze/anmark/revell.  The more ubiquitous minicraft 1/350 Titanic was also origianlly tooled by Gmark back in the 70's. 

 

Yest the Minicraft has been passed around quite a bit. I found the Entex version which is older had much cleaner parts than the Minicraft. I bought a used Entex for spare parts.

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, July 10, 2020 4:47 PM
Well May 13th I was told I would have the decks for my Lusitania by Memorial Day. As that passed I was told another 2 weeks. This went on and on until the manufacturer disappeared off of forums and stopped answering enquiries at all on June 17th. I did all I possibly could on the model, painted everything, did all the photo etc. I have finally given up and bought a bunch of plastic bags, separated and numbered all the parts and just packed the whole project up.
The issue is I have meticulously painted a lot of parts expecting drop on wood decks. If I have to cut my own most of that paint work will be messed up as making your own decks requires taking the pieces you are cutting on and off many, many times which will scratch it all up.
The whole affair was just a huge waste of time. Now that I have realized what the situation actually is I bought a bunch of other kits, a few smaller than I really care for in scale but that’s all that is available. Maybe some day the manufacturer will produce them and I can finish this model which I was so enthused about building, so I will put it out of my mind and work on other things. If they are never produced I will have to cut them myself and just repaint everything.
My Mom is 84 and in poor health, I am her sole caregiver so I have basically been staying away from outside activity as much as possible, especially since my state is one of those that the virus is going through the roof. That being said, wasting almost 2 months when I would really have enjoyed having something to keep me busy instead of looking at it all apart all over my table has been a huge disappointment.
I just bought these and a Queen Mary 2 1/400. So that’s all for the foreseeable future on my 1/350 Lusitania. When the day comes that I continue building it I will add to this thread. Thanks for any interest, Chris.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, July 10, 2020 9:12 PM

Instead of using the wood to test fit, I used a paper template first.  You can easily trim this as needed until you get a perfect fit with little to no chance of harming any other surfaces.  Once you are satisfied with the fit, I transfered (traced the outline) to a hard stock.  An old shirt box will do fine as well.  Cut out and test fit once more.  When satisfied of the fit, transfer to the wood deck.  As long as the wood deck is the same or smaller than your paper/cardboard templates, you should have no problems.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:52 AM

Luvspinball

Instead of using the wood to test fit, I used a paper template first.  You can easily trim this as needed until you get a perfect fit with little to no chance of harming any other surfaces.  Once you are satisfied with the fit, I transfered (traced the outline) to a hard stock.  An old shirt box will do fine as well.  Cut out and test fit once more.  When satisfied of the fit, transfer to the wood deck.  As long as the wood deck is the same or smaller than your paper/cardboard templates, you should have no problems.

Bob

 

 

Thanks Bob. That's what I was originally doing, making templates then transferring them over to wood. The issue is the templates still have to go on and off many times. I had to use cardstock as thin paper would bend and throw off the measurement. 

 
Take the deck on the right for example. To have all those details line up perfectly I would need to have either the template or the deck on and off a bunch of times. Plus that's an older picture, there is more paint detail on that deck right now. 
It depends on the particular deck some are simple and not that much cutting is necessary. A deck like this is an issue.
 
The round vents actually taper so the hole at the bottom needs to be slightly larger. They will all need repainting. As I had mentioned there is a lot more detailed paint than is in this older photo. the inside of the vents are red now. Remasking this tiny stuff is a chore also.
 
The beginning of this thead shows my approach of cutting them myself.

 

I never would have painted all the parts first if not told the decks comming were imminent. Live and learn.

Chris

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 11, 2020 9:19 AM

Hi Chris. I've been following the build and I hope you decide to finish it.

Your families health of course comes above all else, so focus on that.

But as my oncologist told me a while back, man needs a hobby. It's our chance to unwind the reel a little.

I think you understand the process you have developed well enough now to control the outcome.

Bob is right too. It will come out fine. Do your best, it will be the nicest Lusitania we've seen.

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, July 11, 2020 5:45 PM

GMorrison

Hi Chris. I've been following the build and I hope you decide to finish it.

Your families health of course comes above all else, so focus on that.

But as my oncologist told me a while back, man needs a hobby. It's our chance to unwind the reel a little.

I think you understand the process you have developed well enough now to control the outcome.

Bob is right too. It will come out fine. Do your best, it will be the nicest Lusitania we've seen.

 

Bill

 

Thanks Bill. I'll finish it someday. I figure I will mess around with some of these smaller scale ships and maybe he will make the decks. I am too naive, I have to stop believing what people tell me about their products as per this situation and the situation we discissed in a private messages a few weeks ago.

A few of these models I just bought are 1/600 scale, wow they are smaller than I thought. I don't know how people can do something like a 1/1200 ship....I couldn't even think about trying that. I have enough trouble seeing the parts on a 1/350 lol!

I'm going to start on this Airfix 1/600 Queen Elizabeth. I bought some photo etch for it.

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Posted by designck on Sunday, August 2, 2020 12:09 PM
Were you going to be using the same tan wood for those mahogany colored decks? I am not as adventurous as you with the wood for the decks, but I did buy the PE sets for this and the Titanic, along with some 1:350 people to populate the ship (what the hell was I thinking? LOL!). If I am not mistaken all those mahogany colored wood decks should be the tan color and the details on the deck remain mahogany, correct? The Assembly instructions in the GUNZE kit leave a LOT to be desired! I do have a fabulous book on teh Lusitania which will help with rigging etc, but no color photos obviously, so it's a guess for that...
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Posted by designck on Sunday, August 2, 2020 1:26 PM
You're so skilled at this I get nervous to do the same with mine, but I want to, since I have bought the PE kit, so hey... let's do it!
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Posted by designck on Sunday, August 2, 2020 1:29 PM
I don't even remember where I found mine, but I am glad I did... it's been on top of a closet for years and now in Covid-time, it's become the ideal time to do this...
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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, October 14, 2020 1:14 PM

designck
Were you going to be using the same tan wood for those mahogany colored decks? I am not as adventurous as you with the wood for the decks, but I did buy the PE sets for this and the Titanic, along with some 1:350 people to populate the ship (what the hell was I thinking? LOL!). If I am not mistaken all those mahogany colored wood decks should be the tan color and the details on the deck remain mahogany, correct? The Assembly instructions in the GUNZE kit leave a LOT to be desired! I do have a fabulous book on teh Lusitania which will help with rigging etc, but no color photos obviously, so it's a guess for that...
 

Hi designck, sorry I just saw this post as I don't get notifications and I had put this model on hold. Yes I think everything beside the deck stays mahogany for the most part. The instructions are a little vague lol.
If you really want to see an incredible job on this model check out this link to this guy Elang's Facebook post on his build. It's probably the most accurate and incredible job I've seen done on her. It's also a good reference to see what the colors should be. 
I am posting on this thread because I am really excited that I just got word that my wood decks are in the mail. I took the time while I was waiting to build a couple of 1/600 liners but I'm really happy about getting back to 1/350, and especially this ship.
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Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:06 AM

Chris,

Allow me to say "AMEN!" to Bill's post.  Take care of your family!.  Your model building skills will carry you through this build.

Bill

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:20 AM

I don't know what you do or did for a living:

       I was both a structural Engineer and Acrhitect. I collected a great many technical pans and pencils. I do stuff like decks with a wedge shaped technical pencil! The other thing that works real well is my.010 lining pencil. This is for drawing lines and arrows to various locations . Much like an instruction sheet for a model.

 

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Posted by Silly_me on Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:34 PM

I finally found one of these on ebay, all parts present but the instructions are missing, does anyone know if there is a PDF of them somewhere?  My Google-fu is failing me.

 

ChrisSC
I am posting on this thread because I am really excited that I just got word that my wood decks are in the mail.

 

That is great, where did you source them from?

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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:27 PM

Silly_me

I finally found one of these on ebay, all parts present but the instructions are missing, does anyone know if there is a PDF of them somewhere?  My Google-fu is failing me.

 

 

 
ChrisSC
I am posting on this thread because I am really excited that I just got word that my wood decks are in the mail.

 

 

 

That is great, where did you source them from?

 

Thanks guys. 

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Posted by Silly_me on Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:33 PM
Thanks much! I'm itching to get to work on her.
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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:47 PM

Tanker-Builder

I don't know what you do or did for a living:

       I was both a structural Engineer and Acrhitect. I collected a great many technical pans and pencils. I do stuff like decks with a wedge shaped technical pencil! The other thing that works real well is my.010 lining pencil. This is for drawing lines and arrows to various locations . Much like an instruction sheet for a model.

 

 

Thanks Tanker-Builder. It wasn't so much the drawing as the cutting that was a pain. It was also hard to actually get the correct position of a starting point as the surface isn't flat. If it were flat I could have traced it with something like tracing paper? I have no clue what I was doing not having done anything like that for a living. That's why I'm glad I don't have to do it now lol!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:53 PM

warshipguy

Chris,

Allow me to say "AMEN!" to Bill's post.  Take care of your family!.  Your model building skills will carry you through this build.

Bill

 

Thanks Bill. My Mom has been having issues but fingers crossed she is slowly getting better. I'm really excited about resuming this build, it was one of my favorite models when I first started looking to build. I like 1/350 scale so it's Lusitania or Titanic and that's about it in this scale for big liners. In handling them both the Lusitania parts are Much nicer than the Minicraft Titanic parts. It's just a better kit IMO.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, October 16, 2020 9:13 PM

I started gluing wood decks down on my 1/350 Lusitania.

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Posted by 1943Mike on Saturday, October 17, 2020 12:51 PM

Chris,

Just spoke to Scaledecks. He's finished the Lusitania (as I should have guessed based on a recent post of yours) and is working on the instructions. He said he should have it listed on Monday.

When I see them listed I'll be buying the set.

Mike

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Saturday, October 17, 2020 1:55 PM

Yeah,But !

 You are doing a bang up job anyway.That's regardless of my personal feelings about the wood deck products. It's not easy even if the decks are flat like some areas of capitol ships are! Keep it up. I am getting excited now!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, October 17, 2020 4:32 PM

Mike I like his decks for 1/350. I used them on my Titanic. That top deck on the Lusitania has a lot going on there, I couldn't have cut it myself.

Tanker-Builder, thanks. I like the scaledecks because they aren't peel and stick. You get to use your choice of glue. They do add a lot of work to the model though.

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Posted by Wilbur Wright on Sunday, October 18, 2020 8:00 PM

I built this exact kit in the 90's. Box is the same.  It's still on the shelf and looks good.

Bob Ballard had a great book out on this ship named "Exploring the Lusitania", as the wreck is easily accessible.

I would check it out see if it's still in print.

This is a great kit.  I also painted the funnels in Cunard Red-Orange.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Sunday, October 18, 2020 10:01 PM

Wilbur Wright

I built this exact kit in the 90's. Box is the same.  It's still on the shelf and looks good.

Bob Ballard had a great book out on this ship named "Exploring the Lusitania", as the wreck is easily accessible.

I would check it out see if it's still in print.

This is a great kit.  I also painted the funnels in Cunard Red-Orange.

 

Wilbur Wright I agree, it is a nice kit. I'n working on the lower decks. I'm not being too careful as you won't see them once the model is complete.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Monday, October 19, 2020 7:43 PM

Little by little she's starting to look like a Lusitania. I got a resin 1/350 Normandie, same scale as this Lusitania. It makes the Lusitania look tiny side by side. The Normandie was a huge ship!

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Posted by Model Monkey on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 8:14 AM

Brilliant.

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 10:09 AM

Yessir;

       The Normandie was a very large ship for the time. That's why she was in Process to become the U.S.S. Lafayette,( Troop Ship). I still think, No matter what the history says, she was sabotaged. Anyone with any sense would know that time of year, in that part of the country. Too much water fighting the fire would freeze making her top-Heavy.

      The result, the ice weight was to much and brought her over. I think if the Berth had been deeper she would've just turned Turtle!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:05 AM

Tanker-Builder

Yessir;

       The Normandie was a very large ship for the time. That's why she was in Process to become the U.S.S. Lafayette,( Troop Ship). I still think, No matter what the history says, she was sabotaged. Anyone with any sense would know that time of year, in that part of the country. Too much water fighting the fire would freeze making her top-Heavy.

      The result, the ice weight was to much and brought her over. I think if the Berth had been deeper she would've just turned Turtle!

 

Thanks Steve. Tanker-Builder I don't remember the specific facts but I believe the designer of the Normandie was on scene while she was burning and might have been able to stop the list of the ship by releasing the water being pumped in relatively easily. I think the Navy overruled his suggestions and the ship settled on its side. I don't know if that's fact but I do remember reading that in multiple places.
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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, October 22, 2020 6:09 PM

I fitted and glued down some more wood decking on my 1/350 Lusitania today.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, October 24, 2020 12:55 PM

Some progress on my Lusitania. That big deck is giving me lots of trouble to install as the hull is a bit warped. Just making things worse trying to fix it after it's glued. Best to just leave it be.

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Saturday, October 24, 2020 5:25 PM

ChriscSC;

    I have to add more to that. Although the Designer was on scene the Shipboard Pumps were inoperable due to no Steam Aboard. The Dock steam supply and pumping capacity was overwhelmed by the scope and speed of the fire.

    She was in what in the Navy was referred to as " Cold Iron " where steam plants were concerned.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Sunday, October 25, 2020 6:53 PM

Tanker-Builder

ChriscSC;

    I have to add more to that. Although the Designer was on scene the Shipboard Pumps were inoperable due to no Steam Aboard. The Dock steam supply and pumping capacity was overwhelmed by the scope and speed of the fire.

    She was in what in the Navy was referred to as " Cold Iron " where steam plants were concerned.

 

Whatever the situation actually was it sure was a shame. That was one beautiful ship.

 
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Posted by ChrisSC on Monday, October 26, 2020 1:50 PM

Adding some of the easier details to Lusitania. It's much more enjoyable than wrestling with gluing decks!

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Posted by Mrchntmarine on Monday, October 26, 2020 5:14 PM

Hey Chris - like all the details - tks for posting.  So, never having done a model as large as this, how long is that sucker?  Also, curious, as mentioned, when tying the rigging like that, how much extra do you leave?  Finally, do you stain the decks?  Tsk much and looking good.  Wm

Keep on modeling!

All the best,

William

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Posted by ChrisSC on Monday, October 26, 2020 5:46 PM

Mrchntmarine

Hey Chris - like all the details - tks for posting.  So, never having done a model as large as this, how long is that sucker?  Also, curious, as mentioned, when tying the rigging like that, how much extra do you leave?  Finally, do you stain the decks?  Tsk much and looking good.  Wm

 

Thanks Mrchntmarine. This model is about 27 inches in length. I leave a lot of extra length for the rigging than they recommend. I would rather have more that I can just cut off than struggle in tight quarters trying to tie something off. The funnels are another rigging issue as far as length is concerned. You have to pull the lines up from inside the funnel and if they're short it causes problems.
It's recommended that you spray the decks with a clear coat but I usually don't do it. These decks are actually printed with ink and if you give just a little too much of a coat the ink will run and look really bad. I just work without a net and try to be careful!!
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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, October 30, 2020 7:31 PM

Lusitania is getting some rear end work.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Saturday, October 31, 2020 9:07 PM

Looking fabulous.

My base looks almost exactly like yours!  Nice taste.  Great minds think alike?

Bob

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Posted by ChrisSC on Sunday, November 1, 2020 6:30 AM

Luvspinball

Looking fabulous.

My base looks almost exactly like yours!  Nice taste.  Great minds think alike?

Bob

 

Thanks Bob, I guess they do lol!

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, November 1, 2020 7:20 AM

Ya Know;

 Disregarding my earlier comment. I like the look those Decks give the ship! Artfully done!

 I didn't know about the break in the structure at that point and the two deck rise! Interesting!

 Note;

 Look at the rudder. That's one of the Design flaws that all the "ICS" Had. The Titanic was the worst though.

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, November 1, 2020 7:23 AM

Oh;

      For Sure! I do believe that design wise and the time frame she was even prettier than the S.S. United States! Can You imagine what she would've looked like with only two Stacks? Much sleeker for sure! The Normandie will never be surpassed in that regard!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Sunday, November 1, 2020 1:18 PM

Thanks Tanker-Builder. I think the Normandie was a fantastic ship.

Lusitania Funnels are up and rigged. The ventilator covers are also installed. The funnel caps are not glued yet, just stuck on there crooked. Two of the ventilator covers had to be skewed as the rigging was hitting them. The funnels also wouldn't sit straight on their platforms, they rocked side to side so I used a slower setting epoxy to give me some time to get them to sit straight. The covers were tedious and so was threading the funnel cables but I'm glad I now have at least some of those lines out of my way. It was becoming a tangled mess with EZ Line laying everywhere. That's it for today!!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Tuesday, November 10, 2020 7:23 PM
These precut railings are really giving me a hard time on this model. In hindsight I think I would have been better off using generic railings and cutting them myself as I usually do instead of trying to make all these fit.
The wood decks and some warped parts aren't helping the fit either. The front wheelhouse was the worst so far. Not my best job of getting this one together. You only get one of each so if you mess it up you have to live with it. I'm gonna live with it lol!
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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, November 12, 2020 7:08 PM

Some more progress on my Lusitania. Main mast, ratlines, some rigging, and more railings.....lots of railings!

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, November 13, 2020 9:26 AM

Hmmm;

     Looking at your work and the subject. WELL DONE. I do think the Lusitania was a far better looking vessel that the three "ICS". They had kind of a Brutish look to them. The Lusitania has a more civilized, people friendly look to her.

      That particular look, you have brought out very well. One thing that I always wondered about the marine Design engineers back then. Why didn't they know that those rudders on many of those ships were too small for the ship's massive size. The Rudders on the " Big Three" didn't even properly disturb the force from the inner Props. The outers, None at all.

       Sadly, although bigger, but inefficiently designed rudders were present they hadn't learned that lesson by the time of the Lusitania.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, November 13, 2020 8:20 PM

Thanks Tanker-Builder. Well the rudder on Titanic certainly didn't do it any favors! I put on the front mast, ratlines, and some rigging on. The end is in sight. I just have a few more railings, the cranes, anchors, props, and more rigging to go.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:05 PM

Today I added the wireless spreaders and lines, the docking bridge and stairs, and the bow railings.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Sunday, November 15, 2020 9:26 PM

I'm in the home stretch on my 1/350 Lusitania. I put together and installed the cranes, davits, and lifeboats. I need to add a few more things but expect to be finished tomorrow or the next day!

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Monday, November 16, 2020 7:09 AM

Well;

 You certainly have presented us with a Beautiful Lady of the Sea!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Monday, November 16, 2020 9:06 AM

Thank You Tanker-Builder. I just need to add the davit hardware, and a few more odds and ends and I'll call her complete.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Monday, November 16, 2020 8:33 PM

I'm calling 1/350 Lusitania done. That's as much as I feel like doing.

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Posted by knox on Monday, November 16, 2020 9:22 PM

Beautiful!  While I don’t have the talent or patience for something like this, I’m glad I know enough about modeling to really appreciate the skill and work that went into your ship.  

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, November 16, 2020 9:25 PM

Bow DownBow DownBow DownBow DownBow Down

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Monday, November 16, 2020 10:08 PM

Thanks so much Knox and GMorrison, much appreciated.

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:42 AM

Well Shucks! Ya Gonna stop now?

 That is Gorgemous. My Dolphins Splash for the job well Done. Been chased by them critters again! Your Ship is breathtaking. I can't say enough!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:59 AM

Tanker-Builder

Well Shucks! Ya Gonna stop now?

 That is Gorgemous. My Dolphins Splash for the job well Done. Been chased by them critters again! Your Ship is breathtaking. I can't say enough!

 

Thanks Tanker-Builder. There were a few afterthoughts I was thinking of adding but the rigging is kind of in the way of most things so I decided to leave well enough alone. I don’t feel like breaking anything at this point lol.
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Posted by Silly_me on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 5:41 PM

Such a great build Chris, I can only hope that mine comes out half as good.  

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Posted by ChrisSC on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 6:56 PM

Silly_me

Such a great build Chris, I can only hope that mine comes out half as good.  

 

Thanks Silly_me. Good luck with her! 

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Posted by Mrchntmarine on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 8:08 PM
Chris - been poking in and out here. It’s beautiful I think. Great work. But I know you must be a little relieved too. . I hope I can do that one day too! Wm.

Keep on modeling!

All the best,

William

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Posted by ChrisSC on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:41 PM

Mrchntmarine
Chris - been poking in and out here. It’s beautiful I think. Great work. But I know you must be a little relieved too. . I hope I can do that one day too! Wm.
 

Thank you Mrchntmarine. Yes I am relieved that I got her into the display case without breaking anything off lol!

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Wednesday, November 18, 2020 8:08 AM

ChrisSC;

 Well, now I think that's a view we all aspire to. I can only say Well Done, Captain,You have the bridge!

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Posted by DRUMS01 on Wednesday, November 18, 2020 8:51 AM

Stunning work and a beautiful display. Your attention to detail and fortitude to push past the challenges really allow this ship to stand out in any display setting, simply wonderful!

Thanks for sharing the build with the forum....

Ben

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LAST COMPLETED:

1/35 Churchill Mk IV AVRE with bridge - DONE

NEXT PROJECT:

1/35 CH-54A Tarhe Helicopter

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, November 18, 2020 6:04 PM

Thanks Tanker-Builder and Ben. I have found out that the display cases are much more expensive than the kits themselves! 

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Posted by 1943Mike on Friday, November 20, 2020 10:32 PM

Chris,

It's been a real pleasure to follow your build!

This thread is now saved as reference if I ever get around to building mine.

Super work! Bow Down

Mike

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:11 AM

1943Mike

Chris,

It's been a real pleasure to follow your build!

This thread is now saved as reference if I ever get around to building mine.

Super work! Bow Down

 

Thank you Mike!

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, November 23, 2020 10:28 AM

hi Chris,

I went through your entire build this morning and I am very impressed with your work. Such clean craftsmanship.  Very well done.

Scott

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Posted by ChrisSC on Monday, November 23, 2020 1:46 PM

scottrc

hi Chris,

I went through your entire build this morning and I am very impressed with your work. Such clean craftsmanship.  Very well done.

Scott

 

Thanks Scott!

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