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Posted by Having-fun on Thursday, August 6, 2020 8:35 PM

GMorrison

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think those came with the kit.

 

 

It comes with vacuum formed sails, but it does not have plastic shrouds or rat lines, it does comes with some sort of a tool to help you make the shrouds.

 

Also, it do have English translation of the instructions, but they are not very clear, will require strong attention to detail and very careful building, I may buy a book on rigging to help me out.

 

Joe

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Friday, June 19, 2020 11:25 AM

Not a problem.  If you ever get the itch, she'll be available somewhere.

Fair winds and gentle seas on your projects.  Takes a special person to build sail

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Posted by Having-fun on Friday, June 19, 2020 8:51 AM

goldhammer

Joe- sent you a PM.  Have a Heller 1/100 Victory I'll never get around to building, if you are interested.

The hellers are plastic

 

I appreciated the offer, but, I decided to abandon the idea of the Victory for the time being and instead went with the Revell 1:98 British Man Of War,

Joe

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Posted by Having-fun on Friday, June 19, 2020 8:46 AM

 

Gene, you sure do excellent work! A lot of the good people of this blog have advised me that, when I switch to wood, to start with something relative easier, so I can get my feet wet without getting frustrated, I will follow the advice because I know that I can get frustrate relatively easy.

Again, I want to thank all of you for the valuable advise I have received.

Joe

 

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Posted by gene1 on Thursday, June 18, 2020 9:52 PM

Joe, I built a lot of wood plank on frame  ships 35 or more years ago & when I got really old I switched to plastic. I figured I could finish them. I built the sister to the one you got. This is Revells Spanish Galleon. It is thesame basic kit. 

            It does finish nice. One of my other favorites for an easy large kit is the Airfix 1/72 Golden Hind. 

                       

It is on an Oak base now Here is your Galleon look alike.

Last here is a wood Constitution I built over 35 years ago.

    I have been building since the start of WW2 & never got tired of it. I have built everything & am just about done with my 2 1869 loco's. I have to show you my General & will do a write up on the 3 General, Jupiter & U P 119.

Hope this helps some. If you want to see any more before you build just PM or email me  . My email i   gf3082@gmail.com

                        Gene  

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:53 PM

enemeink-2.0
I'm not sure if jtilley is still around but he was a good help. 

Mr Tilley passed away a few years back. We miss him. 

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by enemeink-2.0 on Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:26 PM

I built 3 plastic ships before I transitioned to wooden ships. I built the Revell Germany Victory (needs some repair work as it got bashed up in a move). I built this straight out of the box as, is and didn't really do much with the rigging.

Next was the Airfix Wasa and the Lindberg Jolly Roger (aka La Flore). This is where I really cut my teeth on rigging. I also have a Heller Royal Luis that's half finished because of the immense amount of repetative pieces. I shelved it vowing to come back to it. that was 12 years ago.

My first wood kit was the model shipways Phantom pilot boat. It was a great start into wooden ships. it's the one on the far right. I really do recommend this as a good intro to wood kits. it's solid hull, no planking required.

https://modelexpo-online.com/Model-Shipways-PHANTOM-NY-PILOT-BOAT196-SCALE_p_1017.html

After that I've been working on the Model Shipways Prince De Nuefchatel. that's been about 10 years in the making (kids, and moving) I haven't put much time into finishing it because I just don't know where to put it. Once I figure that out, i'll finish it. it's locked away on the work bench. but little hands can make years of work disapear quickly. It's a plank on bulkhead and the laser cut bulk heads took a fair amount of time to shape.

With all that. It was a long winded way to echo what others have said. Some of these kits just have "lots" and they are pretty involved and people get burned out bitting off more than they can chew early on. I took baby steps as the recommendation of others here. I'm not sure if jtilley is still around but he was a good help. 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:59 PM

goldhammer
I had heard Midwest was no more

Model Expo was selling the kits, as were some other distributers.

There are several floating (NPI) about eBay at any given time.

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Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, June 18, 2020 9:49 AM

Don- I had heard Midwest was no more, but that was a couple years ago.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:41 AM

If you want to start a wooden kit, I would recommend starting with a Midwest kit.  These are all smaller craft, and all the planking is die cut for you- you do not need to learn the art of spiling.  They build into very nice models.  Relatively inexpensive too.  Good practice

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by jeffpez on Thursday, June 18, 2020 5:46 AM

The Revell Man o War is a nice kit that won't cause you any problems but it's very colorful and will require many hours of masking and painting. The end result will be worth the effort. 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, June 17, 2020 4:54 PM

Each Heller cannon has nine parts. I made a jig to put them together in.

The Revell little kit is fine, although it does not have lower gun decks and there are a few cannons run out on those decks, not all of them.

Longridge's model is that way too.

I get a lot of criticism for offering my opinion too much, some of the crit pretty abusive, so I say this only because it's a pretty generally held one.

Any wooden ship or boat kit is a challenge and takes skill. That skill is a product of practice and the ability to figure out how to make things absent any instruction.

Open a wooden ship model box and you'll see line, cast fittings, rigging blocks, non-tapered dowels and a whole lot of strip wood.

Either a solid hull blank or a set of laser cut bulkheads.

Solid hulls need to be shaped, which requires transfering the profiles from the drawings to the blank and finalizing the hull lines. Plank on bulkhead requires a good holding jig or stand, and an understanding of what goes where, how it needs to be shaped, and how to attach the planks in a clean fashion.

And it goes on.

So my opinion. Start with a smaller solid hull kit. Schooners are wonderful. The yacht America is a good one, as are all of the various fishing schooners and their derivatives.

Model Shipways made a skipjack I think called the Willie Bennett. 

Then try a two masted brig or privateer. That'll get you a dozen or so guns on the deck, a cross yard or two, and a lot more deck detail.

If you dive in on a big frigate or multi-deck warship, it will never get finished in less than several thousand hours. A work year/ five days a week/ 9-5 is 2010 hours.

And do your research. A lot of the wooden ship model kits are junk, and cost a lot of money.

 

Bill

 

 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, June 17, 2020 4:38 PM

The Revell kit is 1/224, and has been arund since 1971.

Airfix/Heller is 1:100 (the two companies were virually one, as Heller was casting the sprues for Airfix).  Heller is stuck between a rock and a hard place, so, their enitre line is out of production; anythin you buy was bought up near to ten years ago.  Airfix is now part of Hornby, but I don't know where the spures are cast.

The wooden Victory considered "best" is the Caldercraft, which is not cheap.

One thing all Victory kits have in common is "lots."  There are about a hundred cannon (or at least muzzles in the Heller kit).  There are a few hundred deadeys, a few hundred shrouds and stays.  There are a hundred gunports.  The list goes on and on.

It's a ton of work, an that workload ought be given due consideration.

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Posted by Having-fun on Wednesday, June 17, 2020 4:34 PM

Rick Sr

I would suggest Revel's Cutty Sark. It's 1/96, plastic and you have lee way to uograde.

 

 Thanks for your subjection, but, at the present I have a large (about 3 feet long) model of the Cutty Sark that I purchased already assembled about 5 years ago, the model was build, of all places, in Vietnam.

 

I have decided that I am no willing to wait any longer, and that I will not start a wooden model yet, I want to gain more experience first.

 

So, I ordered the Revell 1:96 British Man Of War from Amazon and I should receive it on Monday the 22.

 

Thanks to all of you for the recommendations and guidance provided. I will start a new tread detailing the building of the Man Of War.

 

Joe

 

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Posted by Rick Sr on Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:38 AM

I would suggest Revel's Cutty Sark. It's 1/96, plastic and you have lee way to uograde.

Dump the plastic sails. You can do cloth full or furled with guidance from online sites. It is still a available on line but I think it is out of productuom.

It is an upgradeable kit.

Go to the Fine Scale Modeler site, into the ships forums  for  wealth of information...the quality of the builds there will fill you with insane jealousy.

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Posted by Luvspinball on Tuesday, June 16, 2020 7:08 PM

Most of Mega Hobby ships are out of stock.  Pull up the full list and you will see that most are not available.

 

Bob Frysztak

Luvspinball

Current builds:  Revell 1/96 USS Constitution with extensive scratch building

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Posted by goldhammer on Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:22 PM

Joe- sent you a PM.  Have a Heller 1/100 Victory I'll never get around to building, if you are interested.

The hellers are plastic

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Posted by enemeink-2.0 on Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:56 PM

if you can find one, the Airfix Wasa is a great build. I believe Revell made one as well. I've built the Lindberg Jolly Roger which isn't a bad build as either. you got $200 so go for both. 

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Posted by jeffpez on Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:40 PM

I also had trouble with Internet Hobbies and will no longer deal with them. I've used Mega several times with no problems but not recently.  If you want the Victory then you really don't have much of a choice.

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Posted by Having-fun on Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:21 PM

jeffpez

Mega Hobby claims to have the Victory in stock.

https://www.megahobby.com/products/hms-victory-sailing-ship-1-100-heller.html

 

 

Thanks, but is Mega Hobby a reputable business? I originally ordered a Heller Solei Royal from a company by the name of Internet Hobbies only to find out that they did not have it and they failed to honestly tell me, the only thing I got from them were excuses. I finally canceled the order after waiting almost a month, but by that time every one who had the Solei had sold them. That is the reason of why I want to make sure the business is reliable.

 

Now I finding out that the Solei is no longer being produce, therefore it is unavailable.

 

Joe

 

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Posted by jeffpez on Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:49 PM
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Posted by Having-fun on Tuesday, June 16, 2020 11:51 AM

 

"I will be 90 this year & still build like crazy. I am going to do a post on building them ."

 


Sir, next to you I am a teenager! LOL. I am 75 myself and got involve in model making to keep myself occupy.

There are 2 reasons of why I am looking at the possibility of doing a wood sailing ship model vs plastic. for what I have seem, there are larger ( between 20 to 35 or more inches in length ) plus there is a lot more variety of ships available, I am aware of the at least 2 cons for wood ships, they tend to be more expensive and they are supposedly harder to built.

 

I am still hopeful that I would find a Heller Victory 1:100, but, coming this Friday, if the Victory is not found , I am planning to go with the HMS Beagle, Why I choose this one? well, they made over 100 step by step YouTube instructions for this ship that will allow me to gain experience in the construction of wood models.

 

I will update these comments on Friday to announce my decision.

 

Keep safe.

 

Joe

 

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, June 15, 2020 11:02 PM

  Joe, I have a suggestion for you. I have built sailing ships & a bunch of subs & other warships for the last 5 years & I took a break & built MPC's old 1/25 General kit. It is really abeauty & I do love trains too.It is big at about 24".

       Then I got fired up when I saw a post about building the 2 1869 4-4-0 Locomotives that met in Utah.The 2 used the General kit with a lot of changes. I saw an artical on another site & it got me fired up. I will be 90 this year & still build like crazy. I am going to do a post on building them . 

                                      gene1

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, June 15, 2020 11:42 AM

Thay are as reputiable as most. The Victory is quite the project, plastic or wood. I have the old Airfix Victory. I know Revell has one but can't speek to it's quality.

If you go the wood route, I would suggest one of the entry level kits such as the Alert or Bluenose ETC. They make great looking builds and you won't be out a lot of money out of frustration.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by Having-fun on Monday, June 15, 2020 9:47 AM

I guess luck in not on my side, a couple of days ago I told the wife that I will wait until this coming Friday to see if Amazon got more of the Le Solei Royal ships from Heller, and if it did not show I would make a decision in what model I was going to buy, the Heller Victory 1:100 or a wooden model, the HMS Beagle.

Today, while checking, I found that the Le Solei Royal was discontinue by Heller, and, to make matters worse, Amazon has run out of the Heller Victory.

I will wait until Friday to see if I can find the Victory either in Amazon ( my prefer option ) or in another reputable dealer.  If I am unable to find the Victory, I may go with the wood model which is being sold by a internet hobby place called www.historicships.com, hoping that they are reputable.

Joe

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Posted by modelcrazy on Friday, June 12, 2020 7:59 AM

I owned the Begal at one time, then sold it.
In wood I have the 1/96 Victory, Revenue Cutter Ranger, Yacht America and one other that I can't remember right now. I've owned them for over 20 years, non of which I could afford now.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

http://www.spamodeler.com/forum/

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Posted by goldhammer on Friday, June 12, 2020 12:23 AM

Having-fun

 

 
steve5

I just saw 5 for sale on e-bay . go through paypal , you should be right .

 

 

 

 

I went to e-bay and did not see it, maybe it has been sold already.

While looking for other ships I got into a site www.historicmodels.com were they have a 1:60 scale model of the HMS Beagle, this ship is not plastic, is all wood, the price is $209, and it is rated for intermediate users. The biggest advantage with this model is that they have a series of youtube videos (over 100 of them) that go step by step on how to build this model.

Have any of you had any experience with this vendor and the model in question? I will welcome any advise.

Thanks

Joe

 

 

Was just on ebay and saw several in 1/200 and 1/100.  Just plug in the ship name and maker

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Friday, June 12, 2020 12:20 AM

Having now read the entire thread, I will admit that I could not spend 'years' on a single kit / project.

Frankly speaking, I like jeffpez's idea best; a decent bottle of single malt! Then the big question is Highlands, Isley or Speyside?

Or maybe a good Irish?

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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Posted by Having-fun on Thursday, June 11, 2020 10:16 PM

steve5

I just saw 5 for sale on e-bay . go through paypal , you should be right .

 

 

I went to e-bay and did not see it, maybe it has been sold already.

While looking for other ships I got into a site www.historicships.com were they have a 1:60 scale model of the HMS Beagle, this ship is not plastic, is all wood, the price is $209, and it is rated for intermediate users. The biggest advantage with this model is that they have a series of youtube videos (over 100 of them) that go step by step on how to build this model.

Have any of you had any experience with this vendor and the model in question? I will welcome any advise.

Thanks

Joe

 

Update; The link I provided is incorrect, the proper link is www.historicships.com sorry for any incovenience.

Joe

 

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