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N.M.F.-to Foil or Paint?

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  • Member since
    October 2019
  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
N.M.F.-to Foil or Paint?
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:53 AM

Hi;

       I have been curious about this for quite a while. My introduction to Foil was on Model Cars, Bumpers, Trim etc. Now on Planes I thought I would try a Bare Metal finish. Someone suggested using a product pictureframers use.( Rub-n-Buff). Tried it on A.M.Ts flying Wing ( the Y.B.49). Geez, whatta job! This was back in 1959.

     Now I will say this, I never finished that plane. But every Time I take it out of it's box and rub it some more it's looking almost like chrome! Makes me wish I had pulled the Trigger on Foiling an Aircraft sooner.

      Now I have tried Alclad. I just don't trust it. Why? Well, if you have ever gotten close to a Real Military or Civilian N.M.F. Aircraft you'll notice something. The plane does NOT have the same sheen on every panel and if so rarely! I have never had any luck putting Tape or Foil on another spot to change the color slightly, over Alclad.  It falls off in about a month.And NO, I do not want to have to clear coat the finished product. Alclad does a heck of a job if applied properly. How does it stand up to a buffing a year later though? My foil Chromed Aircraft just get their like new shine back!

     I do shoot a bubble of clear over the panels where decals are and if the plane is big enough I spray the emblems. So that isn't a problem. A friend who does a lot of Santa- Fe and Amtrak showed me how. On trains I DO-NOT shoot a clear overcoat. Why? well, model RailRoads in Museums get dusty over time. So this way we can buff up the cars to like new occassionally. Now when I foil this requires some things. No dust, no stale Foil-Chrome and if I have made my own it must be stored in a large book. Why? The old Cool, Dark area for storage. Like with Decals. It's great for the Brand-Name stuff too!

 I have Decals from back in the old Revell days that Have been oversprayed with Decal Film, But, their color is a rich as new. Do this with Foil( Put it in a Book) and it seems to last forever. The usefullness of "Run-N-Buff" well, on that I dunno. I have had some panels bleed onto others at the edges. So In closing, Do you prefer the ART of Foil Chroming? "Rub-N-Buff". or Alclad and why? I would like to know.

     

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, May 24, 2021 8:59 AM

I prefer Alclad now.  It is cheaper than foil and goes on wrinkle free.

There are several ways to get the shading you talked about.  It comes in several sheens and by masking and using different sheen you get the shading Yes, you can mask Alclad if you let it dry for 24 hours and use low tack tape ( I often use those paper stickem notepaper).  And while the recommended undercoat is gloss black, you do not have use that.  Changes in the sheen or color of the undercoat makes a subtle effect on the Alclad appearnce, and subtle is what you need for panel shading.  Lastly you can clange the sheen of the polished aluminum Alclad by changing the thickness of the coat.  Starting (over a good gloss black) you get a very specular sheen but a darker color.  As you keep adding, the specular sheen continues, but the brightnee goes up.  Then you reach a critical point where the color stay the same but the sheen dulls a bit. With masking and doing a second coat, you can make slight changes in brightness and sheen. 

I am finding changing the undecoat of panels the easiest the easiest methon for panels on same part.  I use thickness control for painting different parts.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Towson MD
Posted by gregbale on Monday, May 24, 2021 11:36 AM

Don Stauffer
I am finding changing the undecoat of panels the easiest the easiest methon for panels on same part. I use thickness control for painting different parts.

That's been my go-to method since my first airbrush days back in the '70s. Different tints of blacks, greys and browns look like 'modern art' -- or 'Berlin Brigade' camouflage -- on the aircraft to start, but once the metallic is sprayed on in a semi-transparent layer, the resemblance to the 'real thing' on full-size a/c can be very convincing.

And I personally find it's much easier to mask and spray panels of basecoat 'color' than to try the same masking over metallic finishes. Not impossible...just easier.

 

Greg

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"Every time you correct me on my grammar I love you a little fewer."
 
  • Member since
    March 2015
  • From: Close to Chicago
Posted by JohnnyK on Monday, May 24, 2021 12:47 PM

Now you have my full attention!

I always use Bare Metal Foil on my NMF aircraft. IMHO, Bare Metal Foil looks like metal because it is metal. 

I use two different colors of BMF, Matte Aluminum and Chrome. The majority of the wings on the B-24 are covered in Matte Aluminum. A few of the panels are covered in Chrome to add visual interest. The nice thing about using foil is that the foil ia applied to each individual panel. This creates a very natural looking seam between the panels. I also use a rivet tool to create rivets. Go here to see how I apply BMF  http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/tools_techniques_and_reference_materials/f/13/t/179536.aspx

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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