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Dot Filters: Oils or Enamels?

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cml
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  • From: Brisbane, Australia
Dot Filters: Oils or Enamels?
Posted by cml on Monday, October 31, 2011 7:58 PM

Hi all,

I'm sure somebody out there knows the answer to this:

Can enamels (Model Master specifically) be used for dot filters in the same way as oils (eg Windsor & Newton) are used?

I've just acrylic glossed my Wirbelwind and want to apply a dot filter, however, all my W&Ns are quite dark colours and i don't want the overall finish to be too dark.

I have a much better selectionof MM enamel colours and was wondering if they can be used in the same way as the W&N?

Thanks for your help.

Chris

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    November 2008
  • From: Central Florida
Posted by plasticjunkie on Saturday, November 5, 2011 7:52 AM

I have never used enamels for this technique but think that you will have more control with the oils. You will be removing just about all of the color, just leaving a slight trace so I woulnd't worry about it being too dark.

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cml
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    March 2007
  • From: Brisbane, Australia
Posted by cml on Monday, November 7, 2011 5:07 AM

Thanks for the response.

I think you are right - ie, oils have more control.

I gave it a try with my most recent project.  (Dot filters only applied to the turret in these shots).

These are the before filter shots:

 

Post dot filters - i used MM enamels.  It doesn't show as well in the photos, but under my own eyes i can see very faint lines/dot filter effect.  Overall, however, i was happy with the sublte way they tied together the overall scheme and softened it a bit.

 

I think in hindsight, maybe dot filtering works better if you use oils, as you have a bit more time to play with the colours etc before they dry.  I found the MM enamels tended to dry a little too fast.

Also, i think the effect with oils would work better with mono paint schemes - perhaps with a mottled scheme it's harder to recognise?

 

Chris

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  • From: Piscataway, NJ!
Posted by wing_nut on Monday, November 21, 2011 2:38 PM

I know this is a late response but I used both.  Bill Plunk, aka wbill76, uses MM enamels for dot filters all the time and you can't argue with his results.

Marc  

cml
  • Member since
    March 2007
  • From: Brisbane, Australia
Posted by cml on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:03 PM

Hi Marc,

Thanks for the response.  I followed Bill Plunk's method that i saw in an old edition of FSM and tried out MM enamels.

However, i'm now questioning if i should have gloss coated the model first.  I found the MM enamels tend to be removed very easily and don't have have the "staying power" of oils.

I'm not going to give up though.  I'm certain enamels can be used.  I guess it's all part of the fun of experimentation.

Regards,

Chris

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:24 PM

No...

Stick with oils...

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Posted by Warmuncher on Wednesday, December 7, 2011 7:59 PM

Hi.  What is a Dot Filter?  Is that kind of like a glaze?  Can you go into some more detail for me?

Thank you.

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, December 10, 2011 5:11 PM

warmumcher....  Yes, in a way it is kind of a glaze.  The purpose of a filter is to change the underlying color and a dot filter is just one method of accomplishing that.  The simplest "filter" would be to overspray a base coat with a 95/05 thinner to paint mix of color.  Depending how many coats you do it will alter the overall appearance of the base coat.  An example may be say on a 3 color German, dk. yellow, green, red-brown,  camo scheme.  as a first step I may go over that whole thing with a lightened dark yeallow filter at 95-05 to just tone things down and oull all the color togther.

A dot filter is a series of different color dots of oils paint that are then blended with a brush with clean thinner or spirits.  The different colors will give tonal variation.  Using different color dots in different areas can represent shaded areas etc.

Bear in mind I am speaking in the broadest of terms.

Check out this tutorial by the doog.  It really show the basic idea but there are variations on variations of the same method.

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Marc  

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