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Iwata Eclipse HP-CS or Iwata HP-C?

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 14, 2003 5:48 PM
I just bought an HP-CS too. Best thing I ever did, Snowy, you'll never regret it.
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Posted by stinger on Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:41 PM
Hey Snowy - Hope you like it as much as I do. It is a bit hard at first to get used to a double action. I'm used to my Badger sa. I haven't sprayed any models yet. It arrived just days before I had to leave on a road trip. I did play around with it a bit though, and discovered a sort of fun way to practice. I had a sandpaper package laying nearby (like when you buy just a couple sheets in a pack from Home Depot) and started trying to spray little spots in the letters of the printing on the back. (filing in the holes in O's and P's) I wanted to see how small a spot I could get without getting a small 'splat'. Also tried spraying around and in between words. Maybe sounds silly, but it gave some kind of 'target' to aim for.
I like the bigger cup, too. It doesn't seem to get in the way, and I know that I can spray a complete 1/72 scale fighter or even small bomber with just one cup full. Also really like the spill cap.
By the way, I forgot to mention that I also got a .5mm needle and nozzle. Don't know why, really. I guess I wanted my bases covered.
When I get back home I'm going to order some of Iwata's 'Super Lube', I think they call it. I like it so much that I want to really take care of it.
Let me know down the road how it works out, and send us a pic of your Iwata painted model. Later, Stinger

May an Angel be your wingman, and the Sun be always at your six

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:39 PM
Hi Stinger, I went with the Eclipse HP-CS. Ive had it for a few days now and it's just great. Now I just need lots of practice to live up to what this brush is capable of. Thanks for the help!

Snowy
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  • From: Everywhere
Posted by stinger on Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:11 PM
PS - I bought mine from Dixieart supplies. www.dixieart.com . Great people, and great deals. I ordered mine on a Thursday and even though they didn't have it in stock, they said they would send it as soon as they did. I received it the following Wednesday. Well worth the minimal wait, and free shipping, too.

May an Angel be your wingman, and the Sun be always at your six

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Posted by stinger on Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:07 PM
Snowy - After much mental debating and a LOT of great advice from MikeV and others on this site, I finally bought an Iwata HP-CS. I LOVE IT! It is a bit difficult to discern the differences between Iwata's models (HP-C vs. HP-CS) from their website ( www.iwata-medea.com ), because of the way they display them differently. I still can't tell, spec for spec, what the difference is, but now that I have it, it doesn't matter. Let us know what you decide on. Hope this helps. Stinger

May an Angel be your wingman, and the Sun be always at your six

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  • From: Broken Arrow, Oklahoma
Posted by maddafinga on Monday, August 4, 2003 9:02 PM
Hey, I'm glad the Aztek is working for you. Personally, I'm glad I made the switch. Maybe it's all in the Aztek model you get, or maybe their quality control is spotty and some are good and some, not so much. Either way, stick with what's working for you!

Also, lets see some pics of your camaro, and some of the other stuff as well.

I'm soon to start some airbrush painting myself. I have drawn with pencil and charcoal enough that I have it down to a science, and am looking to try something new.

madda
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 4, 2003 11:45 AM
I've never used an Iwata but have heard great things about them.
I have been using the Aztec for the last 7 years or so. I know a lot of die hards out there dismiss this airbrush as a novice style piece of equipment, but I have used the Aztec in painting $50.000 00 Harleys, Goalie masks, refrigerators, displays, mailboxes, vehicle graphics, etc.
I just recently did a flame job on a 69 1/2 Camaro (plastic model) and it turned out great. The ease of use with the Aztec makes it my choice. Cleans up well, and is darned versatile. All of the nozzle sizes are there and cleanup is a breeze. (Just make sure to soak the body after a heavy round of spraying). This gun will handle just about anything in terms of paint and works well with any air source.

For this Camaro, I used the Metal Craft line of paints for spraying the basecoat and then applying the flames...all in one day, using 3M vinyl as a mask. A simple hair dryer was used to quickly heat-set the paint and there was no lifting or bleed through whatsoever. I was quite surprised, considering I have not done a lot of models in this fashion.

Anyway, just thought I'd pass along my thoughts on the topic. New to the site and it's very nice...lots of info!

Thanks
Kim
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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Saturday, August 2, 2003 12:08 PM
Snowy,

My pleasure mate! Wink [;)]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 1, 2003 11:00 PM
Thanks Mike (and you other guys), I'll take your advice and go with the Eclipse which is what my gut feeling was telling me also. Your help is much appreciated, thanks!

Snowy
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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Friday, August 1, 2003 7:57 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by hou_ge2000

the HP-C isn't used for modeling I think... MikeV is the expert in this.


Expert? Me? lol Big Smile [:D]

I would go with the Eclipse as it was designed for mediums like model paints. As hou_ge2000 alluded to, the HP-C is an illustration airbrush and would have trouble reliably pushing model paints through it's small needle and tip that were designed for finely ground pigment paints like watercolors, etc.

It may work with acrylic model paints but I would say it was overkill and the Eclipse will do everything you need it to do for modelling and any other use you may have for it. Wink [;)]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 1, 2003 4:58 PM
Both brushes look almost identical (both gravity feed). The cups are about the same size but the eclipse is a slightly different shape cup which I think is supposed to make it easier to clean. I believe the HP-C is thier older original model which all the newer brushes are offshoots of with slight changes (such as cup shape). The Eclipse CS has a .35mm nozzle and the C has a .3mm nozzle. I'm just intrigued as to why the two brushes would seem so similar (to a newcomer) and what would make a more experienced buyer go one way or the other. And of course I don't want to buy one and then find out I would have been better off with the other for whetever reason.

Snowy.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 1, 2003 8:38 AM
the HP-C isn't used for modeling I think... MikeV is the expert in this.
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  • From: Broken Arrow, Oklahoma
Posted by maddafinga on Friday, August 1, 2003 8:26 AM
If you check their site out, they have a feature where you can select different models, look at a pic of that model, and read a description of the brush and what it's used for. I don't remember them all off hand, I went with the revolution model and it's great. I'd imagine that the cs model is a side feed where the c is a gravity feed maybe, but don't bank on that guess. I much prefer gravity feed models because you can spray with much less air pressure, which means more control. They are easier to clean than a siphon feed also. Don't just count on my memory, which is occasionaly faulty, check their site out.

mada
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Iwata Eclipse HP-CS or Iwata HP-C?
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 1, 2003 4:48 AM
Hi guys, I had decided to buy an Eclipse HP-CS but when I went back to the store a couple of days later they only had the HP-C model left. Being a newbie to airbrushes I can't really see much difference between the 2 brushes even after reading Iwata's brush guide. I know from my research on this forum that the CS Eclipse is a great brush but no-one has mentioned the HP-C. Should I order in the Eclipse or is the HP-C just as good? Is one better than the other for 1/48 aircraft or is it just personal choice? A lot of you guys seem well versed on this subject so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Snowy.
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