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Posted by xedos on Friday, September 6, 2019 10:26 PM

I have some limited experience with Italeri paints and I like them. Got them on clearance at the LHS mainly because the colors matched what I was working on at the time. 

They do need thinning for airbrushing. Vallejo thinner and Airbrush cleaner both will do the job. I used 1:1 ratio of thinner , less on the cleaner. do not get the stuff anywhere alcohol based products or you'll have a mess.  I have been told Vallejo makes this stuff. Seems reasonable given their thinner works fine and the Italeri paint looks and acts very close to Model Color which I also use.

Sprayed well for me in Iwata hp-a .2mm, Iwata hp-c .3mm and a Badger 150 with a medium needle.  

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Posted by Les.61 on Thursday, May 23, 2019 5:57 PM
I live in Australia so do not have a Hobby Lobby. Have some hobby shops but few are far between and normally have to have delivered. Other option is buy overseas on ebay and pay the expensive freight.
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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Thursday, May 23, 2019 6:00 AM

Les.61

Thanks for all the info. Might just have to save up for a new airbrush or ask my wife nicely for one at Christmas Big Smile

 

Or get one at your local Hobby Lobby. You can pick up a decent one with a 40% coupon for less than $100.

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Posted by Les.61 on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 8:13 PM

Thanks for all the info. Might just have to save up for a new airbrush or ask my wife nicely for one at Christmas Big Smile

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 11:25 AM

That rig is designed to spray basically dyes and thin liquids like food grade coloring. It might spray real thin lacquer ok since nail polishes are basically lacquer. It's not just the nozzle but the compressor capacity that would hickup on acrylics. If he tries to continue with this, he will have to find a fine line between acrylic wash and opaque coverage, the paint will have to be quite thin. I don't care for how acrylic performs when thinned that far but some folks do it intentionally and put on about 5 coats before it starts to cover. And I/we have no idea if his brand paint would hold up thinned out like that. Many paint brand acrylic thinners have some of the acrylic base in them so that when you thin a lot it still keeps it's bond. You can really stretch the thinning process if so. Water won't do that.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 9:37 AM

Greg

At .3mm, your airbrush needle/nozzle is pretty small for acrylics. I think you can make this airbrush work, but the small nozzle is making this harder than it probably needs to be.

Also, and I'm sorry again to keep throwing out more trouble, but pulling out the needle and cleaning it isn't good enough. Like Bakster said and I mistyped and forgot to say, you need to strip (tear apart) your airbrush, clean it piece by piece, and reassemble it. When trouble like you are having happens, there really is no alternative IMO.

 

I agree with Greg....

As I said, the a/b he was using is really suited strictly for cake decorating or body and nail painting - not for airbrushing model kits. 

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 9:27 AM

At .3mm, your airbrush needle/nozzle is pretty small for acrylics. I think you can make this airbrush work, but the small nozzle is making this harder than it probably needs to be.

Also, and I'm sorry again to keep throwing out more trouble, but pulling out the needle and cleaning it isn't good enough. Like Bakster said and I mistyped and forgot to say, you need to strip (tear apart) your airbrush, clean it piece by piece, and reassemble it. When trouble like you are having happens, there really is no alternative IMO.

-Greg

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:46 AM

Les.61

The air brush is a Voilamart 

https://www.voilamart.com/beauty-personal-care/air-brush-compressor-kit/voilamart-airbrush-compressor-kit-7cc-0-3mm-spray-gun-hose-with-carry-bagfor-paint-cake-art.html

I have tried again this morning and used water as a thinner and it has worked OK but I might have had it a bit too thin. Just trial and error I suppose.

I pulled the needle out and it did have some dried paint so have cleaned it. Just found that Voilamark recommend Methylated Spirits to clean after acrylics.

After each use I plunge the airbrush into water and back wash and run until the water runs through clean. I was always worried about how difficult it was to pull the airbrush apart but does not look as daunting as I thought.

Thanks for all the comments. Smile

 

I honestly believe that brand is more suited for nail painting, cake decorating than everyday hobby uses. The type of thinner recommended will not work for other brands of paint or even enamels. I did read it says can be used for model paints but I really don’t think it is. I call it false advertising. Get a good airbrush best suited for airbrushing acrylics and enamels like a Badger, Paasche or whatnot.

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 4:46 AM

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Posted by Les.61 on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 8:56 PM

The air brush is a Voilamart 

https://www.voilamart.com/beauty-personal-care/air-brush-compressor-kit/voilamart-airbrush-compressor-kit-7cc-0-3mm-spray-gun-hose-with-carry-bagfor-paint-cake-art.html

I have tried again this morning and used water as a thinner and it has worked OK but I might have had it a bit too thin. Just trial and error I suppose.

I pulled the needle out and it did have some dried paint so have cleaned it. Just found that Voilamark recommend Methylated Spirits to clean after acrylics.

After each use I plunge the airbrush into water and back wash and run until the water runs through clean. I was always worried about how difficult it was to pull the airbrush apart but does not look as daunting as I thought.

Thanks for all the comments. Smile

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 7:48 PM

Greg

Curious what airbrush you are using. And do you happen to know the needle/nozzle size by any chance?

Since you started having trouble, have  the airbrush and completely cleaned it? Acyrlics can really clog up an airbrush is why I ask.

 

So many things I agree with already posted here. I would key on:

1. Make darn sure the brush is clean. That means getting at the internals with brush safe tools to clean things out. It is said that most problems are related to a dirty brush and my own experience has proven that out to me. I am always amazed at what I find in my brush after spraying solvents through it, and I use lacquer. In my old days, that is all I did to clean my brush and I had a ton of problems. Now, after every use, I dismantle the brush for further cleaning and I rarely have issues.

2. Water as a thinner is questionable unless the manufacturer says it's ok. I have always had poor results using water. I am not familiar with that paint, so I can't say if it's compatiable. I'd try to stick with the manufacturers recommended thinner. Once a person ventures off with using other things, it is anybody's guess as to what is going on. Been there, done that.

3. After doing the first two points, try adding more thinner.

4. If none of that works, PUNT. Life is too short fighting a brand of paint. As was already said, go with the user friendly stuff. 

Just my two cents.

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Posted by Greg on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 7:14 PM

Curious what airbrush you are using. And do you happen to know the needle/nozzle size by any chance?

Since you started having trouble, have <you stripped*> the airbrush and completely cleaned it? Acyrlics can really clog up an airbrush is why I ask.

Edit: some how "you stripped" was missing from my OP

-Greg

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Posted by Les.61 on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 6:12 PM
I shake the Italeri bottle for about 1 minute (with the small opening cannot stir it). Put some in a small bottle and add the water and shake that for about 1 min. Put in the airbrush and use within 5 minutes.
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Posted by oldermodelguy on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 6:04 PM

Les.61
I was using Italeri paint and Italeri thinner. Have tried with water and worked better but still need to get the mix right. I shake the mixture in a small bottle before loading in the airbrush.
 

Before you transfer to a different bottle you need to stir in any sediment on the bottom of the paint bottle. Water alone is rarely the best thinner fwiw. Sometimes it works somewhat well though...

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Posted by Les.61 on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 5:44 PM
I was using Italeri paint and Italeri thinner. Have tried with water and worked better but still need to get the mix right. I shake the mixture in a small bottle before loading in the airbrush.
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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 1:09 PM

Bearcat57

I’d suggest do yourself a huge favor and gather up all your Italeri paints and run - don’t walk - to your nearest haz/mat disposal place and deposit them there. 

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Posted by oldermodelguy on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 12:02 PM

I agree, proper thinning in terms of thinner type and quantity and really stir it up well is key. You also might need a little flow aid or retarder in there.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 6:32 AM

Maybe you’re not thinning them enough or the paint not stirred up enough to loosen the sediments on the bottom of the bottles. Other than that, maybe it’s the type of thinner you’re using. Some acrylics don’t play nice with alcohol based thinners.

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Posted by Les.61 on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 1:26 AM
Paints are only a few months old.
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Posted by modelmaker66 on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 1:18 AM

How old are the paints? You might try Vallejo airbrush cleaner as a thinner also. If it doesn't like alcohol and produced a gummy mess I assume, it may respond well to that.

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Posted by Bearcat57 on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 12:52 AM

I’d suggest do yourself a huge favor and gather up all your Italeri paints and run - don’t walk - to your nearest trash receptacle and deposit them there.

Then replace with something like Tamiya or Mission Models Paints and enjoy the art of airbrushing without all the tip dry, stringiness and splatter.

It seems a good many folks - even experienced airbrushers - don’t get on with Italeri very well. Why fight it when there are more user-friendly alternatives out there?

 

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Italeri Paints clogging airbrush
Posted by Les.61 on Monday, May 20, 2019 8:39 PM

I am fairly new to airbrushing and have had some success BUIT every time I try Italeri paints the airbrush clogs up. I have tried using alcohol as thinner - BAD IDEA. I have tried using Italeri thinner and it still clogs.

 

Any suggestions or tips on usng Italeri and what ratio to thin, etc.

 

Thanks

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