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Making and painting scale rope
Posted by ManCityFan on Monday, October 23, 2017 9:10 AM

So I am winding down on a T-34, and one of the last details is to attach some bedrolls using rope.

I tried twisting three strands of thread, which looked right, but kinked and unraveled the second I let off the pressure.  I have scanned the web and this site, and found that I probably should have used some thinned white glue prior to twisting, so I will try that.  I also saw that very thin wire (32 gauge?) could be twisted for a nice effect.  I think I can get the right shape and size.

The real issue I am having is that with my very limited artistic skills, I cannot come up with a color or color combination that looks like rope to me.  I tried some tans and browns, some off yellows, and combinations of the above, but none of them look right.  It doesn't seem like this should be hard, especially since rope can appear with many different colors, but I am having brain block.  Does anyone have a paint or combination of paints they like to use to paint scale rope?  I need some more stuff from Megahobby soon, so I can always add a couple more paints to the list.  Stick out tongue

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.  I feel kind of silly even posting this.  It seems so basic.

D

 

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Posted by Bish on Monday, October 23, 2017 9:21 AM

Dwayne, seeing as you will need to buy stuff to colour the rope anyway, you could save yourself time and hassle and get some ship rigging rope. I think i used the .5mm for tieing down on my vehicles and comes in the right colour.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, October 23, 2017 9:59 AM

So, ship guy here.

It's hard to twist strands together to make rope without the right tool. Basically, rope holds itself together because a reverse twist is put on each strand as it is twisted together, essentially making the strands try to bind to each other as the rope tries to unravel.

If the need comes up for good looking scale rope in any length, there's a great online store called Syren thats sells really great stuff.

https://www.syrenshipmodelcompany.com/miniature-rope.php

For this project, I'd use sewing thread. A good way to control fuzz is to run the thread through candle wax. Of course that's after you color it.

Can't make it lighter, only darker. I've tried tea, coffee and other stains. You could try really thinned enamel paint.

Go dark. Brand new rope looks funny.

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Posted by ManCityFan on Monday, October 23, 2017 10:02 AM

Bish

Dwayne, seeing as you will need to buy stuff to colour the rope anyway, you could save yourself time and hassle and get some ship rigging rope. I think i used the .5mm for tieing down on my vehicles and comes in the right colour.

 

That is an excellent suggestion.  I knew someone would have a sensible solution.  A quick check online led to an excellent ship aftermarket producer, and for less than $5 + shipping, I will have enough scale rope for years.  The ropes look fantastic.  Thank you very much for the reply, and helping me get past this brain block.

D

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Posted by Bish on Monday, October 23, 2017 10:07 AM

Not sure if its thje same one you found, but that link that GM posted has a good selection. In the UK i can only get black and hemp. Its what i used on the Pz II i finished a while back.

And yep, it will last for ages.

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Posted by ManCityFan on Monday, October 23, 2017 10:15 AM

GMorrison

So, ship guy here.

It's hard to twist strands together to make rope without the right tool. Basically, rope holds itself together because a reverse twist is put on each strand as it is twisted together, essentially making the strands try to bind to each other as the rope tries to unravel.

If the need comes up for good looking scale rope in any length, there's a great online store called Syren thats sells really great stuff.

https://www.syrenshipmodelcompany.com/miniature-rope.php

For this project, I'd use sewing thread. A good way to control fuzz is to run the thread through candle wax. Of course that's after you color it.

Can't make it lighter, only darker. I've tried tea, coffee and other stains. You could try really thinned enamel paint.

Go dark. Brand new rope looks funny.

 

Interestingly enough, I ended up at Syren in my internet search.  Their products really look top notch, and very affordable.  One order will keep me in rope for years, so I think that is the route I will go.  Not a huge order, but I like supporting companies like Syren.  They come in several different shades, and I will be ordering one that looks aged.  Thanks for the heads up on that.

D

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Posted by gregbale on Monday, October 23, 2017 11:10 AM

Just an addendum, for those who like to use thread for such purposes.

Those who don't sew---or have a family member or significant other who do---may not realize there are heavier woven threads readily available which more closely resemble rope or cord 'in scale.' Heavier button threads, and especially carpet threads, can be very useful stuff for the hobbyist and modeler.

Cheers

Greg

 

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Posted by ManCityFan on Monday, October 23, 2017 12:15 PM

gregbale

Just an addendum, for those who like to use thread for such purposes.

Those who don't sew---or have a family member or significant other who do---may not realize there are heavier woven threads readily available which more closely resemble rope or cord 'in scale.' Heavier button threads, and especially carpet threads, can be very useful stuff for the hobbyist and modeler.

Cheers

 

As usual, there are multiple excellent options that I have not thought of.  Thanks again for all the help.  Seems like a quick trip to Michael's or JoAnn Fabric might be in order.  It's funny the stores I now visit since starting up the hobby.  My favorite right now is a local artist supply store that is just a gem.  Having practically no art skills whatsoever, I find this mildly amusing.

I have noticed that I don't look at the world the same way I used to.  I pay attention to colors and hues (sp?) of all sorts of things, especially in terms of weathering.  I look at objects I never really paid attention to before, and think, is that a good scale representation of (insert model part here).  Wine bottle metal foil, creamer cups as paint mixers, bottle caps for small amounts of paint for brushing and small clamps in the hardware store and  wire in the beading section at Michael's are just some examples of what I never would have given a thought to.  And I have to say....it's really fun!

Anyway, my typical long-winded way of saying thanks for all the great suggestions.

D

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Posted by gregbale on Monday, October 23, 2017 12:53 PM

ManCityFan
I have noticed that I don't look at the world the same way I used to. I pay attention to colors and hues (sp?) of all sorts of things, especially in terms of weathering. I look at objects I never really paid attention to before, and think, is that a good scale representation of (insert model part here). Wine bottle metal foil, creamer cups as paint mixers, bottle caps for small amounts of paint for brushing and small clamps in the hardware store and wire in the beading section at Michael's are just some examples of what I never would have given a thought to. And I have to say....it's really fun!

Fun it is...but as time goes by and you collect more and more of that 'cool stuff' for future or 'someday' projects...you'll find they'll eventually need their own room.

In addition, of course, to the separate room for all your kits....

Greg

 

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Posted by Jay Jay on Monday, October 23, 2017 2:01 PM

Dman,

to coin a phrase "ain't that the truth "  I too look at the world diferently now as well...in miniature. I work at the Daytona speedway and I am constantly looking down especially near the pits or garage area finding little bits and bobs that fell off a wrecked vehicle. Stuff that may find their way into my stock of "that looks like it could be used for this' kind of thing. heck now I find myself doing that where ever I go.

I had a tip on rope for you but these guys had way better advice. Any way ,I use braided fishing line for my scale rope and it looks the part painted with Tamiya buff and oil wash but I'm gonna scrap that and use the aformentioned site too.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by ManCityFan on Monday, October 23, 2017 3:24 PM

gregbale
 
ManCityFan
I have noticed that I don't look at the world the same way I used to. I pay attention to colors and hues (sp?) of all sorts of things, especially in terms of weathering. I look at objects I never really paid attention to before, and think, is that a good scale representation of (insert model part here). Wine bottle metal foil, creamer cups as paint mixers, bottle caps for small amounts of paint for brushing and small clamps in the hardware store and wire in the beading section at Michael's are just some examples of what I never would have given a thought to. And I have to say....it's really fun!

 

Fun it is...but as time goes by and you collect more and more of that 'cool stuff' for future or 'someday' projects...you'll find they'll eventually need their own room.

In addition, of course, to the separate room for all your kits....

 

  I have a solution to that very problem.  I am married to a wonderful, practical woman who will stop me when necessary.  I might grumble, but experience has shown she is usually right. 

Dwayne or Dman or just D.  All comments are welcome on my builds. 

 

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Posted by route62 on Monday, October 23, 2017 3:48 PM

In the past I have done the technique you mentioned with twisting strands of thread into rope and then using white glue to hold it all in place.  If I can not find the right color thread, I will take white thread and soak it in hot tea or coffee depending on the color I want.  Once dry I then twist the strands into rope. 

Also picture hanger wire comes in several different twisted wire sizes.  This can be painted to look like rope but also makes great tow cables.

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Posted by Hunter on Monday, October 23, 2017 5:56 PM

Hey D,

Not sure if you're still on the hunt for scale rope. But Michael's has .003 up to 1.00 twine that looks just like rope that would be used on a tank or half-track. I hope you find what you're looking for.

Hunter 

      

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, October 24, 2017 8:45 AM

While I do often use thinned white glue on the thread in those kinds of applications, it is the wetness that makes the thread behave, so you do not need to use the white glue if you don't want to-just wet it.  I have never painted it, just pick the right color to start with.  However, after it has thoroughly dried, I have applied a dark wash to a light colored thread to highlight the texture.

 

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Posted by ManCityFan on Tuesday, October 24, 2017 8:57 AM

Thanks all for the great suggestions.  I settled on ordering from Syren.  Their stuff is just fantastic, and very reasonably priced.  I also like supporting companies for modelers started by modelers like this one.  I will now have enough scale rope to last for years.

I am finding that I am enjoying armor more than aircraft, so I think this will come in handy with many future projects.

Hope this thread can help some other folks down the line.

D

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Posted by modelmaker66 on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 11:00 PM

ManCityFan

Thanks all for the great suggestions.  I settled on ordering from Syren.  Their stuff is just fantastic, and very reasonably priced.  I also like supporting companies for modelers started by modelers like this one.  I will now have enough scale rope to last for years.

I am finding that I am enjoying armor more than aircraft, so I think this will come in handy with many future projects.

Hope this thread can help some other folks down the line.

D

 

I appreciate you starting it. Lots of great ideas!Smile

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Posted by STOVK on Thursday, October 26, 2017 10:15 AM

GMorrison

So, ship guy here.

It's hard to twist strands together to make rope without the right tool. Basically, rope holds itself together because a reverse twist is put on each strand as it is twisted together, essentially making the strands try to bind to each other as the rope tries to unravel.

If the need comes up for good looking scale rope in any length, there's a great online store called Syren thats sells really great stuff.

https://www.syrenshipmodelcompany.com/miniature-rope.php

For this project, I'd use sewing thread. A good way to control fuzz is to run the thread through candle wax. Of course that's after you color it.

Can't make it lighter, only darker. I've tried tea, coffee and other stains. You could try really thinned enamel paint.

Go dark. Brand new rope looks funny.

 

Great products. Thank you for the link!Yes

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Posted by ManCityFan on Sunday, October 29, 2017 12:19 PM

Just a quick picture of Syren rope on my model:

Thank you GMorrison for the link.  This is a detail that would have bothered me if it didn't look right.

Dwayne or Dman or just D.  All comments are welcome on my builds. 

 

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Posted by jrb53 on Tuesday, October 31, 2017 5:43 PM

Most rope that I've seen, especially after a few days in the sun, is a lot more gray than you would think.  The sunlight and rain seems to bleach out the tan color.

Jack

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Posted by ManCityFan on Tuesday, October 31, 2017 9:10 PM

jrb53

Most rope that I've seen, especially after a few days in the sun, is a lot more gray than you would think.  The sunlight and rain seems to bleach out the tan color.

Jack

 

That is good point.  I was around a lot of rope when I was in the Boy Scouts many years ago.  The older rope did turn gray.  

Next model I will try a wash and see if I can match what I remember.

Thanks for the comment.

D

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Posted by steve5 on Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:06 PM

if you want to see some incredible rope work , check this out

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/170876.aspx

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Posted by ManCityFan on Wednesday, November 01, 2017 12:47 PM

steve5

if you want to see some incredible rope work , check this out

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/170876.aspx

 

All I can say is wow....just wow.  Thanks for posting the link.

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Posted by Hunter on Saturday, November 04, 2017 5:42 PM

ManCityFan

 

 
steve5

if you want to see some incredible rope work , check this out

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/170876.aspx

 

 

 

All I can say is wow....just wow.  Thanks for posting the link.

 

 

I'll have to second that...absolutely amazing craftmanship.

Hunter 

      

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