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please help !!!!with airbrush/compressor choice for 1/72 scale armor for noob

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please help !!!!with airbrush/compressor choice for 1/72 scale armor for noob
Posted by pyrrhus on Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:32 PM

I am driving myself nuts with the choices out their ,so sorry if this has been asked before . What airbrushes and compressor do you recommend for small scale armor (1/72 , 15mm 1/76) camo schemes and general painting .I am new to airbrushes and live in an APT so I need a quiet one .On top of all that I have a limited budget (like 200-250) maybe 300.what should I get guys ? HELP!!! Thanks

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Posted by tyamada on Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:35 AM

The scale doesn't matter when it comes to a compressor, it's the output.  Here is a link to one you can get at Harbor Freight, either at a local retail store or order it online. It's supposed to be q quiet one.

Link: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93657

 

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Posted by keilau on Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:50 AM
 tyamada wrote:

The scale doesn't matter when it comes to a compressor, it's the output.  Here is a link to one you can get at Harbor Freight, either at a local retail store or order it online. It's supposed to be q quiet one.

Link: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93657

If you must get an airbrush compressor from the Harbor Freight, get at least their 100 psi compressor.

I usually avoid Harbor Freight when I need a compressor.

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Posted by pyrrhus on Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:39 PM
Well I need quiet compressor as I live in an Apartment building and I dont want to get kicked out .I  have pretty much decided on Badger as an airbrush choice I was interested inthe new 105 patriot .Are the compressors from harbor feight really quiet ? do they work well ? what else do you suggest?
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Posted by keilau on Sunday, August 23, 2009 7:28 AM

 pyrrhus wrote:
Well I need quiet compressor as I live in an Apartment building and I dont want to get kicked out .I  have pretty much decided on Badger as an airbrush choice I was interested inthe new 105 patriot .Are the compressors from harbor feight really quiet ? do they work well ? what else do you suggest?

Most of the low cost airbrush compressors sold around the world are either made by Sparmax in Taiwan or various factories in China. I like the Sparmax compressors because of their established track record. Sparmax used to make the compressors for Iwata, Paasche, among others. But it may have changed now.

Ask the seller/dealer about their return policy. If they have a good return policy and after sales support (repair, parts, etc.), the Chinese compressor may be worth a try. There are many different factories in China turning out airbrush and compressor and the quality varies a lot. But they are usually cheaper than the Taiwan made ones. For example, Paasche changed sourcing their DA400R compressor from Taiwan to China two years ago as well as Airbrush Depot in the US. It is an indication that some Chinese factories are improving their quality control to meet foreign market requirements. But the durability record is waiting to be verified.

When you take the compressor home, check how quiet it is. A quiet running compressor is usually a sign of quality made. You should be able to talk to your family and friends in normal voice when the compressor is running. Normal conversation in home or office is about 65 dB. So the compressor noise should be -6 dB down or about 59 dB or lower. You can still hear it, but it is not distributing to you. Return the compressor if it is noisy or it gets too hot quickly after short usage.  You should be able to keep your hand on the compressor cylinder after 30 minutes of intense use. A powerful motor and a cool cylinder is another sign of quality.

In the July 2008 issue of FSM, there was an article on compressor reviews.

Look for these items in the spec:

1. Noise level. The lower the better, but not to exceed 59 dB.

2. Flow rate (L/min) must be specified with pressure (BAR or psi). 25 Litres/min at 4 BAR will be quite good. Stating max flow rate and max pressure separately is typical trick to inflat spec.

3. Auto on-off. A good airbrush compressor should have the automatic stop feature that turns the motor off when pressure reaches 4 BAR and re-start when pressure drops below 3 BAR. It is about 45 psi on and 60 psi off. If the compressor does not have an airtank, the motor will be on only when the airbrush is on. This feature makes the compressor quieter and saves tear and wear of the unit. The compressor should have a maximum pressure of 6-7 BAR or 80-100 psi when the auto switch is turned off.

4. Manufacturer's name. It will tip off the reliability of the compressor.

I would suggest looking at the Sparmax "Professional Series" of compressors. If you are in the US, you can find the Sparmax TC-2000 at Hobby Lobby. It is $210 with the 40% coupon. Look at recent posts at this forum, you can find two recent purchases of the TC-2000 and happy owners.

The Sparmax brand of compressors have all but disappeared from US internet airbrush stores. The Sparmax prices at general art supply store are much higher. I don't know what happened to the distributor.

For $150 shipped, the Airbrush-Depot TC-20T is worth a look. The Airbrush City has some good spec compressors too. I don't have first hand experience with these made-in-China compressors, but consider these two dealers to be reliable. There had been good feedbacks on the TC-20T compressor, but one recent post indicated problem and resulted in a return.

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Posted by MikeS71 on Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:14 AM
I always like to follow Keilau's post above with this...  I recently purchased a sparmax compressor (after Keilau's advice), the TC2000.  It was $200 shipped from Madison Art (www.madisonartshop.com). It is perfect...  VERY quiet, very adjustable, great output, no complaints.
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Posted by pyrrhus on Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:37 PM
Thanks again for all the info guys !
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Posted by MikeV on Sunday, August 23, 2009 7:03 PM
 keilau wrote:
 tyamada wrote:

The scale doesn't matter when it comes to a compressor, it's the output.  Here is a link to one you can get at Harbor Freight, either at a local retail store or order it online. It's supposed to be q quiet one.

Link: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93657

If you must get an airbrush compressor from the Harbor Freight, get at least their 100 psi compressor.

I usually avoid Harbor Freight when I need a compressor.

100 PSI? Laugh [(-D]

If that compressor puts out 100 psi then my Honda Civic car puts out 400 hp. 

No way! Wow that is funny! Laugh [(-D]

Talk about false advertising! Shock [:O]

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by keilau on Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:41 PM
 MikeV wrote:
 keilau wrote:
 tyamada wrote:

The scale doesn't matter when it comes to a compressor, it's the output.  Here is a link to one you can get at Harbor Freight, either at a local retail store or order it online. It's supposed to be q quiet one.

Link: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93657

If you must get an airbrush compressor from the Harbor Freight, get at least their 100 psi compressor.

I usually avoid Harbor Freight when I need a compressor.

100 PSI? Laugh [(-D]

If that compressor puts out 100 psi then my Honda Civic car puts out 400 hp. 

No way! Wow that is funny! Laugh [(-D]

Talk about false advertising! Shock [:O]

Whistling [:-^]It is all relative. Harbor Freight list 3 airbrush compessors at 30, 40 and 100 psi respectively. The 100 psi compressor is obviously the most powerful one, which looks like the FengHua BiDa made basic model from Airbrush-Depot and BearAir. I have no proof that it is and it could possible a "knock-off" of the "knock-off" compressor. At least, on paper, it is better than the 40 psi compressor that tyamada recommended.

Again, I usually avoid Harbor Freight when I need a compressor.Sigh [sigh]

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Posted by MikeV on Monday, August 24, 2009 12:30 PM
 keilau wrote:
 MikeV wrote:
 keilau wrote:
 tyamada wrote:

The scale doesn't matter when it comes to a compressor, it's the output.  Here is a link to one you can get at Harbor Freight, either at a local retail store or order it online. It's supposed to be q quiet one.

Link: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=93657

If you must get an airbrush compressor from the Harbor Freight, get at least their 100 psi compressor.

I usually avoid Harbor Freight when I need a compressor.

100 PSI? Laugh [(-D]

If that compressor puts out 100 psi then my Honda Civic car puts out 400 hp. 

No way! Wow that is funny! Laugh [(-D]

Talk about false advertising! Shock [:O]

Whistling [:-^]It is all relative. Harbor Freight list 3 airbrush compessors at 30, 40 and 100 psi respectively. The 100 psi compressor is obviously the most powerful one, which looks like the FengHua BiDa made basic model from Airbrush-Depot and BearAir. I have no proof that it is and it could possible a "knock-off" of the "knock-off" compressor. At least, on paper, it is better than the 40 psi compressor that tyamada recommended.

Again, I usually avoid Harbor Freight when I need a compressor.Sigh [sigh]

You have to admit that it is funny the way they false advertise those things though Keilau. 

My Badger Million Air won't put out 100 psi. My Jun-Air will but it is a 1/2 hp motor. 

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by keilau on Monday, August 24, 2009 4:02 PM

 MikeV wrote:
You have to admit that it is funny the way they false advertise those things though Keilau. 

My Badger Million Air won't put out 100 psi. My Jun-Air will but it is a 1/2 hp motor. 

Mike, you are comparing apple to orange again. Wink [;)]

Most compressor vendors (Airbrush-Depot, Airbrush City, BearAir etc.) advertised their low end, single piston compressor as 100 psi at NO FLOW. It is believable. Yes, the pressure drops rapidly when air flows, usually down to 30-40 psi at the rated flow of 0.5 CFM or so. You can call them false advertising, but it is the way the low cost airbrush compressors are spec this day. I have no problem with it as long as the vendor also spec the xx psi at yy CFM. I will call these "100 psi" class compressor the bare minimum to meet modeling needs.

Few of the modeler can afford the Badger MillionAir or the Jun-Air compressor. Bow [bow] They are wonderful tools, just too expensive for the mere mortal. Sigh [sigh]

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Posted by MikeV on Monday, August 24, 2009 5:19 PM
 keilau wrote:

 MikeV wrote:
You have to admit that it is funny the way they false advertise those things though Keilau. 

My Badger Million Air won't put out 100 psi. My Jun-Air will but it is a 1/2 hp motor. 

Mike, you are comparing apple to orange again. Wink [;)]

Most compressor vendors (Airbrush-Depot, Airbrush City, BearAir etc.) advertised their low end, single piston compressor as 100 psi at NO FLOW. It is believable. Yes, the pressure drops rapidly when air flows, usually down to 30-40 psi at the rated flow of 0.5 CFM or so. You can call them false advertising, but it is the way the low cost airbrush compressors are spec this day. I have no problem with it as long as the vendor also spec the xx psi at yy CFM. I will call these "100 psi" class compressor the bare minimum to meet modeling needs.

Few of the modeler can afford the Badger MillionAir or the Jun-Air compressor. Bow [bow] They are wonderful tools, just too expensive for the mere mortal. Sigh [sigh]

No I am not comparing apples to oranges. My Million Air will not produce 100 psi period!

That is including static mode unless you go into the shut off circuit and crank the psi up as can be done with garage type compressors. 

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by keilau on Monday, August 24, 2009 5:52 PM
 MikeV wrote:
 keilau wrote:

Few of the modeler can afford the Badger MillionAir or the Jun-Air compressor. Bow [bow] They are wonderful tools, just too expensive for the mere mortal. Sigh [sigh]

No I am not comparing apples to oranges. My Million Air will not produce 100 psi period!

That is including static mode unless you go into the shut off circuit and crank the psi up as can be done with garage type compressors. 

100 psi is NOT a very high pressure. But it is irrelevant to most modelers because I mostly airbrush at 15-30 psi. It is important that the compressor can provide sufficient airflow at that pressure range. Many of the low end house brand compressor from the better known vendors can do that using the three position on-off-max power swith. The "100 psi" is just a reference designation to allow easy comparison. It is a good reference for known vendors and means absolutely nothing if the seller is a fly-by-night outfit.

My Paasche DA400 takes only a fraction of a minute to go above 90 psi before the auto switch kicks in. I don't know exactly how high it can go because I cannot bypass the auto-off. It takes a bit longer, 2-minutes, to fill the one-gallon tank to 94 psi.

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Posted by MikeV on Monday, August 24, 2009 6:06 PM
 keilau wrote:
 MikeV wrote:
 keilau wrote:

Few of the modeler can afford the Badger MillionAir or the Jun-Air compressor. Bow [bow] They are wonderful tools, just too expensive for the mere mortal. Sigh [sigh]

No I am not comparing apples to oranges. My Million Air will not produce 100 psi period!

That is including static mode unless you go into the shut off circuit and crank the psi up as can be done with garage type compressors. 

Are you for real? I sometimes wonder! I have a Craftsman compressor with a 12 gallon tank that produces 120 psi after running for several minutes and you think these little Harbor Freight toys are going to produce close to that with a tiny compressor that they have? 

100 psi is NOT a very high pressure. But it is irrelevant to most modelers because I mostly airbrush at 15-30 psi. It is important that the compressor can provide sufficient airflow at that pressure range. Many of the low end house brand compressor from the better known vendors can do that using the three position on-off-max power swith. The "100 psi" is just a reference designation to allow easy comparison. It is a good reference for known vendors and means absolutely nothing if the seller is a fly-by-night outfit.

My Paasche DA400 takes only a fraction of a minute to go above 90 psi before the auto switch kicks in. I don't know exactly how high it can go because I cannot bypass the auto-off. It takes a bit longer, 2-minutes, to fill the one-gallon tank to 94 psi.

100 psi is not that high of pressure? For industrial uses it is not but for an airbrush compressor it certainly is.  My Millionaire compressor will NOT go that high..period and it has a bigger motor than the Harbor Freight ones mentioned I believe. Maybe the manufacturer set it lower for whatever reason.  

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by MikeV on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:57 AM

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