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Posted by Phil1947 on Friday, January 19, 2018 9:45 PM

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What is it with folks buying hobby stuff from Amazon when you can find them cheaper in various online hobby stores like Squadron.com. I never shop at Amazon due to their ridiculous S&H charges.

No.1: I agree that some of the prices on Amazon are at times above the going price.

No. 2: I'm a Prime member so I don't pay anything for shipping (which is two day)

No.3: I first visited numerous online sites and those that I did didn't have it in stock, which tells me something about it's popularity.

No.4: I'm retired and living on a somewhat meager pension so beleive me that I first and always research for prices, and or reviews before I purchase anything.

No.5: When all is said and done I've personally found Amazon to be a great source on certain items when you wish to only purchase a single item as compared to the cost of doing so, and paying the shipping charges when you do so for a single item on most online hoibby sites (or any site for that matter), but being a Prime member on Amazon negates that concern. 

Last, but not least:

No.6: I'm quite happy with Amazon, but as always one must first do their due dilligent research before they purchase anyhting.

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Posted by templar1099 on Saturday, January 20, 2018 5:41 AM

I like Stylrenz as a primer but find it is a bear to clean up, seems to leave a film, possibly from the poly component.

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Posted by Phil1947 on Saturday, January 20, 2018 9:37 AM

Cleaned up my A/B after using Stylrenz with no problem whatsoever using UMP cleaner. Their airbrush thinner and cleaner is about the only thing I now use for any acrylic paint although when I do a complete strip down I always use lacquer thinner to swab out the the inners and the needle.

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Posted by templar1099 on Saturday, January 20, 2018 11:16 AM

Phil1947
Cleaned up my A/B after using Stylrenz with no problem whatsoever using UMP cleaner


Thanks,will give it a try.

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Posted by Badger45 on Sunday, February 11, 2018 8:24 AM
I also use Tamiya grey primer in the rattle can. Goes on great and I AB with Vallejo MM iver it. Great combo and like you said 40% off coupon at HL :)

 

 

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Posted by Mrchntmarine on Sunday, February 25, 2018 1:49 PM

So now i have a question - 

have been using plastikote and worked good, but...  The last model i used the white plasticote primer and noticed while brusing with tamiya acrylic, it didnt seem to stick well and I had to paint multiple coats.  The last time I used the plastikote, i was using MM enamels and didnt notice this.  The plastikote instructions say to spray 2-3 light coats then topcoat with laquer or enamel.  So...

1) anyone else using plastikote and acrylics and have an issue?

2) according to the directions, does the omission of acrylic mean not to use them w/ plastikote?

3) if the above is not applicable, suggestions as to why the paint didnt brush well w/ plastikote?  Does primer color make a difference re: adhesion?

 

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Posted by the Baron on Monday, February 26, 2018 12:05 PM

Mrchntmarine

So now i have a question - 

have been using plastikote and worked good, but...  The last model i used the white plasticote primer and noticed while brusing with tamiya acrylic, it didnt seem to stick well and I had to paint multiple coats...

That you were using Tamiya acrylics makes it necessary to ask you for some additional info.

First, did you apply the Tamiya paint by hand or with an airbrush?  And second, did you thin it with Tamiya's proprietary acrylic thinner, with some other thinner, or did you apply it without thinning?

I use Tamiya acrylics today with no issues, but I had to learn some things along the way.  I applied them by hand long before I started using an airbrush, and I did not thin them.

I noticed similar problems to what you describe.  I would lay down a color, let it dry, then try to lay down a second coat of the color.  The fresh paint would lift off the dried paint, and it would clump on the brush.  Eventually I read a post somewhere that Tamiya paints are formulated for airbrushing, and are meant to be thinned for use.  I started thinning the paints when hand-brushing, but I tried water, and isopropyl.  Neither worked.  I still got paint lifting, and clumping.  Then I started using an airbrush, and I bought a bottle of Tamiya's thinner, to thin the paint for airbrushing.  That worked best for me, and I also tried it for hand-brushing.  That worked best, too.  I can apply the color by hand and get a coat as thin and fine as if I had airbrushed it.

The only exception to using Tamiya's proprietary thinner, in my experience, is that I can use lacquer thinner, too.  When airbrushing, lacquer thinner gives me an absolutely dead-flat matte finish.  It's no good when applying paint by hand, though, because the thinner is too hot and it ruins the paint already on the piece.

If you're already thinning your Tamiya acrylics with Tamiya's acrylic thinner, then I can't explain why the paint didn't work for you over Plasticote primer.

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Posted by pppmario on Monday, June 11, 2018 2:16 PM

I have a question that is a little weird, but please think a little about it

 

Has anyone used a “dull coat” spray can or AB, as a primer? The reason is a long time ago a friend was painting remarkable figurines and I think he told me that he used dull coat as a primer so he wouldn’t lose details in the armor or face ECT.

Does this make sense? Has anyone done this before?would it work on resin or plastic kits?

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Posted by modelmaker66 on Monday, June 11, 2018 4:11 PM

Why would that be any differen't from primer? Both coat the figure with a liquid that dries on the parts. Both would take up the same spaces on the part depending on the amount sprayed? I loose no detail using Mr. Surfacer , Ak primer or Stynlrez used properly. What are you building 144th scale?

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Monday, June 11, 2018 8:06 PM

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Many answers,none wrong,it's a personal choice.I use Tamiya Extra fine in the rattlecan
 

 

 

I am in Tojos camp. In my case, I decant and airbrush. Horse a piece. 

 

 

Ditto I decant for better flow and control. The Alclad black and grey primers are  also good and so is Mr. Surfacer 1000.

I would stay away from Vallejo and MM Acryl primers, both lift easily having terrible bonding qualities.

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Posted by Phil_H on Monday, June 11, 2018 8:14 PM

Why are y'all buying the Tamiya spray primer and decanting to airbrush? Just buy the bottled Liquid Surface Primer, thin as required and airbrush. 

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, June 11, 2018 9:12 PM

Phil_H

Why are y'all buying the Tamiya spray primer and decanting to airbrush? Just buy the bottled Liquid Surface Primer, thin as required and airbrush. 

 

Yup... 

 

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, June 11, 2018 10:18 PM

I'm mostly using Mr Surfacer and Tamiya's fine surface primer.

I do prefer the Mr Surfacer, especially their Finishing Surfacer (1500) variant.

It's also available in black and that one is by far my favorite primer. 

They can be a bit hard to find where I live, so most of the time I just use the fine Tamiya surfacer decanted from the rattlecan.

It's not as nice as the Finishing Surfacer, but it's easy to find and works very well.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 6:03 AM

SchattenSpartan

I'm mostly using Mr Surfacer and Tamiya's fine surface primer.

I do prefer the Mr Surfacer, especially their Finishing Surfacer (1500) variant.

It's also available in black and that one is by far my favorite primer. 

They can be a bit hard to find where I live, so most of the time I just use the fine Tamiya surfacer decanted from the rattlecan.

It's not as nice as the Finishing Surfacer, but it's easy to find and works very well.

 

Yep, forgot about this one.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 6:06 AM

stikpusher
 
Phil_H

Why are y'all buying the Tamiya spray primer and decanting to airbrush? Just buy the bottled Liquid Surface Primer, thin as required and airbrush. 

 

 

 

Yup... 

 

I also use the bottled grey one. I decant the white one cause I get better control with my air brush and use it under certain colors like red and yellow to cut down on color coats. I can only find the white primer locally in cans otherwise I would get it bottled.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 1:04 PM

The local Hobby Lobby carries the white and gray Tamiya Liquid Surface primers in the bottle. And yes, using the white for the base coat makes for a very vivid top color.

 

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Posted by Buccy67 on Sunday, September 22, 2019 8:37 AM

Do you know if Badger Stynylrez works with Tamyia X and XF paints?

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Monday, September 23, 2019 10:30 AM

Buccy67

Do you know if Badger Stynylrez works with Tamyia X and XF paints?

 

Yes it does and many other paints as well.

 

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Posted by modelmaker66 on Friday, September 27, 2019 4:22 PM

The best imho is Tamiya white spray cans. Great smooth fifnish and never peels with tape but very expensive for small can. It will paint 3 or 4 cars.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, September 27, 2019 4:35 PM

modelmaker66

The best imho is Tamiya white spray cans. Great smooth fifnish and never peels with tape but very expensive for small can. It will paint 3 or 4 cars.

 

That is typical of their spray cans. Just enough in there for a few projects. You can decant it for airbrush use to improve your mileage. Or buy the stuff in the bottles to thin and airbrush more projects. 

But yes, once Tamiya primer dries and cures, it is fantastic stuff. It has the adhesive quality of barnacles... and I do mean that as a compliment.

 

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Friday, September 27, 2019 5:45 PM

I've been using stynylrez for two years now with no issues to speak of. I've successfully cut it with 91 ipa about 10-15% and shot it through a .25 needle for small parts or extra fine detail fwiw. Works the same, very smooth just a bit thinner film. I've shared this with someone in a model car forum so now he is doing the same ( thinning stynylrez just that small amount) and he loves the stuff. We have also used a drop of retarder in it as well . Works great, scuff it with 000 steel wool and you can prep a surface well for a gloss finish coat. The primer will take on a sheen before you spray your gloss paints. For auto undercarriages I use the black Stynylrez straight from the bottle and that's it ( depending on the model and if black is appropriate of course)

I heat set mine usually, it's ready to use in 30 minutes or so depending on weather or cooker setting etc. If air drying I wait a couple of hours but often the way I work it ends up another day anyway.. I've never had a two tone finish lift when pulling even household blue masking tape. Not yet anyway, nor with fine line tape either. So I'm pleased. Thus far I have not recieved dried up Stynylrez, I buy it from Amazon and if I did get a bad batch would just contact them for a return and another batch. Additionally it's always a good idea not to have acrylic paints shipped any distance in mid winter, any of them can freeze. Get your stash in by Dec or after Feb. I got fresh Stynylrez in this summer as I was getting low.

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, October 2, 2019 12:15 PM

SchattenSpartan

...I do prefer the Mr Surfacer, especially their Finishing Surfacer (1500) variant.

It's also available in black and that one is by far my favorite primer. 

Ah, OK, I was not aware of Hobby-san's Finishing Surfacer!

This makes sense now out of a comment one of the guys in our club made at the last meeting, that there was a #1500.  I only knew of the #500, #1000, and #1200.

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Posted by Bob D on Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:31 PM

What is UMP cleaner?

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:19 PM

Phil_H

Why are y'all buying the Tamiya spray primer and decanting to airbrush? Just buy the bottled Liquid Surface Primer, thin as required and airbrush. 

 

The HL by me carries the grey primer in the bottle but the white in spray cans only.

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