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  • Member since
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  • From: Karachi, Pakistan
need help salvaging a BAD paint job
Posted by nophster on Friday, January 15, 2010 12:42 AM

I recently started a Revell's 1/72 Sunseeker Predator 108, a gorgeous boat IMHO. I have just assembled the hull and attempted to paint the sides before I move on to the deck but I really, really messed it up. I would now like to strip the paint and start over.

Would this work: mixing some Windex in a bucket of water and leaving the model soak for a few hours? How much Windex would be enough? Would this weaken the adhesive holding the hull together?

Any other methods? Thanks!

  • Member since
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  • From: Karachi, Pakistan
Posted by nophster on Friday, January 15, 2010 1:31 AM

I forgot to mention I use Tamiya acrylics almost exclusively, without priming.

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  • From: Scotland
Posted by Milairjunkie on Friday, January 15, 2010 4:13 AM

Windex / Windolene or some other similar ammonia containing cleaner, Oxi-Clean, brake fluid or alcohol. leave the model soaking in either of the above for a few hours, checking occasionally & use a toothbrush to get the paid out of ridges & the like.

I haven't used Oxi-Clean, but hear that it is pretty fast & efficient?

  • Member since
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  • From: Karachi, Pakistan
Posted by nophster on Friday, January 15, 2010 8:32 AM

Thanks for the reply.

The boat is around 16 inches in length so I would need a substantial amount of ammonia solution, immerse the model upright in the bucket. I guess its obvious that I would have to dilute with water, can you recommend the approximately correct ratio of windex/ammonia cleaner to water?

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Posted by Bgrigg on Friday, January 15, 2010 8:42 AM

Straight out of the bottle. Windex is basically water, isopropyl alcohol and ammonia. Diluting it further will only weaken the solution.

I buy ZEP brand from Home Depot (and other stores, HD is just the most convenient). It's much cheaper, available by the gallon, works every bit as well, and I save the liquid for the next "less than stellar" paint job.

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Oooops, just noticed you're in Karachi, it might be quite a way to the closest Home Depot!

Windex is approximately 70% Water, 5% Ammonia, and the rest is Isopropyl Alcohol. You could try spraying on the solution and give it a bit of a scrub with a soft brush, rather than soak.

/edit

So long folks!

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  • From: Karachi, Pakistan
Posted by nophster on Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:01 AM

Yeah, acquiring consumable material is not very easy for me. Even Windex is not available, I had to look for it on one of my trips abroad.

So, based on what you said, diluting with water is not a good idea. This means I would require gallons to fully immerse the model. I tried soaking a cloth in thinner and wiping it on the boat, but I just ended up smudging the paint. And its black paint on white styrene.....oh god its so messed up!

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  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:16 AM

In the absence of Windex, denatured alcohol will take tamiya acrylics off faster than you can blink.

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  • From: Scotland
Posted by Milairjunkie on Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:18 AM

Brake fluid is not that expensive & should be easily available to you from an autoparts store, garage or fuel station forecourt. If you know anyone that works in a garage, ask them if they can get some used fluid for you, as brake fluid is often changed at point of service due to its absorption of water & resulting effect on braking performance - most manufacturers recommend a fluid change every year & the average care used about 0.5 > 0.75 L.

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  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:21 AM

Brake fluid is overkill for Tamiya acrylics - all you need is denatured alcohol (methylated spirits). No soaking required, just a rag moistened with it will rip it right off. It's pretty cheap too. Smile

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  • From: Hobart, Tasmania
Posted by Konigwolf13 on Sunday, January 17, 2010 7:22 AM

Can you get 500ml or so of rubbing alcohol or what we call in australia methylated spirits (basically 95%ethanol/5%methanol) cleaning solution. Also oven cleaner (mr muscle in australia) works great on both acyrlic or enamel paint (spray on, put in airtight container 12 hrs, rinse off, all clean)

Andrew

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  • From: Maryland
Posted by usmc1371 on Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:05 AM

I've stripped paint off of ship models before.  Here's a little trick.  Instead of using a bucket, use a waterproof bag.  Using the bag will require a lot less stripping fluid than a bucket.  Windex will strip tamiya paint very quickly.  I usually place the model in the bag, pour in about a half liter of windex then seal up the bag.  Shake the bag around to mix the fluid all over the model for a few minutes.  Take out the model and rinse.  Works everytime for me.

-Jesse

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  • From: Karachi, Pakistan
Posted by nophster on Monday, January 18, 2010 11:55 AM

These are some excellent suggestions! Thank you all so much.

I think the denatured alcohol idea may be the most economical, and Mr Muscle is also available but since it is imported its not very cheap. But if all I need to do is spray it on the model and not SOAK the model in it, I think I can manage that. Where may I find denatured alcohol most typically? Chemist? Hardware supply store? How much should be enough? 500 ml, as Konigwolf13 mentioned?

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  • From: Maine
Posted by PontiacRich on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:51 PM

Most typically Denatured alcohol can be found at a hardware store, paint store or automotive/autobody locations.  Also, try boat building or repair shops.  We use Denatured Alcohol all the time for cleaning epoxy, paint and to prepare wood for glue-ups.

Hope this helps!Smile

Rich - "And when the Band you're in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on the Dark Side of the Moon" - Pink Floyd

FREDDOM

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  • From: Karachi, Pakistan
Posted by nophster on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:27 PM

Thanks a lot, I will get back to you guys if I need any more help.

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