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My First Compressor
Posted by P mitch on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 6:50 AM

I've finally got tired of messing about with cans and tyres etc and now I'm looking to get my first compressor. I'm not looking to go over board as I dont do that much painting but I'm wondering what the experts here think about this one

Taken from our good friends at ebay. I know the airbrushes will be rubbish but I have a Badger 200 which I'm happy with. I'm just wondering if this "looks" ok for my first, its cost is about £80. If anyone wants the link I can send that later if that will help. Its descibed as a single cylinder compressor so not sure if I'd need anything extra but sure someone can tell me that here! Thanks in advance

"If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: it's all balls." R J Mitchell


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  • From: Windy city, US
Posted by keilau on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:40 AM
 P mitch wrote:

I've finally got tired of messing about with cans and tyres etc and now I'm looking to get my first compressor. I'm not looking to go over board as I dont do that much painting but I'm wondering what the experts here think about this one?

Taken from our good friends at ebay. I know the airbrushes will be rubbish but I have a Badger 200 which I'm happy with. I'm just wondering if this "looks" ok for my first, its cost is about £80. If anyone wants the link I can send that later if that will help. Its descibed as a single cylinder compressor so not sure if I'd need anything extra but sure someone can tell me that here! Thanks in advance

It is hard to tell a compressor from a picture. It looks like one of the made-in-China compressor. The £80 price is somewhat expensive compared to price of similar unit in the US.

Most of the low cost airbrush compressors sold around the world are either made by Sparmax in Taiwan or various factories in China. I like the Sparmax compressors because of their established track record. You can find them easily in UK at very reasonable price. Sparmax used to make the compressors for Iwata, Paasche, among others. But it may have changed now.

Many dealers are switching to Chinese manufacturers for the lower end models. You can tell because the Chinese makers double the horsepower quote (but not more powerful motor) for similar compressor. For example, a single piston compressor is 1/8 HP from Taiwan and 1/5 HP from China. Similarly, twin piston compressors are 1/6 vs. 1/3 HP.

Look for these items in the spec:

1. Noise level. The lower the better, but not to exceed 59 dB.

2. Flow rate (L/min) must be specified with pressure (BAR or psi). 25 Litres/min at 4 BAR will be quite good. Stating max flow rate and max pressure separately is typical trick to inflat spec.

3. Auto on-off. If it switches off at 5.5 Bar or higher, it is good. If 4 Bar or lower, not good.

4. Manufacturer's name. It will tip off the reliability of the compressor.

Ask the seller/dealer about their return policy. If they have a good return policy and after sales support (repair, parts, etc.), the Chinese compressor may be worth a try. There are many different factories in China turning out airbrush and compressor and the quality varies a lot. But they are usually cheaper than the Taiwan made ones. For example, Paasche changed sourcing their DA400R compressor from Taiwan to China two years ago as well as Airbrush Depot in the US. It is an indication that some Chinese factories are improving their quality control to meet foreign market requirements. But the durability record is waiting to be verified.

When you take the compressor home, check how quiet it is. A quiet running compressor is usually a sign of quality made. You should be able to talk to your family and friends in normal voice when the compressor is running. Normal conversation in home or office is about 65 dB. So the compressor noise should be -6 dB down or about 59 dB or lower. You can still hear it, but it is not distributing to you. Return the compressor if it is noisy or it gets too hot quickly after short usage.  You should be able to keep your hand on the compressor cylinder after 30 minutes of intense use. A powerful motor and a cool cylinder is another sign of quality.

Come back in 6 months to tell us if you keep and are still happy with the compressor.

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  • From: England
Posted by P mitch on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 8:01 AM

Thanks for the advice, as its ebay I've dropped them a line and I'll let everyone know when I get a reply. I'm guessing the price is a little but up as they are putting the 2 airbrushes in too. Here is the link in case anyone wants to take a look too

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350209269117&_trksid=p2759.l1259

 

Again thanks for the help so far

"If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: it's all balls." R J Mitchell


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Posted by Spike190 on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 9:14 AM
Hi P mitch,
That looks very much like the Airjet75 which you can find at "custom paint shop.com" for £65. I Have the Airjet75plus which Im very pleased with, seems quiet enough although I can still hear the Mrs!! You can find what looks the same at "everything airbrush.com". The AB-AS18 for £63 or the one like mine ( which has a 3ltr tank) for £88. I prefer having the tank as I believe you get a more reliable Air supply and of course its not running so much. Sorry I cant post any links, Im doing this on my phone and I aint that clever. Hope it helps.
Good luc..

Mike  Toast

 

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  • From: UK
Posted by Jon_a_its on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 9:32 AM
HI
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I did what you did, started small, & moved up, the type you list I thought was too noisy for me, esp if you have little ones in da house...
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If there is no mfr listed it is a copy!
look for Devilbiss, Iwata, Sil-air as named brands, but again diafram compressors are noisy, & the air 'pulses' not so good for fine work..
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My third (!) compressor was the 'fridge engine type, like the ones below, The U shaped handle is the air resovoir, with regulator, so you can run it at anytime of day or night!
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As usual, caveat emptor, keep shopping around, & don't forget to pop into your local hobby shop when you know that to look for
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Have a look here, for a good pic that shows what to look for, They are happy to demo them as well: http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/quiet-run-compressor/path/ultra-quiet-air-compressors
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  • From: Windy city, US
Posted by keilau on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 10:17 AM
 P mitch wrote:

Thanks for the advice, as its ebay I've dropped them a line and I'll let everyone know when I get a reply. I'm guessing the price is a little but up as they are putting the 2 airbrushes in too. Here is the link in case anyone wants to take a look too

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350209269117&_trksid=p2759.l1259

It looks like the typical "make-in-China" package offered by everybody else today. The compressor seems to be one of the lowest power model, not good. Get a better compressor if you can afford it. The price seemed high for a starter compressor.

I am an Iwata Eclipse HP-CS airbrush user. Out of curiocity, I purchased a BD-130 airbrush to play with last year. It turned out to be a pretty decent Iwata clone double action AB. You just cannot expect the precise and smooth control of an Iwata, but the BD-130 is not bad at all when compared to other name brand, mid-range, single action airbrush. The needle is sort of soft like most non-Iwata needles. You need to be gentle with it. You may like the AB's that come with this package. (The BD-130 is a gravity feed. I beleive that the BD-132 is a side feed AB, both from Bida Manufacturing in China.)

This Ebay seller also offer a compressor with tank at higher cost. It may be your better bid to get an workable compressor at "cheap" price. Don't assume that Ebay seller gives the best price. You usually can find it cheaper elsewhere if you know what they are selling.

Also, take a look at the Revell Standard Class Compressor at Wonderland Hobby. Good luck.

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  • From: England
Posted by P mitch on Thursday, June 4, 2009 7:10 AM

Firstly thanks to all who have replied, its helped me a lot. I'm thinking the one below

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/High-Performance-Silent-Airbrush-Compressor-W-Tank_W0QQitemZ300318488175QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Crafts_DrawingSupplies_EH?hash=item45ec60766f&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262&_trkparms=%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A30

may be a fair place to start it covers over all the info I have from you guys but happy to keep looking if others have any ideas.

"If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: it's all balls." R J Mitchell


  • Member since
    April 2004
  • From: Windy city, US
Posted by keilau on Thursday, June 4, 2009 11:44 AM
 P mitch wrote:

Firstly thanks to all who have replied, its helped me a lot. I'm thinking the one below


may be a fair place to start it covers over all the info I have from you guys but happy to keep looking if others have any ideas.

The same seller has a Twin Piston compressor which will be a better deal for just £10 more.

 

In my experience, the higher power motor and the second piston have a bigger benefit on generating more pulsation-free flow than a small airtank. You can check you copy of the July 2008 FSM magazine for the review article on compressors.

The compressor with tank that you picked is a good choice too when comparing its spec to the package with 2 airbrushes in your first post. Based on the spec, it seems to have a more powerful motor. All the cautions and comments in my first post still apply. If the compressor turns out to be hot and noisy, return it to the seller as soon as possible.

 

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