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Posted by oldermodelguy on Sunday, May 5, 2019 3:24 PM

Today I did another acrylic spray test and just wanted to pass it on since you asked about acrylic and using Vallejo ( I'm assuming Model Air paint and not Model Color paint) earlier in this thread. I put down a thin single coat of stynylrez primer (very slightly thinned) with a .25 needle set. I've never done that with that fine a needle. I shot it 26 psi and it went on beautiful. That dried overnight. Today I took a fresh bottle of Vallejo model air paint and shot on two coats of that straight from the bottle over the stynylrez primer. I've also never done that totally unthinned with a .25 needle set. It went on great at 25 psi.

Just passing on the info. I know that if I continued to spray a larger area with the Vallejo unthinned with no retarder and that needle, eventually it would have tip dried. But for the sake of a test on a prescription bottle that did not occur.

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Posted by Fesan on Sunday, May 5, 2019 4:48 PM

oldermodelguy

Today I did another acrylic spray test and just wanted to pass it on since you asked about acrylic and using Vallejo ( I'm assuming Model Air paint and not Model Color paint) earlier in this thread. I put down a thin single coat of stynylrez primer (very slightly thinned) with a .25 needle set. I've never done that with that fine a needle. I shot it 26 psi and it went on beautiful. That dried overnight. Today I took a fresh bottle of Vallejo model air paint and shot on two coats of that straight from the bottle over the stynylrez primer. I've also never done that totally unthinned with a .25 needle set. It went on great at 25 psi.

Just passing on the info. I know that if I continued to spray a larger area with the Vallejo unthinned with no retarder and that needle, eventually it would have tip dried. But for the sake of a test on a prescription bottle that did not occur.

 

today i picked up some of the vallejo (ended up being model color and didnt notice) and some tamiya Arcylics. I also picked up the thinners i needed for both and the retarder for the vallejo. The rain today been killing me so i havent had a chance to put color in it really. Did play with some water in it to see how it works (wife cant scream about smell when it was water) bonus the stynylrez i ordered showed up today. Got the 3-2oz bottle package from amazon. How did you thin it?

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Posted by goldhammer on Sunday, May 5, 2019 6:27 PM

Just finished a PBY in model color....thinned at a little over 

100% with their thinner.

 

Went down perfectly at around 20 psi out of my .35 neo.

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Sunday, May 5, 2019 7:27 PM

Fesan

 

today i picked up some of the vallejo (ended up being model color and didnt notice) and some tamiya Arcylics. I also picked up the thinners i needed for both and the retarder for the vallejo. The rain today been killing me so i havent had a chance to put color in it really. Did play with some water in it to see how it works (wife cant scream about smell when it was water) bonus the stynylrez i ordered showed up today. Got the 3-2oz bottle package from amazon. How did you thin it?

 

Well the good news is the little bit of odor that comes off Vallejo paints is nothing offensive nor lingering. Stynylrez is pretty much odor free.

Now the wife's fingernail polish stinks the whole house up.

Just fwiw.

I've never air brushed Vallejo Model Color personally but people do. I like the Model Air but I'm sure I could get Model Color spraying well too, I'm sure if craft paints can be made to go down well then MC can too..

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Posted by Fesan on Sunday, May 5, 2019 7:40 PM

oldermodelguy

Now the wife's fingernail polish stinks the whole house up. 

Lol happy wife happy life, I might pay the bills be she rules the house (hate sleeping on the couch). Tomorrow might be nice enough for me to go outside and actually shoot some color. Might try the new primers on spoons and get ready to try base coats and clears just messing around.

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Monday, May 6, 2019 11:18 AM

Good luck. Don't let the brush sit around with Stynylrez in it.

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Posted by Fesan on Monday, May 6, 2019 4:27 PM

oldermodelguy

Good luck. Don't let the brush sit around with Stynylrez in it.

 

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well first spray session with the iwata went interesting. The primer went down nice (from what i can tell being first time using the gun). I used the prethinned paints that came with the iwata red above went ok. Blue looked like hell was spitting and just shitty looking. Yellow was a complete disaster. Wouldnt spray so thinned it with airbrush thinner sprayed for 5-10 seconds then just gummed up completely on me. Lesson learned it sucks to clean gummed up paint out of an airbrush.

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Monday, May 6, 2019 5:11 PM

You want to flush the airbrush between paint colors and paint types. And you want to thin your paint to a consistency similar to that of milk. Some thinners are fairly neutral between brands of paint and others are very specific to it's own brand of paint. FWIW.

Like Vallejo paint will not get along with Tamiya thinner. If Vallejo gets too much alcohol in contact with it it will gel in your airbrush.

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Posted by Fesan on Monday, May 6, 2019 5:15 PM

oldermodelguy

You want to flush the airbrush between paint colors and paint types. And you want to thin your paint to a consistency similar to that of milk. Some thinners are fairly neutral between brands of paint and others are very specific to it's own brand of paint. FWIW.

Like Vallejo paint will not get along with Tamiya thinner. If Vallejo gets too much alcohol in contact with it it will gel in your airbrush.

 

i got some free time on wednesday again go give it a go. Going to give my vallejo paints a shot since i know i got everything that matches for them. Should i mix in the cup or somewhere else? That been plagueing me a little not really sure whats right way. Thanks for primer recommendation though was easy to work with the iwata and dried pretty quickly to shoot a color over it for just messing around. This is really going to take some time to get use too for me nothing like i tried before with paint.

 

just noticed can see the hood of the car dropped in the sand that i have to repair still in the photo lol

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Monday, May 6, 2019 5:30 PM

Ya I saw the hood !

Well, I don't like mixing in the airbrush cup personally. I have various sized mixing cups I like to mix in then dump that into the cup. The exception might be Vallejo Model Air because I maybe using say ten drops and 2 or 3 drops of my thinner in it, then just quick stir that up with my little plastic mixing stick. Course that will spray with no thinner so it's a non issue if it's not 100% mixed to the bottom of the cup.

Model Color is another animal, I would mix that externally and transfer it to the cup. Again, personally.

When you go to use that primer seriously let it sit overnight or so.

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Posted by Fesan on Monday, May 6, 2019 5:41 PM
Today was just messing around with the spoons so wasn't worried about it setting correctly was more play with the shiny new toy and see if i can manage to spray with it. Normally i would prime let it sit 2-3 days due to my work schedule then come back to it when i finally got the time.
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Posted by oldermodelguy on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:30 AM

Fesan
Today was just messing around with the spoons so wasn't worried about it setting correctly was more play with the shiny new toy and see if i can manage to spray with it. Normally i would prime let it sit 2-3 days due to my work schedule then come back to it when i finally got the time.
 

You'll catch on. Just when you thin paint use the right thinner and think someplace between regular milk and 2% milk for fluid thickness/viscosity.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 6:50 AM

Now you know why I‘m not a big fan Vallejo paints. A finicky animal for airbrushing. Oldermodelguy seems to favor Vallejo to you over other brands. There are better paint brands out there than Vallejo. I think you will find them much better for airbrushing than Vallejo.

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:22 AM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

Now you know why I‘m not a big fan Vallejo paints. A finicky animal for airbrushing. Oldermodelguy seems to favor Vallejo to you over other brands. There are better paint brands out there than Vallejo. I think you will find them much better for airbrushing than Vallejo.

 

 

He said the colors he shot that gave him trouble were some that came with his new AB, he didn't say those were Vallejo, he didn't say they weren't Vallejo either. I wonder what brand they are ? They were pre thinned paints but that doesn't always mean a whole lot either. Did he mix them well, set pressure correctly, did it need further thinning ?

It's not that I favor Vallejo, Black Sheep, it's what he mentioned earlier on in this thread ( also in his other thread) and later bought, so that's what I'm talking to him about. He has not shot those yet that I know of though. No, I use some Model Air ( mostly earth and canvas colors) and have no problem spraying it, though it does need a clear coat to help the surface not mar. But I really like Model Master, both enamel and acryl. Also Tamiya. I've never sprayed Model Color paint though and of course the OP bought those.

Right now he has Vallejo thinner, Tamiya thinner, some Vallejo Model Color paint and what ever paint came with his AB purchase and Stynylrez primer. I don't know if he bought any Tamiya paint.

 

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Posted by Fesan on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 8:28 AM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

Now you know why I‘m not a big fan Vallejo paints. A finicky animal for airbrushing. Oldermodelguy seems to favor Vallejo to you over other brands. There are better paint brands out there than Vallejo. I think you will find them much better for airbrushing than Vallejo.

 

i have not tried the vallejo yet. The air brush came with com art paint. (One red one blue one yellow and an airbrush cleaner bottle came inside my guns box.) I also have vallejo model (have not tried yet) very few tamiya paints (have not tried also). I do have tons of testor enamel and model master enamel but again have not tried inside the gun yet. I also have 3 of the badger primers and a tamiya primer also. I only have the vallejo model paints mainly because my area is hard to find the arcylics as much and not always in the mood to drive hour plus to go to hobby lobby for model master acrylics or the model airs they have.

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 11:22 AM

You're going to do fine, don't let your cage get rattled.

ComArt isn't bad paint by the way.

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Posted by Fesan on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 11:47 AM
Not rattled just trying to deal with the learning curve is all. The yellow i know was my fault yesterday was to think added wrong thinner and boom turned to gel. The blue idk what i did wrong it spit color chunks and just looked awful. The red just playing with primed nice sprayed nice and for shits and giggles i sprayed my spray can of testors clear over it. Not going to lie looks good even though i know i was suppose to let layers dry and set. (Honestly since it was on a spoon didnt care about cure times to much)
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Posted by oldermodelguy on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 12:06 PM

Next time you prime and clean your brush with what ever it is you use to clean your brush, follow up with a shot of water through the brush, let it run out till there is no spray. Then mix your blue up real well and after a really good stirring if it still looks a little thick just put a drop or two water in there and mix some more. Shoot that around 20 or 22 psi or so. If it still spits then bump it up to 26psi and see what that does. If it goes on too dry, lower the pressure and move in closer to your item you are spraying.

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Posted by Fesan on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 2:34 PM

What is good to clean the brush with? I got the little bottles that came with some paint and the brush but will need more in the near future.

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 3:20 PM

Fesan

What is good to clean the brush with? I got the little bottles that came with some paint and the brush but will need more in the near future.

 

Ya you can buy bulk cleaner or make your own for acrylics. For solvent based paints I use lacquer thinner, always have even for painting the real thing with full sized guns.

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Posted by Ted4321 on Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:46 PM

There's a lot of helpful answers here.  Thanks guys. Yes

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Posted by Fesan on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 6:08 PM
Added model air to the arsenal tonight
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Posted by oldermodelguy on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 7:36 PM

Fesan
Added model air to the arsenal tonight
 

I think you will like how that MA lays down on the Stynylrez primer. And how it sprays in general as well.

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Posted by Fesan on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 8:18 PM

oldermodelguy

 

 
Fesan
Added model air to the arsenal tonight
 

 

 

I think you will like how that MA lays down on the Stynylrez primer. And how it sprays in general as well.

 

the model air package i got came with a sheet for every vallejo color and if its in the air,model, or game paint series i thought it was kind of neat. Also got 2 really cheap 144 scale f14 tomcats (5 dollars each) that once i feel more confortable with spoons and the gun are going to be guinea pigs for air brushing first models.

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Thursday, May 9, 2019 4:57 AM

Fesan

 

the model air package i got came with a sheet for every vallejo color and if its in the air,model, or game paint series i thought it was kind of neat. Also got 2 really cheap 144 scale f14 tomcats (5 dollars each) that once i feel more confortable with spoons and the gun are going to be guinea pigs for air brushing first models.

 

Nice ! Well good luck with them, 144 is pretty small but hey it beats plastic spoons.

 

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Posted by Fesan on Thursday, May 9, 2019 8:36 PM

How do you make the panel lines a little darker on a plane without it looking like a black line? Do i spray a darker grey along all the seems then put the lighter color over top?

 

also hoping to see that supply ship you spoke of if you ever find one.

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Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:10 PM

You have the basic idea on darkening lines, just mist on your top color till you get the look you want.

Do a search for "preshading".  The other idea is to bring them out with a "wash" .  A very thin color applied over a gloss coat.  After it dries a little, take a damp tissue or q-tip and wipe off the excess.

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Posted by Fesan on Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:50 PM

goldhammer

You have the basic idea on darkening lines, just mist on your top color till you get the look you want.

Do a search for "preshading".  The other idea is to bring them out with a "wash" .  A very thin color applied over a gloss coat.  After it dries a little, take a damp tissue or q-tip and wipe off the excess.

 

if going with a wash i know i have to use an enamel wash since i am going with acrylic paints. After the wash is it save to put acrylic clear over everything?

 

also what is with this pledge i see people speak of for clear? It better the acrylic clears? 

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Posted by DasBeav on Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:55 PM

Fesan
 
goldhammer

 

 

 

also what is with this pledge i see people speak of for clear? It better the acrylic clears? 

 

You'll here Pledge and Future alot around these parts. It used to be Future Floor Wax, Then Pledge with Future Bright, and now it's just Pledge. It's an acrylic floor wax that some modellers use as an alterative to clear coating. I have 3/4 of a bottle left and it's 5 years old. A way cheaper alternative. Somebody out there can explain it alot better than I can. Type Future in the Forum Search and you'll see a million answers.

Great stuff actually. I, myself, use it often.

 Sooner Born...Buckeye Bred.

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:59 PM

Let the emamel or oil wash dry for a couple of days and you should be OK with an acrylic clear.

Pledge is an acrylic floor care product.  Different name there.  Most will dip canopies in it and wick the excess off a corner with a paper towel.  Gives a high shine on clear parts and helps prevent "fogging" if they are glued with CA.

Can also be used as a gloss coat over matt paint prior to decals, then a matt clear over that for the flat finish typical on aircraft or armor.  

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