I'm admitting defeat. The Stynylrez went in the trash today.

I've heard of Stynylrez getting frozen and ruined, I make sure I order mine in before Dec through Feb. I check my stash each Sept. unless I already know I have a fresh bottle on hand. I only stock black and white and mix my own grey from those. I visualize a cold delivery then sitting out on my step on a 10f day in Jan and avoid that. Whatever,something happened to yours apparently. Complaints on that primer are hard to come by.

I probably wouldn't have thrown it in the trash but called Badger, they might send you a free fresh bottle. I've had several companies react that way, from blown out fishing waders sent UPS direct to burnt pot pie free coupons.

So true,life is short and we don't need frustration from a hobby,just because a product works well for 99 others doesnt mean it's going to work right for you,stick with what you like to use and have had success 

oldermodelguy

I've heard of Stynylrez getting frozen and ruined, .......

That was my first thought, too.

Sorry you had a bad experience. I also have the HP-TH and Stynylrez should spray great through it.

Greg

 

 

oldermodelguy

I've heard of Stynylrez getting frozen and ruined, .......

 

 That was my first thought, too.

Sorry you had a bad experience. I also have the HP-TH and Stynylrez should spray great through it.

 

There was other paint in that same shipment that works fine, but who knows where it traveled on it's way to MicroMark and then to me.  It didn't appear separated.

It just seems like Stynylrez is a bit more sensitive to such things and perhaps inconsistent in its manufacturing.  

Good old Tamiya primer doesn't care what temps it has traveled through, as long as its at a reasonable temperature when you spray it.  

I once had a can of Krylon red oxide squirt stuff like rubber worms or shoe strings and worse than that it wouldn't stop even after yanking the nozzle out. Just sayin.

I think you got a bad batch brother. I use the black and the gray Stynylrez and it's the best primer that I've ever used. Someone suggested contacting Badger and that's some good advice. Give it another shot with a different batch and then see what you think. You may change your mind about this product if you give it a second chance. 

I agree with Mustang and some others, it may well be a faulty batch. Stynylrez, (geez, what a name,) is by far my favorite for airbrushing, excellent results and not at all tempermental.

From personal experience, I can tell you that Badger is very responsive to  customers that have a problem with one of their products. Call them and relate your issue, I'll bet they'll respond quickly with a replacement. If you get a fresh bottle and try it, then you'll know if was just this batch, or the product simply won't work for you. 

Tojo is also spot on, use whatever works for you. Good luck with sorting it.

Patrick

I'm always open to trying new stuff, and sometimes I just don't have the same success as others have had with those things.  If I already have something that works for me, I usually move on from the new thing too.

I hadn't emptied the trash can yet, so recovered all six bottles, mixed them and ran them through DeVilbiss strainers.   I think the problem is pretty obvious.  

Since you went to the work of that, email them with the pics attached and see where it goes.  Only a few more minutes on top of time already spent, might prove worthwhile.

My .05, but a nickel isn't worth what it used to be.

goldhammer

Since you went to the work of that, email them with the pics attached and see where it goes.  Only a few more minutes on top of time already spent, might prove worthwhile.

My .05, but a nickel isn't worth what it used to be.

 

Already sent.  We'll see what they say, but the storage and shipment isn't really Badger's fault.  I can't expect them to replace it.

True, but there are still some companies that value customer satisfaction with their products near the top of the list.

I'm constantly doing little things at work for customers and not charging for it.  Drives the boss nuts, but it's brought them back with bigger things to repair.

Unless they all came in the same shipment, I'd venture they had a contaminated batch of a common ingredient to all of them.

patrick206

From personal experience, I can tell you that Badger is very responsive to  customers that have a problem with one of their products. Call them and relate your issue, I'll bet they'll respond quickly with a replacement.

I sent this email along with pictures of the filtered "gunk" that was in the paint a week ago.  No response yet.

"I purchased a multi-color six pack of Stynylrez from MicroMark earlier this year and just had the opportunity to give it a try.   Unfortunately, I ran into problems with the airbrush blocking almost immediately.  I am using an Iwata HP-TH with .5mm nozzle at 30PSI.  It had been cleaned and rinsed clear with water to remove any incompatible solvents.   On the advice of a post on a modeling forum, I ran the paint through strainers.  The problem is pretty obvious. 

Well thats discouraging they haven't gotten back.

This week's update:

Badger emailed me back with a semi-standard response and said they would be forwarding my questions to their paint specialists.  Good to see they didn't completely ignore my problem.  I'm interested to see what they suggest.

On the home front:  I've done a little bit of experimenting with the filtered product.  Obviously, it works better than trying to shoot the "worms" through the airbrush, but I was still getting some spitting after just a few minutes.  Just as an experiment, I tried it through my Eclipse with .35 needle.  It worked MUCH better than the HP-TH with fan head.  I'm wondering if the air horns on the fan may be introducing too much air into the paint stream.  If so, it might be worth getting the .5mm conversion for the Eclipse.

I don't know what happened to your paint but you shouldn't have to go through all this. As a test I've shot the stuff straight from the bottle through a .25 on my Badger 200, admittedly better thinned a little bit but it did work. I specifically used that .25 a few times actually, where I needed to cover black primary color edges with a lighter color and used a light grey mix of primer to hide the black, just kind of dusted on . Worked great. My usual brush for priming though is the Paasche H with medium tip, which I believe is either .6 or .7. I've been using this stuff for maybe 4 years now, never any issuelike you mention, no filters etc.

By the way it thins great with LT. Badger won't say that but I am.

oldermodelguy

By the way it thins great with LT. Badger won't say that but I am.

LT. ???

Jon_a_its

 

 

oldermodelguy

By the way it thins great with LT. Badger won't say that but I am.

 

 

 

LT. ???

 

I'm guessing he means lacquer thinner.  

I'm

MJY65

 Jon_a_its

oldermodelguy

By the way it thins great with LT. Badger won't say that but I am.

LT. ???

I'm guessing he means lacquer thinner.  

I'm guessing the same, but would like to know for sure.

I'm also having lots of 'fun' spraying StyNylRes in what's turned out to be the hottest month in decades!

goldhammer

True, but there are still some companies that value customer satisfaction with their products near the top of the list. I'm constantly doing little things at work for customers and not charging for it.  Drives the boss nuts, but it's brought them back with bigger things to repair.

Bingo! And there is the importance of good customer service. I harp on that all the time. Too many companies don't follow that idiom.

I have good and bad days with this primer. The stuff seems to settle into a big pile of goo. I recently purchased new bottles and they all settled out the same way. Mixing that into workable material can be a challenge. In my opinion, an electric mixer is absolutely imperative. So off the bat, that is my main gripe with it. But when it does work for me, it works well.

Last summer I bought a bottle of this garbage and paid the premium on shipping so in the end it cost me around $27.   I kept mine to try to see if i can salvage it for some level of brush on primer.  I tried to shoot it exactly per the instructions and all the forum posts. It seemed awfully thick coming out of the bottle. I never could get it to shoot from my Eclipse even at 45 PSI and the needle all the way open. I tried it in the Testors spray gun, and even that BARELY sputtered out. I tried to thin it with various liquids with no effect whatsoever.  

I followed the advice, and emailed customer service.  Three times. 

There has been no answer.  Clearly, Badger isnt interested in picking up the loose ends. 

Eaglecash867

Good old Tamiya primer doesn't care what temps it has traveled through, as long as its at a reasonable temperature when you spray it.  

 

Ti4019

I followed the advice, and emailed customer service.  Three times. 

There has been no answer.  Clearly, Badger isnt interested in picking up the loose ends. 

  

I keep hearing negative things about Badger's customer service. Not a good thing to hear and hope they get their act together.

Never heard of the stuff 

I did the same with all the Mr Color I had. I know it's suposed to be great paint but just couldn't spray it without it spitting and clooging. Stank too much to, so in the bin it went. The only Mr I use now is their air bursh and the surfacer sometimes. I won't even try MRP now because of the experance. The paint I currently use works just fine.

Jon_a_its

I'm

 

MJY65

 Jon_a_its

oldermodelguy

By the way it thins great with LT. Badger won't say that but I am.

LT. ???

I'm guessing he means lacquer thinner.  

 

 

I'm guessing the same, but would like to know for sure.

I'm also having lots of 'fun' spraying StyNylRes in what's turned out to be the hottest month in decades!

 

 

If I didn't reply to this already then yes, I mean lacquer thinner.

That said I shot some white from an older bottle I have here just last week and it went on fine unthinned, shot with Paasche H medium tip around 25 psi.

modelcrazy

I won't even try MRP now because of the experance.

That's a shame.  You're really missing out on some great paint which has nothing to do with the Gunze-Sangyo stuff.  Shoots straight out of the bottle and I haven't had a single issue with any of their paints (I have a pretty diverse inventory of the stuff).  Tried their white for the first time today, and it has ruined me for white paint from any other manufacturer.  It doesn't seem to have any of the issues that pretty much any white paint usually has.  Shot it at 10 PSI today into a 1/72 scale F-16 intake to paint the inside of it, and it went on nice and smooth.

plasticjunkie

 

 

Ti4019

I followed the advice, and emailed customer service.  Three times. 

There has been no answer.  Clearly, Badger isnt interested in picking up the loose ends. 

  

 

 

 

I keep hearing negative things about Badger's customer service. Not a good thing to hear and hope they get their act together.

 

It's been more than 3 weeks since my question was "forwarded to a paint specialist" at Badger and I've heard nothing more.  I even tried directly emailing the "paint specialist" to whom it was supposedly forwarded.  Nothing.  

I think it's the end of the road.  I'll go back to punching cans of Tamiya FSP and move on from this experiment.