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Best general-purpose metallics?
Posted by dirkpitt77 on Saturday, January 28, 2017 6:55 PM

What's everyone like for metallic paints? I'm looking to upgrade my metallic game from the Model Master Chrome Silver or whatever that is in the bottle, that I usually just brush on. I'm kind of thinking either the Testors Metalizers, or the Alclad range. Something I can buy a 'suite' of 5-6 colors  to work in. If they could be both airbrushed and used with a regular brush that would be a bonus as well. All my metallic colors are 10+ years old. Just those little square Testors bottles is what I have now.

Thanks!

Chris

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Posted by modelmaker66 on Sunday, January 29, 2017 1:32 AM

To be honest, the best metallics are mostly the Model Master metalizers you spoke of or Alclad II but both are lacquer based and airbrushed. There are other lacquer but they are airbrush. There are numerous acrylic lines that would be better for brushing but not as nice a finish as lacquer. Citadel, Vallejo, Reaper to name a few. What are you painting? Aircraft, Figures, what?

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, January 29, 2017 10:56 AM

Are you talking about colors with metallic sparkle, like car paints, or things to do natural metal finish?  For the latter I like Alclad.  Tried MM stuff, but I get better results from Alclad.  Undercoat is critical for Alclad, but if you do a good undercoat, results are great.  I think the MM metalizer is a bit less critical of  undercoat, though.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Sunday, January 29, 2017 3:49 PM

MM buffing metalizer is designed to be used on bare plastic, no primer required.  If you do use primer, you will get a dull finish after buffing.  I have found it gives nice results, but you must seal it with clear coat.  If you don't, the metallic color will be forever rubbing off on the hands of anyone who touches it!

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Posted by dirkpitt77 on Monday, January 30, 2017 12:07 PM

Yeah, sorry, to be more specific, this is for NMF finishes, as well as other metal parts or ship props.

I ended up getting a bottle of Alclad to experiment with. I already had a bottle of their black gloss undercoat. 

In other news, five bottles of paint at the LHS yesterday= $27. Holy crap! 

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Posted by Chuck Davis on Monday, January 30, 2017 8:36 PM

Hi Chris.  For what it's worth, I hand paint details in MM Metalizer all the time - works great.  I airbrush them for assemblies and stuff too.  For overall NMF I use Alclad.

Don't write off the tiny bottles of gold, brass, etc.  I use them a lot for details on WW1 stuff.

And I feel your pain - just ordered $60+ in supplies.  A few bottles of paint and panel wash.  Nothing "fun"

Chuck Davis

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Monday, January 30, 2017 9:59 PM

WARNING WARNING WILL ROBINSON!! Make sure to test the Alclad gloss back primer to make sure it's not from a bad batch they had which will not dry. They corrected the error in newer batches.

I have found that Alclad will produce the most realistic nmf but surface prep is a must to get excellent results. As Chuck said, MM Metalizers are ok but need to be sealed if going to be handled or masked. 

 

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Posted by Gerhard on Tuesday, January 31, 2017 12:32 AM

Try AK Interactive True Metal. Loads of videos on Youtube about them. 

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Posted by jelliott523 on Wednesday, February 01, 2017 8:57 AM

My go-to's for metallic finishes are Alclad II (lacquer) and AK Interactive Xtreme Metal (enamel). They both behave similarly and require a perfect base to achieve the desired effect. The gloss black base, from what I (and others) have found is only required when doing the "high-shine" finishes.

I have also used Ammo of Mig metallic acrylics to some success. They are not as durable as the Alclad or Xtreme Metal; however, if they are used in an area where they are not going to be touched or need to be decaled, they will be just fine. I typically use them when painting the interior of jet engine compressor blades and burner cans.

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Posted by Gregifur on Sunday, February 05, 2017 10:28 PM

dirkpitt77
In other news, five bottles of paint at the LHS yesterday= $27. Holy crap!

Try being in Canada. Three bottles of Alcad (candy base, bottle green and chrome) cost me $48.

The Kenworth I'm building will almost be the same cost as a deposit on a real one. LOL

Although I do realize that I'll be able to use a lot of the supplies on other builds.. but still...

 

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Posted by Liegghio on Sunday, February 05, 2017 11:47 PM

As others have pointed out Alclad generally gives the best finish, but the primer must be perfect. I generally use it for large surfaces that get handled a lot but can't be clear coat sealed.

Modelmaster Metallizers  are OK for smaller or recessed surfaces that may not get touched much and don't need to be masked.

MM can't be masked by anything stickier than Post-it notes.

 Alclad and MM metallics can be brushed on very small surfaces.

 One major trick I found about Alclad is that to get the optimum finish you have to carefully lay it on, applying just barely enough for the finish you want and stopping. If you add extra "for insurance" it will etch into the primer and degrade the shine. You don't need to pile it on for durability because it works by melding into the basecoat.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, February 06, 2017 9:14 AM

Gregifur

 

 
dirkpitt77
In other news, five bottles of paint at the LHS yesterday= $27. Holy crap!

 

Try being in Canada. Three bottles of Alcad (candy base, bottle green and chrome) cost me $48.

The Kenworth I'm building will almost be the same cost as a deposit on a real one. LOL

Although I do realize that I'll be able to use a lot of the supplies on other builds.. but still...

 

 

The saving feature is that Alclad is applied in very thin coats, and you typically get several kits out of a bottle.  My Aclad costs me nearly eight bucks per bottle, but I usually get three or four kits (1:48) from a bottle, so the cost per model isn't that much, compared to PE or resin detail upgrade sets.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Monday, February 06, 2017 9:26 AM

plasticjunkie

WARNING WARNING WILL ROBINSON!! Make sure to test the Alclad gloss back primer to make sure it's not from a bad batch they had which will not dry. They corrected the error in newer batches.

I have found that Alclad will produce the most realistic nmf but surface prep is a must to get excellent results. As Chuck said, MM Metalizers are ok but need to be sealed if going to be handled or masked. 

 

 

I'd skip on using Alclad's gloss black primer. I would use regular Gloss black enamel paint instead.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Monday, February 06, 2017 9:30 AM

I find it funny folks gasp at the prices of Alclad paints, supplies and such, yet you don't blink an eye on a particular kit to buy no matter the cost. ConfusedHmm

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Posted by jelliott523 on Monday, February 06, 2017 11:03 AM

Ditto

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