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Problem Airbrushing MM Acrylic
Posted by Levon on Sunday, May 31, 2009 12:32 PM

Guys,

I want to know if any of you have had a similar problem with Airbrushing MM Acrylics.  Here is what I did.  I primed my Tamiya 1/35 JS-3 with MM White Primer from the rattle can.  Once it was dry, I airbrushed straight from the jar some MM Acrylic Russian Armor Green.  The paint did not adhere well at all to the tank.  It actually ran off in spots, almost like a wash, and in other areas it adhered well.  So I let that dry, and then took a toothpick to mix the bottom of the jar, and some goo at the bottom got lifted up from the toothpick, almost like soft chewing gum.  So I mixed that goo in the jar, and shook it as hard as I could.  Airbrushed it again, but this time it adhered much better, but in some small spots, it still did kind wash off.  The finish was like night and day, but still not what I wanted.  I am using an Anthem 155, and yes I was using a badger propellant can.  I can't afford a compressor at the moment.  I am pretty sure this MM Russian Armor Green had been at the hobby shop for a long time.  Anybody else have this problem?  Do you think it was the primer?  The MM Acrylic paint?  The propellant?  Is tamiya paint better?  Sorry for all of this, but I need some advice. 

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  • From: Goffstown, NH
Posted by New Hampshire on Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:13 PM

Did you reduce your paint?  I ask because you said you used the paint straight out of the bottle.  All paint, unless specifically made for airbrushing, requires reducing it.  As for the clumps at the bottom, that is usual for any paint sitting around for even a moderate amount of time.  This is why you must mix thoroughly.  What I do is start by giving the bottle a good shake for a minute, open, stir really good with a toothpick (make sure you get all the way down to the bottom and scrape good), replace lid, shake again for a couple minutes.  Pour into paint cup and reduce.  If indeed you are reducing the paint it sounds like you may be using too much reducer.

Brian

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Posted by Levon on Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:32 PM

Brian,

I did not use any thinner.  I have MM Acrylic thinner.  I should have probably used that am I right?  how much would the ratio be in regards to paint and thinner?  I am assuming the thinner will help it adhere and dry faster. That is probably why it was so loose on the paint.  Thanks Brian.

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  • From: Goffstown, NH
Posted by New Hampshire on Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:51 PM

Hey Levon,

A general number usually thrown out there for a ratio is 1:3, sometimes 1:2 if your paint is really thick, but this is ONLY a guidline.  It takes some trial and error, but eventually it becomes second nature.  Your using acrylic thinner is correct for acrylics (obviously enamels you use laquer thinner).  My guess is that when you did not fully mix the paint and added your thinner you watered down what was already colored "water", so-to-speak, this you got serious running.

Brian

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  • From: Maryland
Posted by usmc1371 on Sunday, May 31, 2009 10:12 PM

MM Acryl is airbrush ready.  If you thin it 1:3 or 1:2, you'll get horrible results.  The thinner should be used very sparingly.  The only time I use the thinner is for fine line work.  I agree you probably didn't mix the paint well the first time.  Try again, without thinning, and see how it works for you. 

-Jesse

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Posted by ABARNE on Sunday, May 31, 2009 11:24 PM

 usmc1371 wrote:
MM Acryl is airbrush ready.

I've heard enough people make that claim to believe that Testors' may have indeed produced some airbrush ready Acryls.  However, out of the handful of MM Acryls that I have purchased, none of the bottles had any indication on their labels that they were in any manner ready for airbrushing straight from bottle.  Additionally, although there is bottle-to-bottle variation on the paint viscosity, none of the MM Acryls that I have ever purchased were suitably thin for airbrushing straight from the bottle.

Andy

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  • From: Goffstown, NH
Posted by New Hampshire on Monday, June 1, 2009 6:04 AM
 ABARNE wrote:

 usmc1371 wrote:
MM Acryl is airbrush ready.

I've heard enough people make that claim to believe that Testors' may have indeed produced some airbrush ready Acryls.  However, out of the handful of MM Acryls that I have purchased, none of the bottles had any indication on their labels that they were in any manner ready for airbrushing straight from bottle.  Additionally, although there is bottle-to-bottle variation on the paint viscosity, none of the MM Acryls that I have ever purchased were suitably thin for airbrushing straight from the bottle.

Andy

My experience with MM acrylic is sparse, but I too have found it not airbrush ready.  In fact, I have used the same Russian Armor green as was stated, and it needed reducing just like the Tamiya's I norimallly use.

Brian

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Posted by Levon on Monday, June 1, 2009 10:08 AM
Okay, I added 91% Rubbing Alcohol to an empty jar and then the Russian Armor Green.  It was a ratio of 80% paint and 20% rubbing alcohol.  I airbrushed it, and it looked amazing.  Nice clean finish, dried fast, and left a nice hard clean finish once it had dried.  The funny thing is, I tried the same thing but with Testors Acrylic thinner, and it was runny, and took forever to dry.  I don't know if the thinner was old because it had virtually no odor.  The rubbing alcohol which was ten times cheaper worked much better than the $9 acrylic thinner from testors. 
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Posted by usmc1371 on Monday, June 1, 2009 5:53 PM

Hmmm, strange.  I've used them for years.  Never had to thin for base coverage.  Like I said before, for fine line I thin a little.  I've been using an Aztek airbrush, Badger 100g, and Paasche H all around 15 psi.  Maybe I live in some strange universe or something.  Anyway, whatever works for you, do it.  I know what works for me...

 

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  • From: Fort Worth, TX
Posted by RESlusher on Tuesday, June 2, 2009 12:42 PM

I used the MM Acryllic "Israeli Armor Sand" over the weekend to base coat my Academy Merkava III and shot it straight out of the bottle.  No thinning at all.

I must therefore concur with my esteemed colleague from the Corps!  :)

Richard S. 

Richard S.

On the bench:  AFV Club M730A1 Chaparral

On deck:  Tamiya Marder 1A2

In the hole:  Who knows what's next!

 

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Posted by thespaniard180 on Monday, June 22, 2009 8:08 PM
I airbrush MM acrylics straight out of the bottle, but I do suffer from tip dry (I know you didn't ask about that, but I thought I'd mention it).
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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:04 AM
 ABARNE wrote:

 usmc1371 wrote:
MM Acryl is airbrush ready.

I've heard enough people make that claim to believe that Testors' may have indeed produced some airbrush ready Acryls.  However, out of the handful of MM Acryls that I have purchased, none of the bottles had any indication on their labels that they were in any manner ready for airbrushing straight from bottle.  Additionally, although there is bottle-to-bottle variation on the paint viscosity, none of the MM Acryls that I have ever purchased were suitably thin for airbrushing straight from the bottle.

Andy

When I used them most could be airbrushed straight from the bottle unless you were spraying at real low pressures. I normally thinned them about 3:1 but gave up using them as I did not like their adhesion problems.

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:08 AM

 thespaniard180 wrote:
I airbrush MM acrylics straight out of the bottle, but I do suffer from tip dry

That's the nature of the beast with acrylics.

Learn to pick the paint off the needle tip with your fingernails as you paint or use a Q-tip moistened with thinner and stick it into the aircap and clean off the needle tip now and thenWink [;)]

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Popcop45 on Saturday, June 27, 2009 7:38 PM

 Levon wrote:
Okay, I added 91% Rubbing Alcohol to an empty jar and then the Russian Armor Green.  It was a ratio of 80% paint and 20% rubbing alcohol.  I airbrushed it, and it looked amazing.  Nice clean finish, dried fast, and left a nice hard clean finish once it had dried.  The funny thing is, I tried the same thing but with Testors Acrylic thinner, and it was runny, and took forever to dry.  I don't know if the thinner was old because it had virtually no odor.  The rubbing alcohol which was ten times cheaper worked much better than the $9 acrylic thinner from testors. 

I am glad I read this. I hav'nt air brushed since the mid 90's and don't remember thining out the paint. I will be using Testors not MM acrylic paints. I am gonna try the alcohol thing. My project is a difficult one. A NYPD car from the 1960's. Complex tri-color paint sceme including white top and a very hard to find green. 

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