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Choosing a compressor
Posted by MikeS71 on Friday, July 31, 2009 11:37 AM

So I realized very quickly that I shiould have just gotten the compressor from the start...  those Propel can are awful!  Now I need to pick one out and have little idea where to start.  The only ones my LHS has in stock are the Badger 180-10 and 180-12 for about $150 and $180 respectively.  From what I can tell, neither has a pressure regulator and my understanding is you need one?  So assuming that was purchased seperately, say $50-$55 from squadron, the cost is now $200+

 

My question is, is this worth it?  I really would like to keep the price about $150 or less, can anyone make some suggestions?

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Posted by MikeS71 on Friday, July 31, 2009 4:53 PM
So after further searching I think I have found 2 possibilities-  the Paasche D500SR ($130) or the Paasche DA400R ($180)  any opinions?  Leaning towards the D500 mainly because of the price.
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Posted by keilau on Friday, July 31, 2009 4:55 PM

The Badger 180 series compressors are old diaphram driven designs characterized by low power and insufficient airflow. You can do much better with newer design, piston dirven compressors at similar or lower price.

Most of the low cost airbrush compressors sold around the world are either made by Sparmax in Taiwan or various factories in China. I like the Sparmax compressors because of their established track record. Sparmax used to make the compressors for Iwata, Paasche, among others. But it may have changed now.

Many dealers are switching to Chinese manufacturers for the lower end models. You can tell because the Chinese makers double the horsepower quote (but not more powerful motor) for similar compressor. For example, a single piston compressor is 1/8 HP from Taiwan and 1/5 HP from China. Similarly, twin piston compressors are 1/6 vs. 1/3 HP.

Look for these items in the spec:

1. Noise level. The lower the better, but not to exceed 59 dB.

2. Flow rate (L/min) must be specified with pressure (BAR or psi). 25 Litres/min at 4 BAR will be quite good. Stating max flow rate and max pressure separately is typical trick to inflat spec.

3. Auto on-off. A good airbrush compressor should have the automatic stop feature that turns the motor off when pressure reaches 4 BAR and re-start when pressure drops below 3 BAR. It is about 45 psi on and 60 psi off. If the compressor does not have an airtank, the motor will be on only when the airbrush is on. This feature makes the compressor quieter and saves tear and wear of the unit. The compressor should have a maximum pressure of 6-7 BAR or 80-100 psi when the auto switch is turned off.

4. Manufacturer's name. It will tip off the reliability of the compressor.

Ask the seller/dealer about their return policy. If they have a good return policy and after sales support (repair, parts, etc.), the Chinese compressor may be worth a try. There are many different factories in China turning out airbrush and compressor and the quality varies a lot. But they are usually cheaper than the Taiwan made ones. For example, Paasche changed sourcing their DA400R compressor from Taiwan to China two years ago as well as Airbrush Depot in the US. It is an indication that some Chinese factories are improving their quality control to meet foreign market requirements. But the durability record is waiting to be verified.

When you take the compressor home, check how quiet it is. A quiet running compressor is usually a sign of quality made. You should be able to talk to your family and friends in normal voice when the compressor is running. Normal conversation in home or office is about 65 dB. So the compressor noise should be -6 dB down or about 59 dB or lower. You can still hear it, but it is not distributing to you. Return the compressor if it is noisy or it gets too hot quickly after short usage.  You should be able to keep your hand on the compressor cylinder after 30 minutes of intense use. A powerful motor and a cool cylinder is another sign of quality.

 

 

 

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Posted by MikeS71 on Friday, July 31, 2009 9:45 PM

Thanks!  Very informative...  I have looked around and found some pretty negative comments about the Paasch, especially the 500SR (mainly that it is really loud and jumpy)

 

Looking now at the Sparmax AC100 for $150.  Seems pretty decent, any experience with it?

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Posted by keilau on Friday, July 31, 2009 11:16 PM

 MikeS71 wrote:
Looking now at the Sparmax AC100 for $150.  Seems pretty decent, any experience with it?

I would suggest looking at their "Professional Series" of compressors instead. If you are in the US, you can find the Sparmax TC-2000 at Hobby Lobby. It is $210 with the 40% coupon.

The AC100 spec has NO on-off pressures. Does it have the automatic on-off feature? Also $150 seems to be pretty high for a compressor with those spec.

The Sparmax brand of compressors have all but disappeared from US internet airbrush stores. The Sparmax prices at general art supply store are much higher. I don't know what happened to the distributor.

For $150 shipped, the Airbrush-Depot TC-20T is worth a look. The Airbrush City has some good spec compressors too. I don't have first hand experience with these made-in-China compressors, but consider these two dealers to be reliable.

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Posted by MikeS71 on Friday, July 31, 2009 11:50 PM

Yeah, I hadnt even noticed the lack of auto on/off...   found the TC-2000 for $200 from RexArt... think I may order it Monday.

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Posted by nophster on Saturday, August 1, 2009 1:06 AM

May I suggest the Iawta Smart Jet IS 850? I have had no experience with it so far since it is still in the mail, but it seems to have all the features as pointed out. I guess it would also depend on your usage but this one seems to be highly recommended for scale model use. While researching to decide on a compressor, I read only good things about this compressor.

I can see it on Ebay for $226 with free shipping but maybe you can find a good deal for around $150+.

Features (off the website):

The Smart Jet has a Powerful 1/8 hp motor that features auto shut-off, air regulator, moisture trap with filter and gauge, airhose and built in airbrush holder.

Intelligent Power: Featuring Iwata's Smart Technology, the Smart Jet compressor is perfect for the occasional and professional artist doing general airbrush applications. It's commonly used for nail art, body art, bakery, hobbies and auto paint applications. It's powerful, compact, reliable and quiet.

  • Compressor shuts itself off automatically when not in use 
  • Zero-maintenance, oil-less piston air compressor
  • Built-in airbrush holder
  • Extra hose for enhanced moisture separation
  • Moisture filter also prevents pulsation
  • Mounted air pressure gauge
  • Bleed valve airflow adjustment to lower air pressure
  • High-strength polyurethane hose fits Iwata airbrushes
  • On/off switch
  • Size: 10 x 7 x 6 in. (25 x 18 x 16 cm)
Smart Jet Technology 
  • Less heat-related moisture build-up
  • Produces full-capacity air on demand
  • Reduces running time
  • Less motor wear means longer compressor life
  • Inherently quieter in public environments

 

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Posted by M1 A1 A2 Tanker on Saturday, August 1, 2009 2:26 AM

Hi

  Mike

 

      Why not try this one?

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00915310000P?adCell=W3

 

This is the one I use. It is very loud while charging (about 2 minutes) but then is totally silent and does hold enough air for about 1 painting session. It comes with a regulator built in and you can buy an additional moisture trap for about 12 bucks.

 

Just my My 2 cents [2c].

 

Scott

 

 

 

“Computers are like Old Testament gods; lots of rules and no mercy.”  ~ Joseph Campbell

 

 

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Posted by keilau on Saturday, August 1, 2009 7:12 AM

 nophster wrote:
May I suggest the Iawta Smart Jet IS 850? I have had no experience with it so far since it is still in the mail, but it seems to have all the features as pointed out. I guess it would also depend on your usage but this one seems to be highly recommended for scale model use. While researching to decide on a compressor, I read only good things about this compressor.

The equivalent Iwata compressor to the Sparmax TC-2000 is the Power Jet Lite IS-925. The Smart Jet is a very nice compressor too, but much lower in power, less airflow and lower steady pressure.

Sparmax used to make the Smart and Power series of compressors for the Iwata brand, but I am not sure if they still do or not today.

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Posted by keilau on Saturday, August 1, 2009 7:25 AM
 M1 A1 A2 Tanker wrote:
Why not try this one?

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00915310000P?adCell=W3

This is the one I use. It is very loud while charging (about 2 minutes) but then is totally silent and does hold enough air for about 1 painting session.

It is an oil lubricated compressor. I have a Sears compressor with the same motor, different tank at home. It works very well for jobs around the house. But I worry about the oil mist from the pump, which is needed for the air tools but very bad for airbrush painting. I have not figure out what type (specific links needed) of oil filter/trap is good for airbrushing with oil lube compressor.

Sears sells compressors with 5 or 7 gallons airtank using the same compressor motor. It will take longer to fill, but last longer too when the motor is off.

It comes with a regulator built in and you can buy an additional moisture trap for about 12 bucks.

Just my My 2 cents [2c].

Scott

$12 for a moisture trap is an excellent price. A link?

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Posted by MikeS71 on Saturday, August 1, 2009 9:49 AM

The comparable Iwata to the Sparmax looks to be $100 more for the power jet and $30 more for the smart jet.  As far as the Sears compressor, ideally I would go with something like that but I do a lot of my work inside and at night, my wife would probably kill me!

 

The TC-2000 is looking like the winner for the $200 price!

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Posted by keilau on Saturday, August 1, 2009 12:07 PM
 MikeS71 wrote:

The comparable Iwata to the Sparmax looks to be $100 more for the power jet and $30 more for the smart jet.  As far as the Sears compressor, ideally I would go with something like that but I do a lot of my work inside and at night, my wife would probably kill me!

The TC-2000 is looking like the winner for the $200 price!

If money is no objection, this is one Iwata compressor I wouldn't mind getting.

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Posted by M1 A1 A2 Tanker on Saturday, August 1, 2009 7:02 PM
 MikeS71 wrote:

The comparable Iwata to the Sparmax looks to be $100 more for the power jet and $30 more for the smart jet.  As far as the Sears compressor, ideally I would go with something like that but I do a lot of my work inside and at night, my wife would probably kill me!

 

The TC-2000 is looking like the winner for the $200 price!

 

I'm with you on the wife killing us part. (mine would too!) That is why I charge it during the day if I plan to paint at night. Call it precharging if you like.

 

See Ya

Scott

P.S. I have never had problems with oil anything with this compressor. But it also has not seen a great deal of use. YET!!!

 

 

 

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Posted by MikeS71 on Monday, August 3, 2009 12:10 PM

Just an update...  over the weekend I ordered the TC2000 from RexArt for $199 shipped...  then got a phone call from them this morning saying that it was a "special order" and they could not process it until I guaranteed I would not cancel or return the item. (This despite it being listed as "in stock"

 Um, well, I cannot guarantee I will not return a defective product and since I dont want to have to deal with a manufacturer in Taiwan in that event, thanks but no thanks... CANCEL

 

Found it from another supplier (Madison Art), $10 more but we will see how that goes, ordered it an hour ago!

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Posted by keilau on Monday, August 3, 2009 1:02 PM
 MikeS71 wrote:

Just an update...  over the weekend I ordered the TC2000 from RexArt for $199 shipped...  then got a phone call from them this morning saying that it was a "special order" and they could not process it until I guaranteed I would not cancel or return the item. (This despite it being listed as "in stock"

 Um, well, I cannot guarantee I will not return a defective product and since I dont want to have to deal with a manufacturer in Taiwan in that event, thanks but no thanks... CANCEL

Found it from another supplier (Madison Art), $10 more but we will see how that goes, ordered it an hour ago!

The 40% off coupon is on at Hobby Lobby this week.

If your closest HL store is out of the TC-2000, the manager can order it for you. No commitment or obligation. Just wait till the next coupon before you pick it up. The return policy at HL is very consumer friendly, and so are their staffs.

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Posted by MikeS71 on Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:47 PM
Just a final update...  Ordered the compressor at noon Monday, got it at noon Wed., Started using it tonight and it is awsome!!  VERY quiet, great ability to adjust the pressure...  now I just have to work on my skills...  I tried to preshade but ended up covering all of it!  Maybe next time!
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