Mission Models Paint

Had a question for people who know more than me.  Recently I picked up tire black and NATO Black from mission models paint.  I stirred them both and then shook the crap out of them both before using.  But when I painted them, neither really came out black.  The NATO Black was more of a really dark green and the tire black was like a wet cement color.  Did anyone else come across this?   Did I do something wrong?  

I watched them demo the paint at the Nats, and was impressed.  Their flat clear saved my bacon in the contest room, as I had to make a last minute repair using CA glue.  You know how that goes - you try to be careful but the glue always oozes out.  MMP flat was the first acrylic that I brushed that actually dried flat.

I also love the paint, but I'm curious about their blacks not really being black

Tamiya’s NATO black is also greenish.  I don’t know if that reflects 1:1 reality though, as photos I have seen sure look black.  Tire black should be a dark grey, not straight black.

laskdjn

I also love the paint, but I'm curious about their blacks not really being black

 

I don't how the Mission Model paints are supposed to look, but Tamiya XF-69 NATO Black is black with a bit of green tint. 

I would imagine that Tire black would have a bit of brown tint. 

In the past, I used testors rubber (in the square 1/4 oz jars)  to paint tires. It was a really dark brown color. 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EsCGIHL4jj9Qd67SUOHpNEjkLlMEph3j/view?usp=drivesdk

Or this one.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15uPugK4BdgZbcFaRtZt5WTISZUfbb0Bp/view?usp=drivesdk

Don't know if y'all can see this, but I did a comparison.  In the end is regular black, next in is mission models tire black, followed by mission models NATO black

laskdjn

I also love the paint, but I'm curious about their blacks not really being black

 

Mission Models Tire Black is a bit lighter than Tamiya Tire Black. Both are “dirty” very dark grays. 

As far as real NATO Black goes, it starts out very flat and is a pure black, but when it fades, it fades to a very dark neutral gray. I never saw any take on a greenish hue like the Tamiya color.

stikpusher

Mission Models Tire Black is a bit lighter than Tamiya Tire Black. Both are “dirty” very dark grays. 

As far as real NATO Black goes, it starts out very flat and is a pure black, but when it fades, it fades to a very dark neutral gray. I never saw any take on a greenish hue like the Tamiya color.

 

Mission Models NATO black is the same way

NATO Black is a whole different shade of black as opposed to flat black no matter the brand. So, NATO Black does have a bit of a greyish tone. Tire black is more darkish greyish black like the color of tires - not black.

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

NATO Black is a whole different shade of black as opposed to flat black no matter the brand. So, NATO Black does have a bit of a greyish tone. Tire black is more darkish greyish black like the color of tires - not black.

 

Well, the mission models NATO black is as really dark green, and the tire black looks like wet cement to my eye.

I don't think the pictures I posted links to do it justice

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

NATO Black is a whole different shade of black as opposed to flat black no matter the brand. So, NATO Black does have a bit of a greyish tone. Tire black is more darkish greyish black like the color of tires - not black.

 

Ive spent plenty of time around the real thing in person. When it’s freshly applied, it is a pure black. But it fades, as do the other CARC/NATO colors. Both the Black and Brown will sun fade far from their original spec color given enough time. The Green, not so much. 

As far as the Mission Models Tire Black goes, when I’ve used it, it goes on in a rather light shade, somewhat similar to Polly S/Polly Scale Grimy Black. But as it dries, it darkens. 

laskdjn

 

 

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

NATO Black is a whole different shade of black as opposed to flat black no matter the brand. So, NATO Black does have a bit of a greyish tone. Tire black is more darkish greyish black like the color of tires - not black.

 

 

 

 

Well, the mission models NATO black is as really dark green, and the tire black looks like wet cement to my eye.

 

I don't think the pictures I posted links to do it justice

 

MM NATO Black a really dark green.... impossible. There's no green in that color. I have that color in Mission Model brand. NATO Black does not have any green in it.

Tire black is really similar to what stik mentioned... grimey black.

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

 

MM NATO Black a really dark green.... impossible. There's no green in that color. I have that color in Mission Model brand. NATO Black does not have any green in it.

 

Tire black is really similar to what stik mentioned... grimey black.

 

I have both of those colors and that's what it looks like to me.

The AAVs I operated in the Marines had the tri color CARC scheme in them, and I don't remember the black in the even remotely appearing greenish.  Hence my confusion.

Mission Models released new colors to their line. Check out their Worn Black Grey Tires / Camo. I placed an order on a few colors including Worn Black Grey Tires / Camo.

I have decided to post some pics comparing color palettes between Mission Models Tires Black 1 and Worn Tires Black / Camo. I even threw in another brand for sake of argument - Akah Old Tires Dark Grey (from Linden Hill Imports). 

The 3 colors - Mission Model Tires Black 1, Akah Old Tires Dark Grey, and Mission Models Worn Tires Black Grey / Camo

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Mission Models Worn tires Black Grey / Camo:

Thank you for investigating that.  So worn tire black is actually darker than tire black one

Yes.

Here’s my take..I used Mission Models paints for the first time on my last build (P-40E). Now overall I liked this paint but... I found it doesn’t perform well at low PSI for mottling (I was black basing and painting the little squiggly lines) I kept getting tip drying. Now I started out with the recommended ratios.. 2 or 3 drops of thinner, one drop of poly to 10 parts paint. Now this works good for overall painting but not for fine lines. It also doesn’t like to be thinned way down, it just looses its crap and spiders everywhere. But I do like the color range and the large 1 oz bottles and I will buy more but It just won’t replace my Tamiya paints, I can control Tamiya much more for the fine work like mottling. By the way durability seemed well with Model Mission with no lifting after masking. I primed first with Stynylrez. I also did a small amount of brush painting with it and it performed really well.

The “worn black” looks like a good replacement for the old Floquil/Polly Scale weathered black. Thanks for the comparison.