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Gunze Sangyo 1/350 Lusitania

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, May 30, 2020 7:25 PM
Masked, painted, and unmasked the funnels. Wow, it took quite some time to do. Unmasking took almost as much time in trying not to scratch the paint with the tweezers!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, June 4, 2020 8:14 PM

Lifeboats are almost done.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:00 PM

ChrisSC
Masked, painted, and unmasked the funnels. Wow, it took quite some time to do. Unmasking took almost as much time in trying not to scratch the paint with the tweezers!

Very often the masking and unmasking takes longer than the painting! Almost makes you just want to use a brush. Big Smile

Bob

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

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Posted by potchip on Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:16 PM

I got the Gmark(green mark?) boxed version of this kit from a Japanese 2nd hand shop. From what I can gleam from the internet is the original boxing/manufacturer, then passed to entex/gunze/anmark/revell.  The more ubiquitous minicraft 1/350 Titanic was also origianlly tooled by Gmark back in the 70's. 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, June 5, 2020 6:30 AM

Luvspinball

 

 
ChrisSC
Masked, painted, and unmasked the funnels. Wow, it took quite some time to do. Unmasking took almost as much time in trying not to scratch the paint with the tweezers!

 

 

Very often the masking and unmasking takes longer than the painting! Almost makes you just want to use a brush. Big Smile

Bob

 

Yes for sure. The steam pipes are supposed to be another color but I'm leaving them alone. I want no part of touching those funnels again except for the two ladders.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, June 5, 2020 6:33 AM

potchip

I got the Gmark(green mark?) boxed version of this kit from a Japanese 2nd hand shop. From what I can gleam from the internet is the original boxing/manufacturer, then passed to entex/gunze/anmark/revell.  The more ubiquitous minicraft 1/350 Titanic was also origianlly tooled by Gmark back in the 70's. 

 

Yest the Minicraft has been passed around quite a bit. I found the Entex version which is older had much cleaner parts than the Minicraft. I bought a used Entex for spare parts.

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, July 10, 2020 4:47 PM
Well May 13th I was told I would have the decks for my Lusitania by Memorial Day. As that passed I was told another 2 weeks. This went on and on until the manufacturer disappeared off of forums and stopped answering enquiries at all on June 17th. I did all I possibly could on the model, painted everything, did all the photo etc. I have finally given up and bought a bunch of plastic bags, separated and numbered all the parts and just packed the whole project up.
The issue is I have meticulously painted a lot of parts expecting drop on wood decks. If I have to cut my own most of that paint work will be messed up as making your own decks requires taking the pieces you are cutting on and off many, many times which will scratch it all up.
The whole affair was just a huge waste of time. Now that I have realized what the situation actually is I bought a bunch of other kits, a few smaller than I really care for in scale but that’s all that is available. Maybe some day the manufacturer will produce them and I can finish this model which I was so enthused about building, so I will put it out of my mind and work on other things. If they are never produced I will have to cut them myself and just repaint everything.
My Mom is 84 and in poor health, I am her sole caregiver so I have basically been staying away from outside activity as much as possible, especially since my state is one of those that the virus is going through the roof. That being said, wasting almost 2 months when I would really have enjoyed having something to keep me busy instead of looking at it all apart all over my table has been a huge disappointment.
I just bought these and a Queen Mary 2 1/400. So that’s all for the foreseeable future on my 1/350 Lusitania. When the day comes that I continue building it I will add to this thread. Thanks for any interest, Chris.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Friday, July 10, 2020 9:12 PM

Instead of using the wood to test fit, I used a paper template first.  You can easily trim this as needed until you get a perfect fit with little to no chance of harming any other surfaces.  Once you are satisfied with the fit, I transfered (traced the outline) to a hard stock.  An old shirt box will do fine as well.  Cut out and test fit once more.  When satisfied of the fit, transfer to the wood deck.  As long as the wood deck is the same or smaller than your paper/cardboard templates, you should have no problems.

Bob

 

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:52 AM

Luvspinball

Instead of using the wood to test fit, I used a paper template first.  You can easily trim this as needed until you get a perfect fit with little to no chance of harming any other surfaces.  Once you are satisfied with the fit, I transfered (traced the outline) to a hard stock.  An old shirt box will do fine as well.  Cut out and test fit once more.  When satisfied of the fit, transfer to the wood deck.  As long as the wood deck is the same or smaller than your paper/cardboard templates, you should have no problems.

Bob

 

 

Thanks Bob. That's what I was originally doing, making templates then transferring them over to wood. The issue is the templates still have to go on and off many times. I had to use cardstock as thin paper would bend and throw off the measurement. 

 
Take the deck on the right for example. To have all those details line up perfectly I would need to have either the template or the deck on and off a bunch of times. Plus that's an older picture, there is more paint detail on that deck right now. 
It depends on the particular deck some are simple and not that much cutting is necessary. A deck like this is an issue.
 
The round vents actually taper so the hole at the bottom needs to be slightly larger. They will all need repainting. As I had mentioned there is a lot more detailed paint than is in this older photo. the inside of the vents are red now. Remasking this tiny stuff is a chore also.
 
The beginning of this thead shows my approach of cutting them myself.

 

I never would have painted all the parts first if not told the decks comming were imminent. Live and learn.

Chris

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 11, 2020 9:19 AM

Hi Chris. I've been following the build and I hope you decide to finish it.

Your families health of course comes above all else, so focus on that.

But as my oncologist told me a while back, man needs a hobby. It's our chance to unwind the reel a little.

I think you understand the process you have developed well enough now to control the outcome.

Bob is right too. It will come out fine. Do your best, it will be the nicest Lusitania we've seen.

 

Bill

Modeling is an excuse to buy books

 

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, July 11, 2020 5:45 PM

GMorrison

Hi Chris. I've been following the build and I hope you decide to finish it.

Your families health of course comes above all else, so focus on that.

But as my oncologist told me a while back, man needs a hobby. It's our chance to unwind the reel a little.

I think you understand the process you have developed well enough now to control the outcome.

Bob is right too. It will come out fine. Do your best, it will be the nicest Lusitania we've seen.

 

Bill

 

Thanks Bill. I'll finish it someday. I figure I will mess around with some of these smaller scale ships and maybe he will make the decks. I am too naive, I have to stop believing what people tell me about their products as per this situation and the situation we discissed in a private messages a few weeks ago.

A few of these models I just bought are 1/600 scale, wow they are smaller than I thought. I don't know how people can do something like a 1/1200 ship....I couldn't even think about trying that. I have enough trouble seeing the parts on a 1/350 lol!

I'm going to start on this Airfix 1/600 Queen Elizabeth. I bought some photo etch for it.

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Posted by designck on Sunday, August 2, 2020 12:09 PM
Were you going to be using the same tan wood for those mahogany colored decks? I am not as adventurous as you with the wood for the decks, but I did buy the PE sets for this and the Titanic, along with some 1:350 people to populate the ship (what the hell was I thinking? LOL!). If I am not mistaken all those mahogany colored wood decks should be the tan color and the details on the deck remain mahogany, correct? The Assembly instructions in the GUNZE kit leave a LOT to be desired! I do have a fabulous book on teh Lusitania which will help with rigging etc, but no color photos obviously, so it's a guess for that...
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Posted by designck on Sunday, August 2, 2020 1:26 PM
You're so skilled at this I get nervous to do the same with mine, but I want to, since I have bought the PE kit, so hey... let's do it!
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Posted by designck on Sunday, August 2, 2020 1:29 PM
I don't even remember where I found mine, but I am glad I did... it's been on top of a closet for years and now in Covid-time, it's become the ideal time to do this...
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Posted by ChrisSC on Wednesday, October 14, 2020 1:14 PM

designck
Were you going to be using the same tan wood for those mahogany colored decks? I am not as adventurous as you with the wood for the decks, but I did buy the PE sets for this and the Titanic, along with some 1:350 people to populate the ship (what the hell was I thinking? LOL!). If I am not mistaken all those mahogany colored wood decks should be the tan color and the details on the deck remain mahogany, correct? The Assembly instructions in the GUNZE kit leave a LOT to be desired! I do have a fabulous book on teh Lusitania which will help with rigging etc, but no color photos obviously, so it's a guess for that...
 

Hi designck, sorry I just saw this post as I don't get notifications and I had put this model on hold. Yes I think everything beside the deck stays mahogany for the most part. The instructions are a little vague lol.
If you really want to see an incredible job on this model check out this link to this guy Elang's Facebook post on his build. It's probably the most accurate and incredible job I've seen done on her. It's also a good reference to see what the colors should be. 
I am posting on this thread because I am really excited that I just got word that my wood decks are in the mail. I took the time while I was waiting to build a couple of 1/600 liners but I'm really happy about getting back to 1/350, and especially this ship.
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Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:06 AM

Chris,

Allow me to say "AMEN!" to Bill's post.  Take care of your family!.  Your model building skills will carry you through this build.

Bill

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:20 AM

I don't know what you do or did for a living:

       I was both a structural Engineer and Acrhitect. I collected a great many technical pans and pencils. I do stuff like decks with a wedge shaped technical pencil! The other thing that works real well is my.010 lining pencil. This is for drawing lines and arrows to various locations . Much like an instruction sheet for a model.

 

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Posted by Silly_me on Thursday, October 15, 2020 12:34 PM

I finally found one of these on ebay, all parts present but the instructions are missing, does anyone know if there is a PDF of them somewhere?  My Google-fu is failing me.

 

ChrisSC
I am posting on this thread because I am really excited that I just got word that my wood decks are in the mail.

 

That is great, where did you source them from?

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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, October 15, 2020 1:27 PM

Silly_me

I finally found one of these on ebay, all parts present but the instructions are missing, does anyone know if there is a PDF of them somewhere?  My Google-fu is failing me.

 

 

 
ChrisSC
I am posting on this thread because I am really excited that I just got word that my wood decks are in the mail.

 

 

 

That is great, where did you source them from?

 

Thanks guys. 

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Posted by Silly_me on Thursday, October 15, 2020 2:33 PM
Thanks much! I'm itching to get to work on her.
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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:47 PM

Tanker-Builder

I don't know what you do or did for a living:

       I was both a structural Engineer and Acrhitect. I collected a great many technical pans and pencils. I do stuff like decks with a wedge shaped technical pencil! The other thing that works real well is my.010 lining pencil. This is for drawing lines and arrows to various locations . Much like an instruction sheet for a model.

 

 

Thanks Tanker-Builder. It wasn't so much the drawing as the cutting that was a pain. It was also hard to actually get the correct position of a starting point as the surface isn't flat. If it were flat I could have traced it with something like tracing paper? I have no clue what I was doing not having done anything like that for a living. That's why I'm glad I don't have to do it now lol!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Thursday, October 15, 2020 6:53 PM

warshipguy

Chris,

Allow me to say "AMEN!" to Bill's post.  Take care of your family!.  Your model building skills will carry you through this build.

Bill

 

Thanks Bill. My Mom has been having issues but fingers crossed she is slowly getting better. I'm really excited about resuming this build, it was one of my favorite models when I first started looking to build. I like 1/350 scale so it's Lusitania or Titanic and that's about it in this scale for big liners. In handling them both the Lusitania parts are Much nicer than the Minicraft Titanic parts. It's just a better kit IMO.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Friday, October 16, 2020 9:13 PM

I started gluing wood decks down on my 1/350 Lusitania.

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Posted by 1943Mike on Saturday, October 17, 2020 12:51 PM

Chris,

Just spoke to Scaledecks. He's finished the Lusitania (as I should have guessed based on a recent post of yours) and is working on the instructions. He said he should have it listed on Monday.

When I see them listed I'll be buying the set.

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Saturday, October 17, 2020 1:55 PM

Yeah,But !

 You are doing a bang up job anyway.That's regardless of my personal feelings about the wood deck products. It's not easy even if the decks are flat like some areas of capitol ships are! Keep it up. I am getting excited now!

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Posted by ChrisSC on Saturday, October 17, 2020 4:32 PM

Mike I like his decks for 1/350. I used them on my Titanic. That top deck on the Lusitania has a lot going on there, I couldn't have cut it myself.

Tanker-Builder, thanks. I like the scaledecks because they aren't peel and stick. You get to use your choice of glue. They do add a lot of work to the model though.

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Posted by Wilbur Wright on Sunday, October 18, 2020 8:00 PM

I built this exact kit in the 90's. Box is the same.  It's still on the shelf and looks good.

Bob Ballard had a great book out on this ship named "Exploring the Lusitania", as the wreck is easily accessible.

I would check it out see if it's still in print.

This is a great kit.  I also painted the funnels in Cunard Red-Orange.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Sunday, October 18, 2020 10:01 PM

Wilbur Wright

I built this exact kit in the 90's. Box is the same.  It's still on the shelf and looks good.

Bob Ballard had a great book out on this ship named "Exploring the Lusitania", as the wreck is easily accessible.

I would check it out see if it's still in print.

This is a great kit.  I also painted the funnels in Cunard Red-Orange.

 

Wilbur Wright I agree, it is a nice kit. I'n working on the lower decks. I'm not being too careful as you won't see them once the model is complete.

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Posted by ChrisSC on Monday, October 19, 2020 7:43 PM

Little by little she's starting to look like a Lusitania. I got a resin 1/350 Normandie, same scale as this Lusitania. It makes the Lusitania look tiny side by side. The Normandie was a huge ship!

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Posted by Model Monkey on Tuesday, October 20, 2020 8:14 AM

Brilliant.

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