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Who makes the best kit of the C.S.S. Virginia(Merrimack)?

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Posted by Nino on Monday, September 11, 2017 7:41 AM

gene1

Nino, That's who I was trying to think of, Verlinden made my waterline kits. They are really nice & I think I only paid from $25 to $40 for each of them, but that has been a few years ago. I still have one to finish, but the rest are gone. I might do them all again.

 

     Yea, they had nice Water-Line kits for the price.
      I started "collecting" a Stash several years ago in anticipation of retirement. Verlinden kits were still available then. I had the Monitor, Virginia and Keokuk in my wish list. All just a wish now.  Glad I got as many old Airfix, Heller, and IMAI Molded kits when I could.
     
     I was a "Stalker" here for many years but never felt capable of any worthwhile input. Really need to thank all the long-time members here on all the suggestions that have been posted over the years. These Learned Gentlemen/ Veterans/ and Model-Builders-Supreme make this one of the very best of the Model Forums. (That means you too Gene!)
 
    Thanks.
         
          Jim.  
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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Monday, September 11, 2017 9:38 AM

Jim,

Your point is well taken! There are many of those old contributors whom I miss, John Tilley most of all.  Rest in Peace, John.

Bill Morrison

 

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  • From: Western No. Carolina
Posted by gene1 on Monday, September 11, 2017 9:18 PM

Nino & Bill that was real nice to hear, John was a great writer & nice man. How is retirement for you Bill, or has it started yet ? I think all model builders enjoy retirement more than most people.

      Flagship is expensive, but do turn out some beautiful kits. I like the Cairo more than about any, because I have seen her at Vicksburg. They found her, I believe, in about 1958 & raised her in 3 pieces & put back together in  about 1962 ???  I'm not sure of the dates. She was sunk with a 5 gal jug of black powder with an electric charge. I think it was the first boat sunk with a mine.  

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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:52 AM

Gene,

My physician testified yesterday strongly supporting my case.  The Commissioner of Workers Comp then announced that he will take four weeks to decide.  My attorney has my papers to retire with disability once that decision is made.

I have a project that I have been working on . . . the old Constructo HMS Pandora.

Bill

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Posted by Nino on Sunday, September 17, 2017 9:36 AM

warshipguy

Gene,

My physician testified yesterday strongly supporting my case.  The Commissioner of Workers Comp then announced that he will take four weeks to decide.  My attorney has my papers to retire with disability once that decision is made.

I have a project that I have been working on . . . the old Constructo HMS Pandora.

Bill

 

Bill,
      It’s kinda weird to say “Good luck with the Disability” but Good Luck anyway.  I never knew anyone who got direct benefits of the taxes I pay so I hope you can get that Workers Comp and/or SS payments.
     The Constructo HMS Pandora looks like fun. I downloaded a Picture of someone’s model while I was looking for references for the Bounty ( Pandora picked up “survivors” from the Bounty expedition.)  It looks like a terrific kit for an exprienced bullder. Seems to be large scale, close to 3 feet long.  Even the Ships boat looked as big as the Lindberg Monitor.
     Jim.
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Posted by Nino on Thursday, September 28, 2017 12:51 AM

CapnMac82

 
Sadly, with Lindberg, that only means that they labeled them the same scale.  Whether they were actually moulded to that scale is a question that remains to be answered.

Those kits dated back to a time when scale accuracy was not a halmark of kit manufacturers.  It was not quite to calling a Hurricane a Spitfire or vice versa, but close.

 

 

 

CapnMac82,
 
     I believe I can answer some questions on the Plastic kits of the C.S.S. Virginia and USS Monitor.
 
The Prototypes:
 
 USS Monitor has been listed as 171’ oa .                                                                                                           
 C.S.S. Virginia has been listed as various Lengths.  275’ oa seems most common.    (Lengths range from  262’,  275’, 281’  and up.)
 
The Plastic Kits:
 
      The original Pyro kit(s) was the Merrimac,(Hensforth C.S.S. Virginia),  followed by the Monitor. These were re-boxed together by Life-like as kit #09257. I have this kit.
 
Pyro/Life-like Monitor kit is 9.75” long.  This makes it 1/210 scale.
Pyro/Life-Like Virginia  is 11” long.         This makes it 1/300 scale.
 
     Lindberg reboxed the old Pyro kits as Lindberg Kit #00718 . I believe this helped to create confusion since these kits are the 1/210 and 1/300 scale ships. It appears that Lindberg when re-releasing their own Original kits as 70791, 70886 & 77257, kept the reference of 1/210 scale despite the actual scale of 1/245.  See “ Lindberg made their own version” below.
 
My reference for kit 00718 is Scalemates :
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/1100032-lindberg-718-monitor-and-merrimac
 
     Lindberg made their own version of the Monitor and “Merrimac” with motorized kit # 717M.  This kit was re-released again without motor as kit # 70791 and released again as kits # 70886 and 77257. These had a Sea Base/Diorama included. I have access to kits 717m, 70791 and 77257.
 
The description on Lindberg kit boxes70791, 70886 and 77257 is incorrect.
 
The Monitor is listed as 8 ¼” but is said to be 1/210!      The Lindberg Monitor kit is actually 8.37” long.  This makes the Monitor 1/245 scale.
 
The Virginia is listed as 15” long and said to be 1/300 scale. This is incorrect. The Virginia kit is actually 13.26”.   This makes the Virginia 1/245 scale.  (The Sea base happens to be 15” long on the diagonal.) 
   
Scalemates listed these Lindberg  kits incorrectly as 1/210 scale:
 
     So, which Plastic kit(s) are “Better”?  
 
The Pyro/Life-Like/Lindberg 00718 kits  depict the Monitor with the Turret in the wrong place. Also, the Virginia Gun ports are depicted symmetrical Port to Starboard. They should be staggerd Port to Starboard . However, the Surface details are better than the Lindberg versions.
 
The Lindberg version is not as detailed as the Pyro kits, Virginia gun ports are not staggered either, BUT the kits are a consistent scale of 1/245. And the Monitor Turret is placed correctly.
 
The resin and wood kits I located are:
 
Verlinden 1/200 scale   waterline only
Flagship models at 1/192
Blue Jacket 1/192 
Cottage Industries 1/96,
LoyalHanna Dockyard at 1/72
 
    Later edit:  I think Lone Star also did some kits. I know they provided Plans of some Civil War Ironclads to Flagship Models.
 Later Later edit:  I understand that all of Lone Stars ship line was sold to Flagship Models over 10 years ago.
 
Note: I have found that many Resin kits are not to the listed scale since Resin Shrinks. Case in point the Verlinden 1/200 Keokuk is larger than the Flagship Models 1/192 Keokuk.  Based on the length of the Keokuk, the Verlinden kit is to scale.
( Also, Flagship Models depicts the Keokuk with a wooden deck whereas my research indicates it was an iron deck. Verlinden also depicts iron.)
 
That's all for now. I'm researched-out.
 
   Nino
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  • From: Salem, Oregon
Posted by 1943Mike on Thursday, September 28, 2017 10:02 AM

Jim,

My suggestion is not for the carpet sailing or grandson's show and tell - it would be for you. Of course you'd probably have to cash in some treasury notes or Big Blue stock ...

http://cottageindustrymodels.com/?page_id=124

Seriously, I hope whichever kit(s) you get, you and your grandson have a swimmingly good time building it together!

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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Posted by Nino on Thursday, September 28, 2017 3:13 PM

1943Mike

Jim,

My suggestion is not for the carpet sailing or grandson's show and tell - it would be for you. Of course you'd probably have to cash in some treasury notes or Big Blue stock ...

http://cottageindustrymodels.com/?page_id=124

Seriously, I hope whichever kit(s) you get, you and your grandson have a swimmingly good time building it together!

 

 Mike,

     The Cottage Industries Kits are all fantastic with great reviews. And Yea, I still have some "Big Blue" (IBM Stock) left after putting my daughters thru School.  Hate to dump it 'cause the Dividends are good.

      Pictures and Reviews of Cottages'  Keokuk are what I used to compare with the Verlinden and Flagship models.  I always felt Rusty White, Al Ross and Nick came up with great kits at Flagship but they let me down on their Keokuk.  Yep, Cottage Ind is the one to beat. A great scale to match to the Alabama, Kearsarge, and even the Sea Witch-if you forget she only sailed into the late 1850's!

Edit: As I now understand it  Rusty White of Flagship bought the Ship line from Lone Star in 2005 so the Flagship Keokuk I have was probably designed by Lone Star NOT Flagship!

   As you can guess I have a Flagship Keokuk but my research indicated the Deck planking was wrong.  So, recently I picked up the Verlinden Keokuk from Scale Hobbyist for 23.79 + 1.66 SH (I usually buy more then 1 thing- to spred out the shipping costs). A really good deal considering the Verlinden ironclad kits are gone.  It is waterline and I like full hull so... I may be able to use the Hull from the Flagship kit.  Flagships Keokuk lower hull seems a bit too large for their upper hull but looks much closer to a fit on the Verlinden Keokuk.

Edit:

The site that I picked up info on a Really Great Build of the USS Keokuk is :
 
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=117629&sid=84be4de56be8fc75e4712cbe0a7ff736

    I am hoping to get the oldest Grandson more interested in Building stuff, even if to only play with it.  ( I played with my models as a kid! No tracks on my tanks or rudders on my Revell Flat bottom ships after 20 min of play.  LOL).

Learning to follow directions is an important skill. Dosn't matter what you Build.  

Oh,  The first Question I got on my Interview for IBM was " Do I build Models?".

   Thanks.

         Jim.

 

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