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Posted by ChrisSC on Monday, May 4, 2020 9:14 PM
I guess I'm wasting a lot of time masking since I will be putting wood decks on. My thought is it can't hurt because even the pre cut wood decks always have a little space around the objects they are cut to fit. The plastic is pretty close in color to the wood decks so I figure the plastic color will hide any space better than black.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 6, 2020 1:27 PM
More masking and painting on the Lusitania. There are a bunch of these skylights to do. So far I've done one!!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 6, 2020 6:04 PM

On this one I tried to make the frames a darker gloss brown. I think it looks good. I'm going to do the rest of the skylights that have frames this way.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, May 8, 2020 8:00 AM
I was trying to figure out how to paint the thin window frames on the white skylights without brushing them as I know they would look inconsistent and I would probably get paint on the clear if I brushed. I took the back side of a 3M sanding sponge and brushed it with white paint and then lightly dragged it over the raised detail of the frames. It took several times from different directions to cover them all but it worked out pretty well. The 3M sponge is halfway between rigid and flexible if that makes sense and seemed like the best thing to use. Then I just masked everything up and sprayed the rest. When you are not good with a brush and not very experienced with one I guess you have to come up with an alternative plan. I think the sponge sucked in enough paint also to not glob it onto the clear part. I also found out the clear parts do not like to take primer or paint very well. I'm learning new ways to do this all the time.

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, May 8, 2020 8:46 AM

Well, Excuuse Me!

       Who have you been talking to? Yourself? Because self is dead wrong! Why do I say that? Think for a minute. You've overcome every hurdle that you met so far. So you keep on building and doing a fine job. Don't listen to self, he don't know what you do ! Just keep going and show us this beautimus model you are doing. Put self in the closet if he can't be supportive, Okay?

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, May 8, 2020 9:54 AM

Tanker-Builder

Well, Excuuse Me!

       Who have you been talking to? Yourself? Because self is dead wrong! Why do I say that? Think for a minute. You've overcome every hurdle that you met so far. So you keep on building and doing a fine job. Don't listen to self, he don't know what you do ! Just keep going and show us this beautimus model you are doing. Put self in the closet if he can't be supportive, Okay?

 

 

Talking to myself is happening more and more as it's just me and the dog here lol! The more I do the more I am figuring out how to get around things I'm not good at. I can see with this hobby that doing is the key. Once you do something you haven't done before that lets you figure it out for the next time. I enjoy learning ways to do stuff and then putting it into practice. Yes there are mistakes along the way but that's fine. I'm really enjoying doing the model building and that's I guess what it's all about! Sometimes you just discover something you really enjoy and actually to my surprise I found I enjoy doing this. Much better than watching TV all day while staying at home during our current crisis. Tanker-Builder, thanks for the encouragement!

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Posted by Mrchntmarine on Friday, May 8, 2020 4:23 PM

Hey Chris question - I have a 1/350 USS Alaska and saw that scaledecks does one for that ship too.  How do you finish it and attach it ?  Ive never done it so curious.  Might be nice to have one, but then again im guessing the USS Alaska wasnt a wood decked ship?  Tks MM

 

Keep on building!

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, May 8, 2020 4:51 PM

The scaledecks kit I found online is prefinished in camouflage over wood. It certainly looks attractive enough, if it's accurate. The other choice would be her 1945 camouflage; Measure 22 which would be solid deck blue over wood.

I do not think that theres adhesive on the back of the deck, other scaledecks do not. You'd best read some reviews of what worked for other people.

My one piece of advice is to test fit and trim a lot. Don't ever expect the glue to make it stay flat. It should fit and lay flat on it's own.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, May 8, 2020 5:28 PM

Mrchntmarine

Hey Chris question - I have a 1/350 USS Alaska and saw that scaledecks does one for that ship too.  How do you finish it and attach it ?  Ive never done it so curious.  Might be nice to have one, but then again im guessing the USS Alaska wasnt a wood decked ship?  Tks MM

 

Hi Mrchntmarine. I would highly recommend the Scaledecks if you are looking to buy a wood deck. I don’t know much about the other manufacturers but I believe most come with an adhesive already on them that you peel off a protective film and apply to the plastic deck. The Scaledecks do not come with adhesive which I think is a huge plus, at least for me. You can choose what adhesive you want to use with the Scaledecks. I have a Pontos deck that came with a detail kit for a 1/200 Titanic and I’m not going to use it but instead buy a Scaledeck for the model.
 
Basically they come on a big sheet with all the separate sections precut by a laser. There are a few wood tabs that the laser leaves uncut to keep the whole sheet together. You just have to cut these tiny tabs with a blade and the section you want to use comes free from the sheet.
 
You then just dry fit them and usually do some very slight trimming here and there to get them to fit perfectly. They are very close to being drop on and glue depending on how complicated the deck is. The backing is kind of a fuzzy material that I think helps with their adhesion as the glue gets a good hold of it. They sit under the bulkheads and most other things on the model which keeps a clean look and I assume probably helps in keeping them from coming up.
 
It probably helps to sand off any raised plastic deck detail before gluing them down. I take a paint brush and paint the glue on the plastic deck and then drop on the Scaledeck and use a bunch of small clamps to hold it until the glue sets.
 
They are susceptible to staining if they get wet so you could spray a few light coats of clear on them prior to working with them. I would not put it on heavy as the decks are actually printed with ink and a heavy wet coat of clear I think will cause issues. Just a few mist coats.
 
I like the fact that you have time to adjust and move them around as opposed to the other brands that stick as soon as they contact the plastic. That is stressful to me. I understand there are ways around that by putting water down first or other methods but I really would rather not have to go there.
I put them on my first model which I linked to here.
 
There are a bunch of photos of them being clamped down so feel free to look if you like.
I hope this answered some of your questions. If I can help answer anything else about them please let me know.
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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:08 AM

MM by the way I used a white glue called Gators Grip. So far that has worked well. I can't speak of longevity as far as how long the decks will stay down without lifting as it's only been a couple of months since I installed them, but so far so good. The other issue that may pop up is the tolerance stacking of adding several decks. Even though they are very thin, on a ship like an ocean liner with many decks over each other the thickness of the wood decks may add up and throw off any tight fitting pieces that have to be attached from the side of a model. That is the disadvantage of the deck sitting under the bulkheads. A warship may not have these problems but ocean liners with their many decks of wood sometimes might.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, May 15, 2020 12:58 PM

I'm waiting a couple of weeks to see if the wood decks come through. Without having them there's not much I can do. Just a little painting and mounting the model to the stand.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, May 16, 2020 8:48 PM
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. For the windows I ordered a bunch of 1/350 Titanic window PE sets and am going to use what is closest to the shape of the windows on the Lusitania. I know it won't be accurate but I think it will definitely look neater than my painting them. Since I am waiting to see if the wood decks are produced I have the time to do all this masking.

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Posted by Silly_me on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:00 PM

How have I not known of the existence of this kit before?  I love this ship and have pined for a 1/350 scale.

 

Yours is looking great, not sure I have the patience/talent to make my own wood decks, bravo!

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:06 PM

ChrisSC
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. 

Very nice work. Yep, ships do get tedious at times.

Another way to do this kind of thing is to cut out decals, if you can find the right color. Or print your own.

Fun to watch!

 

Bill

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Posted by ChrisSC on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:24 PM

Silly_me

How have I not known of the existence of this kit before?  I love this ship and have pined for a 1/350 scale.

 

Yours is looking great, not sure I have the patience/talent to make my own wood decks, bravo!

 

Thanks Silly_me. Yes it's a hard to find kit but they do pop up on ebay now and then. There is actually one on there now from The UK. It's a pretty nice kit so far. The parts are a lot cleaner than my last model. I have the wood decks on hold since there is a rumor that Scaledecks may come out with a precut kit in the near future. I'll do what I can until and if that becomes available, if not I'll continue with cutting my own.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:32 PM

GMorrison

 

 
ChrisSC
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. 

 

 

Very nice work. Yep, ships do get tedious at times.

 

Another way to do this kind of thing is to cut out decals, if you can find the right color. Or print your own.

Fun to watch!

 

Bill

 

Thanks Bill. I actually bought a color laser printer to make decals with. I have a file for Lusitania windows and I printed it up....came out pretty good. I think I am going to use photo etch windows from the Titanic kit for the Lusitania windows though, but having the ability to make decals is kind of cool. I'm sure I will use it in the future. 

I bought the same model printer Micromark sells with their decal kit so I figure at least if they are using it for decals it should work well. I printed the first few on clear decal paper from Amazon but since have bought some of Micromarks decal paper. My thinking is if I buy what Micromark has proven to work I should get  decent results.

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Posted by surfsup on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 3:09 AM

Am really enjoying the work you have done so far. Coming along very nicely indeed.....Cheers mark

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Posted by 1943Mike on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:43 AM

Chris,

One minute ago (8:39 am, Wednesday, May 20, 2020) I spoke to John, the owner of Scaledecks. He said the wood decks for the Lusitania will be coming out in June. He just bought the model a few weeks ago and, as soon as he wraps up working on the Titanic, he'll be producing it.

I'll be buying the decks as soon as they're available.

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:44 AM

That's impressive considering the kit is OOP. Maybe he knows something...

 

Bill

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:48 AM

ChrisSC

 

 
GMorrison

 

 
ChrisSC
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. 

 

 

Very nice work. Yep, ships do get tedious at times.

 

Another way to do this kind of thing is to cut out decals, if you can find the right color. Or print your own.

Fun to watch!

 

Bill

 

 

 

Thanks Bill. I actually bought a color laser printer to make decals with. I have a file for Lusitania windows and I printed it up....came out pretty good. I think I am going to use photo etch windows from the Titanic kit for the Lusitania windows though, but having the ability to make decals is kind of cool. I'm sure I will use it in the future. 

 

I bought the same model printer Micromark sells with their decal kit so I figure at least if they are using it for decals it should work well. I printed the first few on clear decal paper from Amazon but since have bought some of Micromarks decal paper. My thinking is if I buy what Micromark has proven to work I should get  decent results.

 

Hard to say about their printer, but give a report. I use that paper, both clear and white for inkjet. Having tried a number, including Testor's; I like the MM stuff best.

Another thing to think about for small one-offs; I'll dig through the decal graveyard and find something like red Bomber Command numerals and cut those up.

Modeling is an excuse to buy books

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:44 PM

surfsup

Am really enjoying the work you have done so far. Coming along very nicely indeed.....Cheers mark

 

Thanks Mark, I'm getting there little by little.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:53 PM

1943Mike

Chris,

One minute ago (8:39 am, Wednesday, May 20, 2020) I spoke to John, the owner of Scaledecks. He said the wood decks for the Lusitania will be coming out in June. He just bought the model a few weeks ago and, as soon as he wraps up working on the Titanic, he'll be producing it.

I'll be buying the decks as soon as they're available.

 

Yup 1943Mike, that's what I'm waiting on. I am trying to do other things until the decks come out. I cut some of my own but it's tedious work and will never look as good as laser cut decks from Scaledecks. I can't wait to get them.
The only thing I am debating about is whether to cut them around as opposed to leaving the decks under walls on the lower decks. I checked the dryfit of the side slot where the decks would fit and it's really tight. I ran into the same issue on my Titanic. Even though the wood decks are thin it's like a tolerance stacking issue as you add decks. The top decks won't be an issue but the decks on the bottom I may have to sit plastic on plastic to avoid fitment trouble as I add decks.
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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:56 PM

GMorrison

 

 
ChrisSC

 

 
GMorrison

 

 
ChrisSC
Since I know I stink at painting with a brush I am masking and spraying every door on this ship. I am about half of the way there. It's quite tedious masking these tiny doors! Even if I were good at it I do prefer the way sprayed paint looks over brushed. 

 

 

Very nice work. Yep, ships do get tedious at times.

 

Another way to do this kind of thing is to cut out decals, if you can find the right color. Or print your own.

Fun to watch!

 

Bill

 

 

 

Thanks Bill. I actually bought a color laser printer to make decals with. I have a file for Lusitania windows and I printed it up....came out pretty good. I think I am going to use photo etch windows from the Titanic kit for the Lusitania windows though, but having the ability to make decals is kind of cool. I'm sure I will use it in the future. 

 

I bought the same model printer Micromark sells with their decal kit so I figure at least if they are using it for decals it should work well. I printed the first few on clear decal paper from Amazon but since have bought some of Micromarks decal paper. My thinking is if I buy what Micromark has proven to work I should get  decent results.

 

 

 

Hard to say about their printer, but give a report. I use that paper, both clear and white for inkjet. Having tried a number, including Testor's; I like the MM stuff best.

 

Another thing to think about for small one-offs; I'll dig through the decal graveyard and find something like red Bomber Command numerals and cut those up.

 

Bill I tested out the printer with clear decal paper from Amazon and it worked well. I have yet to try the Micromark paper. The printer is an HP model that really doesn't have anything to do with MM, but it's one they sell with their decal making kit.

I would really like to do some custom photo etch. They sell a kit but the whole process looks kinf of complicated.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:58 PM

I've never tried PE but I have mostly heard negatives from folks who try.

 

Bill

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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 8:07 PM

Bill, these are the decals I printed on the paper from Amazon. Hard to tell from a photo but they don't look too bad. I will have to try the better paper and do some adjustments.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:42 PM

GMorrison

I've never tried PE but I have mostly heard negatives from folks who try.

 Bill

 

 
I have the micromark photoetch kit, and it actually works very well.  You have to be very exact and follow the directions, but for 2-dimensional objects, like railings and doors, it works very well.  I use it to make hooks and the hammock rails for the Constitution.  Only drawback is the size of the dip tank.  That is your limitation.
Bob
 

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Luvspinball

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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:17 AM

Luvspinball

 

 
GMorrison

I've never tried PE but I have mostly heard negatives from folks who try.

 Bill

 

 

 
I have the micromark photoetch kit, and it actually works very well.  You have to be very exact and follow the directions, but for 2-dimensional objects, like railings and doors, it works very well.  I use it to make hooks and the hammock rails for the Constitution.  Only drawback is the size of the dip tank.  That is your limitation.
Bob
 
 

Thanks Bob. I need to make square window frames and a bunch of grating, I would be interested in it but on their site the download instructions link doesn't work. I have no idea if I have to learn to develope film like a photographer to use it, or how to input the drawings. Maybe I'll email them and see if they can provide insructions prior to purchase. I would also need to buy another printer, inkjet. I just bought a laser for decals...getting expensive.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, May 23, 2020 2:47 PM
I'm modifying some PE Titanic window frames for my Lusitania. Not correct but a lot neater than I could brush paint the plastic frames.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:37 PM

I had the same problem with the instructions.  I have a PDF of the them.  PM me and I can send them to you.  Reads like a cook book.  Hardest part is getting the two sides aligned.  Works with inkjet printers only, I believe.

Bob

 

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by ChrisSC on Sunday, May 24, 2020 7:58 AM

Luvspinball

I had the same problem with the instructions.  I have a PDF of the them.  PM me and I can send them to you.  Reads like a cook book.  Hardest part is getting the two sides aligned.  Works with inkjet printers only, I believe.

Bob

 

 

Thanks Bob. They sent me the instructions but thank you for the offer. I think I have abandoned the idea for now.

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