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Drawing pen / pencil for panel lines?

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  • Member since
    August 2006
  • From: Neenah, WI
Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:52 AM

I have a nice set of Leroy pens aka Koh-I-Noor or Rapidograph pens. These pens you fill with India ink which give you tips down to 0000 in size.

When I was a young modeler, one of the mentors was a gentleman who made models the old fashion way, from blocks of wood. All of his panel detail was applied with these pens...including the rivets! He build exclusively 1:72 and his collection was every aircraft the USAAF and USAF had ever flown. From the first Wright Flyer all the way (at the time) XB-70. He was working on such things as the C-5 and F-15, but passed away shortly after I moved away.

In the picture below you can see part of his collection on the left, my modest collection at the time was on the tables on the right. This was taken inside the main hanger at Scott AFB, cira 1974/75

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

  • Member since
    November 2008
  • From: Far Northern CA
Posted by mrmike on Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:04 PM

The bleeding is the result of the aniline dye and solvent used in most marker pens. I haven't used the Micron brand that Hawkeye is working with, so I can't comment on that, but Sharpies and similar "office" pens are bound to bleed thru paint.

What we call India ink is a waterbased product and is available in many colors from craft and art supply stores. It is easily applied with a technical pen with an owner filled ink cartridge, or the nibs that calligraphy folks use to do fancy lettering. They work just like acrylics, but are thinner so they dry faster.

Hope this helps!

mike

  • Member since
    October 2008
  • From: New Jersey
Posted by oddmanrush on Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:30 PM

I've used a fine tipped pen before as a pre shading method and as Rippel said, to my dismay, the ink eventually bleeds through. Perhaps there are better pens to use, such as what Hawkeye has shown. But one thing I can tell you for sure....don't use a Sharpie. I tried that on several models, concurrently, and bled through each one, leaving me with a models fit more for a kindergarten classroom. That experience was bad enough to steer me away from using pens and markers...permanently. Get it? Permanently.....like, permanent marker?.........I digress.

Jon

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Posted by rippel66 on Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:20 PM

If you mean using the ink on the plastic before painting it is called pre shading and it can be done as you describe but I have found that the inks may continue to bleed through and are not able to be covered correctly by the color coats. I have no idea about doing it after you paint.

  • Member since
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  • From: Neenah, WI
Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:19 AM

I'm working on a Hawker Hunter in NMF right now that I found using a wash unsatisfactory to highlight panel lines and inspection panels so I switched over to a marker. Not just any marker, but an Archival Pen. One used to write on photographs. This one is .02 and is black but they are available in other colors as well.

These I picked up at Hobby Lobby, but should be available in other craft stores along with the other drawing (pens & pencils) supplies.

I simply draw where I want, doing a couple of lines of inspection panels and wipe off with a water dampened paper towel. Remember to wipe in the direction of airflow or gravity. Then any streaking (weathering) will look realistic. Lower panels can be done with red to replicate hydraulic fluid seepage and leakage.

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

  • Member since
    October 2007
  • From: Scotland
Drawing pen / pencil for panel lines?
Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:32 AM

I notice that some use a fine pencil to highlight panel lines & was wondering if an ink technical pen (Rotring Isograph) could be used for the same process?

I have black ink, but imagine it would be too stark, so I was considering getting some white ink to make a toned down grey.

Does anyone know if the Indian Ink used in these pens is compatible with modeling paints (Tamiya Acrylic & Future), & if there is anything I should be aware of for doing this.

I did consider pre-shading, but have been less than happy with my previous results, so the model is now in a primed & base coated state, ready for Future, decals & more Future.

Thanks.

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