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Working with brass photo-etched details - the tiny ones!

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Working with brass photo-etched details - the tiny ones!
Posted by Bookemdanno on Wednesday, July 6, 2011 6:35 PM

Howdy all,

New to this forum. I model WW2 1/35 armor as well as 1/48 trains. My latest project is a DML early Jagdpanther and I have a set of ABER sheet details as well as one of their barrels. Some of these details are quite small and I would like to know if there are any tutorials out there to explain how to ACC these to other parts when the ACC is so free flowing it glues my tweezers together with the part inside before I can place it on my model.

Any tips will be appreciated,

Thanx,

 Dan

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, July 7, 2011 8:50 AM

When I do use CA for small PE parts I use gel CA so it does not flow very much.  I also use white glue a lot for PE, thinned 1:1 with water.  Gives me a lot of setup time for repositioning.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Bookemdanno on Thursday, July 7, 2011 10:57 AM

Hi Don,

Ah - A fellow Minnesotan.

I too use the gel for larger parts. I never thought about using white glue on brass. Does it really work? Since brass is not porous it doesn't seem that the glue would have anything to stick to.

Dan

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Posted by wjbwjb29 on Thursday, July 7, 2011 2:27 PM

Get a bottle of Gator Grip Glue. Its a Polyurethane white glue made for gluing photoetch parts.

 

Bill

On the Bench:   Trumperter Tsesarevich on deck Glencoe USS Oregon

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, July 7, 2011 3:05 PM

wjbwjb29

Get a bottle of Gator Grip Glue. Its a Polyurethane white glue made for gluing photoetch parts.

Bill

Ditto

This stuff has largely supplanted CA as my #2 glue of choice (the first being plastic solvents that don't work at all with brass, resin, etc). The best part is that it has really great shear properties. I've accidentally squashed down levers and such in cockpits with my butterfingers, and been able to just push them back into place with a toothpick, with no harm.

The only place where Gator Grip falls down is when the part is under pulling tension. Think biplane rigging. It's designed to provide some flex, and in a tension situation like that, flex means that fittings pull out of their holes. So I still use CA for that. But small PE parts? Gator Grip all the way.

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Posted by Bookemdanno on Thursday, July 7, 2011 3:24 PM

Thanx doogs et. al.

I will get some of the Gator Grip and give it a whirl!

Bookemdanno

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  • From: Harlan, Kentucky, U.S.A.
Posted by robtmelvin on Friday, July 8, 2011 12:28 PM

For what it is worth, I still use CA quite a bit for PE, especially for items not subject to shear forces, since that is where CA really falls down.  I prefer to us the gap filling variety, used very sparingly (I usually apply it with a small piece of bent brass wire).  The slower drying time allows me some latitude in positioning the part in case the first attempt is a bit off.

For things like railing, I use the really thick stuff.  I put a blob of it on a post it note or other similar surface and then run the trimmed and formed railing over that blob, picking up a small amount of PE as I go.  I then position the railing and hold it for a few seconds for the PE to set.  For straight runs, I have been known to touch just a bit of zip kicker to one end, then position the remainder and hold in place till the CA sets.  Then for good measure, I will take a little mid thickness CA on the end of a piece of brass wire and run a small amount down the inside of the joint between the railing and the deck.

I've heard all the stories about CA's low shear strength and up to a point it is a valid consideration.  But, as far as ever having a piece of railing going "ping" once attached, its never happened to me.  Its kind of like Bigfoot, some swear it exists, some even claim to have seen it, but I never have.   I can't say it doesn't happen, but just not to me - yet!

I hope this is helpful.  All in all, it just goes to demonstrate that there is frequently no "right" way to do many of the things we do.  Rather, it boils down to what is "right" for you.  Try different methods, then pick the one you are most comfortable with, easiest for you to do, and still yields satisfactory results.

Bob

Just launched:  Revell 1/249 U.S.S. Buckley w/ after market PE and guns.

Building: Italieri 1/35 P.T. 596 w/ Lion Roar PE.

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, July 9, 2011 8:37 AM

Bookemdanno

Hi Don,

Ah - A fellow Minnesotan.

I too use the gel for larger parts. I never thought about using white glue on brass. Does it really work? Since brass is not porous it doesn't seem that the glue would have anything to stick to.

Dan

I guess it works the same way as a contact cement.  PE parts are so lightweight that it doesn't take much to hold them in place.  Regardless of what you use for glue, they are fragile, so put them on near the last.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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  • From: Illinois
Posted by wjbwjb29 on Saturday, July 9, 2011 8:57 AM

CA is great stuff. When I here of people having problems using CA its most likly due to using to much. The old adage comes to mind [Less is More].

 

Bill

On the Bench:   Trumperter Tsesarevich on deck Glencoe USS Oregon

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