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Posted by fezz50 on Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:27 AM

Hi guys.Im new to this site and just restarted building after about  ten years.learning lots of new stuff and love it.Im having problems with panel line washes.I have watch plenty on u_tube but dosen't work like it does on there.they say to gloss coat the model (plane b-17).then apply the wash and let it dry for 20 mins.then take a paper towel and scrub it off then Im left with nice black lines.It wont come of and stains the area to a point of polishing or wiping off with thinners and that take the wash out of the lines.iv bought a few types of good washes.can anyone tell me what im doing wrong..B-17 could be going for a flight out the window soon..lol.thanks guys..paul

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Posted by montague on Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:57 AM

try a water based wash like these from Flory models.

Buy direct from him. Very fast delivery also! Nice guy and the washes are great and water based. Check out the site too.

http://www.florymodels.co.uk/

 

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Posted by MikeS71 on Monday, October 3, 2011 11:14 PM

Assuming its recessed panel lines...

 

Give the model a good coat of future- 2 or 3 coats is even better.  Once they are set try a wash using acrylics, water and soap.  About 85-90% water, 5-10% paint, and 5% dishsoap.  Apply that onto panel lines with a brush.

 

Dont worry about excess outside the panel lines, it will wipe off.  Let dry about an hour then use Cotton Swabs to wipe off any excess in the directions of airflow.  If the gloss coat is sufficient, the excess will wipe off with no problems. 

 

Good luck!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 5:43 AM

Use Tempera paint for a wash.. Cheaper and easier to use, especially for beginners, than any other product out there... It'll wash of with plain ol' water, even after a week, if you screw it up...

 

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Posted by knox on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 10:04 AM

    I hadn't though of trying tempra paints as a wash.  When you thin it, do you yse anything to help break the surface tension?   I use pin washes on 25mm figures.  Being able to "edit" my washes after they dry sounds great.

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  • From: Fort Worth, TX
Posted by RESlusher on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 10:19 AM

While I haven't used the tempra paint method, I would said you probably just need to add a couple drops on dish washing detergent.  It's got a surfacant in it that ought to do the trick!

 

Richard S.

On the bench:  AFV Club M730A1 Chaparral

On deck:  Tamiya Marder 1A2

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Posted by kermit on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 10:49 AM

Paul,

First of all welcome back to the best hobby outthere and hope to see you around here on FSM in the future!Wink

What did you use to paint the plane and glosscoat and what have you used to make the washes? If it won't come off (easily) it might be that your wash is too agressive (enamel based wash on an enamel based glosscoat is usually a bad idea for instance) or the paint coating is too "gritty". You really like to have a baby butt smooth coating of future so the wash runs in the panels nicely and wiping it off is easy.

As another cheap but very effective way to make washes is to use watercolors. Experimenting with the technique for the first time i wanted something that was fully waterbased so it would be easy to handle. At a local craft store i found a box of tubed watercolors in all the major colors for just about 3 bucks. Will last you a long timeSmile

Blob of paint in a cup....good splash of water and a tiny drop of dishwashing agent or shampoo and you are good to go! Will wipe off nicely with a q-tip treated with water or saliva. For some weird reason i always have better results with saliva.....Hmm

Hope this helps!Yes

Richard

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Sir Winston Churchill

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Posted by knox on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 4:21 PM

  Thanks for info.  I did try dishwash liquid once and even though I thought I was careful stiring it, I got a lot of bubbles.  I'm sure it was my techinque and I will give it another try with tempra and watercolor paints.  This sounds like fun.

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Posted by kermit on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:07 PM

You just need a tiny drop of dishwasher to break the surface tension. too much will make it bubble

Richard

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Sir Winston Churchill

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Posted by MikeS71 on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:21 PM

If you use the dish soap with Acrylic paint and water it not only breaks the surface tension- it also diminishes the paints ability to bond with the surface of the model.  Use the formula I posted earlier and stir it up- the bubbles dont matter.  As long as you are doing it over a gloss surface the excess will wipe off with a Q-tip no problem.

 

Just as an addition- I have tried Tempera paint and had no luck- it does not dilute properly in water- you get specks of color etc...  maybe I did something wrong when I tried it- it was a long time ago- but I know the Water, Acryl paint, Dishsoap method works.

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