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cracked paint
Posted by A10wrthg on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:06 AM
Does anyone know why paint cracks so it looks antique and how to fix it?

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Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:09 AM

What kind of paint and what thinner?

Sounds like an incompatible thinner to the type of paint used.

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Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:59 AM

Paint cracking and leaving a snakeskin-like effect can have a number of causes.

  • poor adhesion to the surface, leading to cracking from shrinkage of the paint as it dries. May be caused by surface contaminants (oily residue from your skin etc),  over-thinning of paint (so much that the paint's binder is degraded)
  • if a primer coat was used but not allowed to cure fully before overcoating with the top coat, the different layers drying at different rates may cause cracking. Allow the primer coat to cure fully before overpainting. Paint in very light coats and allow to cure before overcoating.
  • If the paint was applied too thickly the outer layer may be dry, but may crack due to shrinkage of the inner layer as it dries. Paint in very light coats and allow to cure before overcoating.

In my experience, this sort of cracking happens more frequently using gloss acrylics (I've seen this with Tamiya and Gunze gloss acrylics). I've not seen it happen with flat paints.

As far as I am aware, there is no way to fix this other than stripping the paint and repainting. Simply overpainting will fill the cracks, yes, but will also add thickness to the rest of the paint, meaning that the cracks will still be noticeable.

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Posted by A10wrthg on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:34 AM
I used Tamiya thinner(X-20) and Tamiya acrylics XF-21

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Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:08 AM

Now to be clear, you're using X-20A acrylic thinner and XF-21 Sky and NOT X-21 Flat Base?

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Posted by A10wrthg on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:54 PM
correct I used X-20A  and XF-21 sky

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Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:06 PM
Was the surface clean? That would be my next guess.

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Posted by A10wrthg on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:50 PM
it was it was probably the 1st coat wasnt totally dry

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Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:07 PM

How long between coats? Tamiya paints dry very fast and I have never had any trouble airbrushing a second coat even 10 minutes after the first.

Was the paint put on too heavy? Was this brush painted or airbrushed? 

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Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:58 PM

This sounds rather strange. I've never had this happen with Tamiya flat acrylics, though I've seen it on occasion with gloss.

What did you use for your base/undercoat?

As Mike said above, Tamiya flat acrylics dry very quickly - sometimes within a few seconds when airbrushed thinly, though they do take substantially longer to cure.

The only other thing I can think of at this time is that there may have been some extreme/rapid variation in temperature or humidity which may have caused this effect.

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Posted by A10wrthg on Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:55 AM
about 5 min it was airbrushed it was thinned about 60 40 for thinner

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Posted by A10wrthg on Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:00 AM

I used tamiya undercoat

and I dont think there was that a big of  a dif in temp

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Posted by Phil_H on Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:21 AM
 A10wrthg wrote:

I used tamiya undercoat

When you say "Tamiya undercoat", do you mean the spray can primer or just ordinary Tamiya acrylic paint used as an undercoat?

 

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Posted by MikeV on Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:04 AM

 A10wrthg wrote:
about 5 min it was airbrushed it was thinned about 60 40 for thinner

That's a lot of thinner. I usually thin Tamiya 2 parts paint to one part thinner. 

 

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Posted by A10wrthg on Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:19 AM
acrylic paint ive used it before anf never had a problem with the top coat

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Posted by A10wrthg on Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:20 AM
I usually do 30 or 40 % thinners so it flows well other wise my airbrush clogs

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:44 PM
what psi are you spraying at?

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Posted by Phil_H on Friday, September 18, 2009 12:53 AM

Hmmm, can't figure this out. Everything sounds ok.

I wouldn't put it down to over-thinning - I often use up to 3:1 or 4:1 thinner:paint with Tamiya acrylics and don't have any issues.

Very strange...

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Posted by A10wrthg on Friday, September 18, 2009 7:47 AM
between 20 and 25 psi usually

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Posted by MikeV on Friday, September 18, 2009 1:04 PM
 Phil_H wrote:

Hmmm, can't figure this out. Everything sounds ok.

I wouldn't put it down to over-thinning - I often use up to 3:1 or 4:1 thinner:paint with Tamiya acrylics and don't have any issues.

Very strange...

I agree Phil. I wasn't implying the cracking came from too thin of a paint mixture, I was only saying that is too thin for the average paint for coverage and all. 

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Posted by Phil_H on Saturday, September 19, 2009 1:38 AM

No problem Mike, everyone has their own methods which work for them. Smile [:)]

I'm fast running out of ideas here and we're getting to the "clutching at straws" options:

  • Is the paint new/old? (Under normal conditions, Tamiya paint can be stored for a long time - I have some which are in the 20-25 year old range which work fine)
  • Has the paint been exposed to extremes of heat or cold?
  • Has the paint been thinned for an overly long period (say, more than 2 weeks) before use?
  • Has the paint thickened or been partially dried out in the jar and been  reconstituted by adding thinner? When stirring the paint, are there any strings or lumps which are still there after a few minutes of stirring?
  • Has the paint been thinned with anything other than Tamiya thinner? eg. water, Windex etc
  • Is the cracking localised to a few spots or is it more or less evenly distributed over a large area? If localised, it might suggest dirt/oil on the surface or moisture splattering from your air hose (are you using a moisture trap?).

 

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