Difference Iwata HP-C & HP-CS

My regulator is mounted on my spray booth, it's just as easy to adjust pressure, then a device mounted to the airbrush. I see the MAC valve as something fine illustrators would use, more than anyone else.

brickshooter

 

I think it's a feature better used for T-Shirt artists or the auto painters who blast paint 30 - 50 psi on a regular basis, then has to dial it down to 5-12 for detail work.

T-shirt artists have no need for the gimmick the Mac valve is and auto airbrush artists never spray at those air pressures normally.

I've an external MAC vale hooked up to my Badger Velocity.   And to be honest, I don't use it other than the quick release feature, which makes cleaning the brush more convenient.   

The reason is that I already spray between 5 and 12 psi.  That's pretty low. So there's no real need to lower it more with the MAC vale. 

I think it's a feature better used for T-Shirt artists or the auto painters who blast paint 30 - 50 psi on a regular basis, then has to dial it down to 5-12 for detail work.

batai37

Not to derail, but has anyone tried one of these? Without looking at any instructions, I assume you leave your regulator on full blast and use the valve to control the PSI, which would then be reflected on the regulator indicator?

I believe it's just an adjustable orifice or restriction in the air path.  So, without pressing the trigger, no air flows, and pressure in the airbrush will go to whatever the regulator is set to.  And when you press the trigger, air flows and the pressure at the airbrush nozzle will be reduced due to loss in the MAC valve.  I could be wrong.

Don

My CS came with a .5mm needle, but I bought a .35 to play around with for finer work (haven't used it yet). My understanding is some paints don't atomize well with the .35mm needle.

This is the first time I've heard of an air valve controller that can be added to the airbrush itself...seems easier than always reaching for the compressor regulator knob, and more precise. There's even an Iwata-brand one, although it costs more than $10.

http://www.chicagoairbrushsupply.com/iwexmacva.html

Not to derail, but has anyone tried one of these? Without looking at any instructions, I assume you leave your regulator on full blast and use the valve to control the PSI, which would then be reflected on the regulator indicator?

I think that the HP-CH uses a .30 mm setup.  And it has an airvale controller. 

The HP-CS uses a .35 mm setup.  With no air vale controller.  But for $10, one can add an air vale controller/quick release.  

batai37

 

The HP-CS now comes with a teflon needle packing as well. I confirmed this some time ago with  Coast Airbrush. That's one of the reasons I bought it.

Yes, you are right. I should have look at my HP-CS manual closer. It is Parts #13.

keilau

 

DRB:

 

Ive been reading for hours, days and cant find the difference between these two models?

(HP-C & HP-CS) would someone please educate me? Thanks

 

 

The main difference is in the nozzle/needel design.

The Eclipse HP-CS is in the Iwata economic line that uses a cone nozzle of 0.35 or 0.5 mm diameter. It is my main airbrush and I believe that it strikes the right balance between fine paint finish, detail and easy cleaning for modeler.

The HP-C has been replaced by the HP-C Plus and is their High Performance line that has a screw-on steel nozzle of 0.2 or 0.3 mm diameter. The Telfon needle packing is supposed to make it more suitable for solvent based paint used by auto/motorcycle finishers. I do not have one and cannot tell you how it feels and works in my hand. I suspect that it offer finer detail using the 0.2 mm nozzle and is more durable in heavy use.

If interested, you can see an interesting article on the HP-B and its construction.

The HP-CS now comes with a teflon needle packing as well. I confirmed this some time ago with  Coast Airbrush. That's one of the reasons I bought it.

DRB

Ive been reading for hours, days and cant find the difference between these two models?

(HP-C & HP-CS) would someone please educate me? Thanks

My simple answer? If you want to do illustration work or airbrush automobiles and motorcycles with murals then look at the HP-C if you are dead set on an Iwata. If you want an airbrush for modeling then go with the HP-CS for an Iwata airbrush even though I personally recommend Badger products for various reasons.

DRB

Ive been reading for hours, days and cant find the difference between these two models?

(HP-C & HP-CS) would someone please educate me? Thanks

The main difference is in the nozzle/needel design.

The Eclipse HP-CS is in the Iwata economic line that uses a cone nozzle of 0.35 or 0.5 mm diameter. It is my main airbrush and I believe that it strikes the right balance between fine paint finish, detail and easy cleaning for modeler.

The HP-C has been replaced by the HP-C Plus and is their High Performance line that has a screw-on steel nozzle of 0.2 or 0.3 mm diameter. The Telfon needle packing is supposed to make it more suitable for solvent based paint used by auto/motorcycle finishers. I do not have one and cannot tell you how it feels and works in my hand. I suspect that it offer finer detail using the 0.2 mm nozzle and is more durable in heavy use.

If interested, you can see an interesting article on the HP-B and its construction.

http://www.iwata-medea.com/index.php/products/eclipse/