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Bow wave
Posted by TheMongoose on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 7:10 PM

So I'm working on King George V in the Ships of the British Flag GB and want to do a deep ocean scene. Here's the feasibility visual for you guy's opinion and direction... after watching a video on creating waterfalls i began to wonder if i could use a similar technique for creating the big bow wave. Instead of using a flat non stick surface i spread out the water effects on a sharply curved whiskey glass. Makes it better already right?

 

  

Had to throw in a seasonal background...and here it is dry. 

 

 

now I'll have to figure out a way to support it, maybe a thin wire underneath. Let me know what you think of this and what might make it better. Ideas on support and forming the shape appreciated as well.



i think I need more coming up and over the bow and stuff. This is just 1 piece so i can make lots more and tack them together as well. Throw some thought and ideas my way gents!

 

 

In the pattern: a dual build of my KittyHawk F-5's.

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 7:31 PM

MC used a piece of clear plastic to create the splash effect of the sideways launch of his sub build.

Built it up in a similar way.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 10:49 PM

That's a good idea Chris, I like it, a lot. Yes For that large of a bow wave you may want to add some blue. GH is right, for the Puffer I used a sheet of clear plastic. A thin sheet may help in supporting yours.

Steve

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 11:21 PM

OK so my advice is always look at photos.

Not just to be "right", but because the display needs to reinforce the informed viewer of the accuracy.

KG5 was a big and wide BB that didn't go anywhere too quickly. 

Have look through quite a few images, her bow was a vertical cleaver and her bow wave seems to me to be a pretty low V shape.

 

Bill

 

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Posted by TheMongoose on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 11:45 PM

I picked up lots of pics looking toward the bow from the British Imperial War Museum for KGV. Not so many from the side so GM that description is very helpful.

my thought right now is I can recreate about anything from pics. The question on my mind is whether this will make a good representation of a bow wave. You know alot of people use cotton to do most of it. I think that loses some of the power that a wave has And am trying to find a way to capture that in scale. There still will be some cotton to display the fine spray possibly. Need to devel the whole look as part of this inquiry to see what you guys think. Here's a great pic that shows the water coming up as a hard sheet that makes me like the water effects as a starting point

MC thanks for posting the shots, wow that's sweet work on the sub scene. Will have to try out some different thicknesses for mine and see what will keep it elevated.

In the pattern: a dual build of my KittyHawk F-5's.

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Wednesday, October 28, 2020 11:55 PM

Looking at the hull in your sample, KGV didn't have much flare from waterline to deck, so your wave will probably have more vertical height and not as much horizontal deflection as your trial.  But you have a great start.  Will keep an eye on this for more lessons.

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, October 29, 2020 7:46 AM

Hi;

      Well, I will tell you this much the Bow shape will definitely shape the Bow wave profile. This needs to be foremost in your mind. The KJV has a Bow that wouldn't put off much flare effect. More like a Slightly Slanted Wall rather than a flare.

      This used to be the most fascinating thing for me when I was stationed on an old Gearing Class, The Bow wave was more wall like and scary as the dickens just before it broke over the Deck!

 Look at your ship from the Bow to the Stern facing the stem. This will help you figure those natural angles produced when the weight of the bow moves downward and pushes the water up and out!

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  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Thursday, October 29, 2020 8:34 AM

GMorrison

...KG5 was a big and wide BB that didn't go anywhere too quickly...

You touch on a consideration that I thought of but didn't see mentioned as I read the other comments-the ship's speed.  That will also impact what the bow wave looks like.

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, October 30, 2020 3:54 PM

Hi;

      Yes! this is also a BIG consideration! The Bow wave at Flank speed on fairly smooth water is phenominal as it is. Now that said. If she is moving at any speed above half she will put out a rather upward flare of splash or bow wave crest. On her this would even hit her anchors as well as an odd wave cresting the deck. The spray and splash is rather Spectacular at that point!

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Posted by modelcrazy on Saturday, October 31, 2020 9:46 PM

Steve

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, November 1, 2020 12:55 AM

Oh goodness a BB doing that would have to go to yard to be refiuted for all the barf.

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Posted by TheMongoose on Sunday, November 1, 2020 6:41 AM

GMorrison

Oh goodness a BB doing that would have to go to yard to be refiuted for all the barf.

 

 

heck, i was getting queezy after Seeing the repeat a few times!!

In the pattern: a dual build of my KittyHawk F-5's.

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, November 1, 2020 7:29 AM

Oh Boy;

 Now crew, those were the days. Should've tried that in a Gearing. What fun that was. The Rule one hand for the ship, One for yourself was very true. X.O. would get pissed about footprints on the lower passageway Bulkheads. Cause of the Barf and Footstep stains on the lower two or three feet. Oh Yeah, she rolled like a sausage in boiling water! Plus, You have to remember the Gearings and others didn't have the short Spray guard Bulwarks forward either. So we would go deeper into the wave too!

 If you can watch that for a minute. Try and picture a 80,000,00 ton Tanker doing that with a full load of 5 mil. bbls. of oil on board. Remember although we were way bigger and still looked like a ship in front we were heavy, Very heavy!

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