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Posted by James H on Sunday, June 28, 2009 3:48 PM

I'm now trying acrylic rattle-cam primer designed for automobiles. I'm buying 'Halfords White Primer' in the UK. Tried today and works a treat. I usually spray Alclad grey primer, but this is so much easier.

Jim

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Posted by Popcop45 on Saturday, June 27, 2009 5:07 PM
I am starting to paint custom diecast autos. When I sanded my first model I noticed there was no primer underneath the original paint. I will be using acrylic paint simply because I have not found the colors I need in laquer. Would diecast be more in need of a primer than plastic? Or because of the acrylic paint is the primer needed more? 
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Posted by nophster on Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:51 PM
So basically, I don't need primer for every model I build. Got it.
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, June 27, 2009 8:20 AM

which primer is "best"

Seriously...

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Posted by MikeV on Friday, June 26, 2009 10:12 PM
 nophster wrote:

I'm just hoping to get the best possible finish on my kit. If that could be achieved with a primer base, I will buy some. If primer does not really matter in the equation, I'll skip it. The reason is that I have to purchase everything online, so if primer is essential I have to include it in my list or wait for several weeks later on.

Personally I rarely if ever use any primer as I see no need for it on what I build. Now if I were building car models or anything else that may need a paint job that is smooth and flawless I could see where primer would fit in. 

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Friday, June 26, 2009 3:03 PM

Much depends on the plastic and the paint. Adding a primer layer is just that another layer which has to potential to fill in any subtle recessed details.

There are times when I prime. Two specific reasons...I need a primer to get the paint which won't otherwise grab onto the surface without it. Or I am going to weather the model in such a way that I need to show those layers in the paint.

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

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Posted by nophster on Friday, June 26, 2009 1:14 PM

I'm just hoping to get the best possible finish on my kit. If that could be achieved with a primer base, I will buy some. If primer does not really matter in the equation, I'll skip it. The reason is that I have to purchase everything online, so if primer is essential I have to include it in my list or wait for several weeks later on.

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Posted by MikeV on Friday, June 26, 2009 1:05 PM

 nophster wrote:
So do you get a better result with a primer, or would any flat base achieve the same quality of finish.....if done right?

The question is, what are you trying to accomplish with using a primer? 

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by nophster on Thursday, June 25, 2009 11:24 PM
So do you get a better result with a primer, or would any flat base achieve the same quality of finish.....if done right?
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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:26 AM

I've been at this a long time...I simply use a flat white or other appropriate flat color as my primer. In many cases I don't use any primer at all. Primers are typically used for two reasons, to ensure a foundation or base for the color coat to adhere to or to inspect the seams.

I will use Mr Surfacer as a filler more than as a primer...hard to access and expensive so I keep its use to a minimum.

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

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Posted by nophster on Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:26 AM

Thanks guys, I hear ya!

I have easy access to Tamiya primers as Tamiya is the only company that has an agent in my country. The fact that he imports only when I place an order is another point, but at least I don't have to follow up on the shipment every day.

I guess I'll start off with Tamiya and see how that goes. 

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Posted by P mitch on Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:03 AM

Nophster, first welcome back to the world of modeling. I returned about a year ago now and have looked at all area of modeling with a "fresh" eye. On the subject of priming I have found that a fine automotive primer works fine for all paint types. I use a light colour primer mainly white when I'm using a light colour on top and a darker one (grey) with dark colours. If you want to preshade you can use dark primer under a light colour but using black primer will show through too much for me on light colours.

On the make of the primer I just use any thats cheap and generic from an automotive parts store, but then I am still learning. I do leave the primed parts/model for as long as I can to make sure its fully dried.

I will say that online auctions are great for cheap kits but quite often paints and primers are on the expensive side. Also the good people on here are always great with advise and have helped me a lot will all sorts of advise.

Good luck and have fun

"If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: it's all balls." R J Mitchell


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Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 1:21 PM

In my opinion the best primer I have used is Floquil.

As long as it dries well any paint can be painted over any primer. 

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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which primer is "best"
Posted by nophster on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:37 PM

I am very new to modeling, so please bear with me.

I am currently building my arsenal of materials and tools, so I can confidently start my first ever kit without having to worry about missing an integral item half-way. I do not have access to modeling supply shops in my country so everything has to be purchased online, so there is always a lead time of several weeks, at least. 

Which primer should be investing in? There are so many, and I am very confused. I have some Tamiya acrylics and on expert advice, will soon be purchasing Vallejo Model paints as well. Can one brand of primer be used with another brand's paint? Does it matter if I am using acrylics or enamel? Is Mr Surfacer also a primer? Is it recommended? How much primer should be expecting to use in building a typical 1/48 or 1/32 aircraft? Is the primer used on the smaller parts also, like the cockpit components or only on the lager parts, like the fuselage?

Tamiya offers both white and gray primers. When should I use either? 

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