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is iwata answer to my camo woes??

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is iwata answer to my camo woes??
Posted by nmayhew on Monday, September 29, 2003 10:28 AM
hi guys,Smile [:)]
sorry to bother you all again ( i have another topic about my aztec problems here!Disapprove [V])...
which brush is best for the finest camo detail work eg mottle on 1/48, ambush camo on 1/35 german armour etc??
i just want something which will give me the thinnest line possible!Smile [:)]
i hear lots of good things about iwata...how much is one of their top brushes?
i'm from the UK but am coming stateside in 10 daysSmile [:)] and will be staying with friends in HOBOKEN NJ, so can anyone point me to a good hobby shop in that area which does good brushes as well?
many thanks for your help.
regards,
nick
Kind regards, Nicholas
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 29, 2003 10:39 AM
My Iwata was the answer to all my airbrush woes. I've owned Badger 350 and 100LG and Sotar 20/20, Pasche H and VL, and an Aztek. I got the best results from the Aztek but not what I was after. I also had the pre-spray sputters like you do. I never believed people in these forums about the Iwatas. Now I do. Far easier to clean than the others, Incredibly fine line without clogging from enamels, like the Sotar. Far beter atomization than the others without much effort. Overall, near perfect results with the least effort across the board. Like getting brakes and a steering wheel in your car when you never had them before.
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Posted by nmayhew on Monday, September 29, 2003 11:32 AM
hey plum1030,
thanks for the inputSmile [:)]
so which iwata should i go for, and how much will it cost? have to get it passed by the finance committee (also known as the girlfiendTongue [:P]!!!!!!!)
do i need to buy different nozzles/heads etc like the aztek?
by the way, i presume they are compatible with any compressor right?
thanks once again,
nick
Kind regards, Nicholas
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 29, 2003 11:37 AM
First, Point out how many pairs of shoes she has, then order it. In the states Bear-air and Dixie-Art have great prices. I bought my HP-CS (double action, gravity feed) for $89 (US) with free shipping. In store price will be higher. Their revolution line is cheaper and people on the forum like them. But I only know the one I have and highly recommend it.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 29, 2003 1:27 PM
nmayhew

I have the Iwata Eclipse HP-BS and love it.
Based on my own and the experiences described by others on this and other forums I would recommend the Iwata Eclipse or Revolution.
Of course the only drawback is the higher price but it looks like you have a golden opportunity to pick one up for relative cheap.
Go to this website http://www.dixieart.com. I do believ t his is the best place to purchase an airbrush as they have very low prices and free shipping to the contiguous U.S.
You could order one from them and have it sent to your friends in Hoboken and it will be waiting for you when you get there.
Oh, you might want to order an extra needle or 2 while you're at it.
Just a thought.
Have a great visit to the USA!Smile [:)]
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Posted by MikeV on Monday, September 29, 2003 10:32 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by nmayhew

which brush is best for the finest camo detail work eg mottle on 1/48, ambush camo on 1/35 german armour etc??


Any good quality double-action airbrush will do the job.
Although there are a lot of poor, mislead Iwata fans here, I prefer the Thayer & Chandler Omni myself. Big Smile [:D]
The Omni, Anthem, Eclipse and Paasche VL will all do the trick, it just boils down to which one you like best. I personally don't like the fat-bodied airbrushes like the Paasche VL and Badger Crescendo although some do. I prefer the slim airbrushes like the Omni and the Vega which started the new design of airbrushes.

As a side note: Iwata copied the Vega and Omni design for their Eclipse. Tongue [:P]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by nmayhew on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:35 AM
hi again guys,
just been on the dixieart site (thanks merlin Smile [:)] ), but i'm a bit confused as to which brush is able to produce THE FINEST LINES, or are they all pretty similar in this respect?
i see the Custom Micron range is a lot more expensive, along with the High Performance series...what's the main difference here? is it primarily nozzle size, and does that then equate to the size/thinness of line the brush can produce?
sorry if i'm asking basic and maybe obvious stuff...all i can say is that if i told you what i paid for my aztec here in london you wouldn't know whether to laughTongue [:P]....or crySad [:(]!!!
many thanks for al your help,
regards,
nick
Kind regards, Nicholas
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 6:09 AM
nick
First of all, don't worry about "bothering" anybody here. We all get a big charge over blabbing about this stuff.

Those airbrushes that you mentioned are either not suitable or overkill for the purpose of painting models. They are intended for finer mediums than what we use.

My advice (as a "POOR MISGUIDED IWATA FAN") Big Smile [:D] is to confine your research to the ones listed above by MikeV. He is our resident airbrush expert.
Oh by the way Mike, I mixed up some of your acrylic cleaner brew. Works great. Smells good too!Smile [:)] I've been doing a little experimenting with Tamiya acrylics and I think I like them so maybe I can finally abandon enamels.

merlin
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:58 AM
My HP-CS is great for general use and does lines far more fine than I expected (or usually need). With a gravity feed you can go with a lower pressure (10 psi) then just get really close and use minimal paint. You might want to thin you paints a little more than usual too. The HP-CS does everything I need it to and better than any other brush I've tried. Be sure no to get a brush that's too fine or your paints may not pass through it. Some brushes are meant for inks/dyes and not enamels/acrylics.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 11:47 AM
Hello everyone
I'm in Ontario Canada and was wwondering if anyone knew of some canadian sites for purchasing air brushes and acsessories. thanks
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Posted by stinger on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:02 PM
I second Plum's remarks about the HP-CS, although as stated before, MikeV's input should be highly regarded. This forum and it's members advice was instrumental to helping me decide on the Iwata.
I agree that the Iwata site is hard to interpret when it comes to comparing different brushes abilities. Like you, I was looking for the smallest line obtainable, and the HP-CS does it for me (and I model in 1/72 and 1/144th!).
The only complaint I might have is that it is a bit difficult to hold, but then I am a carpenter by trade, so my dexterity has diminished somewhat. I'm going to try slipping a larger diameter foam sleeve over the infeed air tube for a larger grip, if I can ever find one.
I also highly recommend DixieArt. Even though my brush was out of stock when I ordered it on a Wednesday, I still received it by express mail (additional cost there) by the following Tuesday. Great people at Dixie!
Just to cover my bases, I also ordered an additional needle of a different size than what it came with (about US$15.00). Would suggest that you get a spare (not necessarily of different size) due to the expense of obtaining one later from the UK. Have also heard good things about Iwata's lubricant.
As far as I know, Iwata (or any good quality brush in that league) can be used on any compressor with a good regulator. My compressor is the same one I use for nailing wood trim in houses! The regulator ranges from 0 to 150 psi. I am looking for a plug-on secondary regulator that will give more control over say a 0 to 50 or 60 psi range. Anyone know where I can find one?
Good luck with your decision, and enjoy your stay in the US!

Stinger

May an Angel be your wingman, and the Sun be always at your six

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Posted by MikeV on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:30 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by plum1030

Be sure no to get a brush that's too fine or your paints may not pass through it. Some brushes are meant for inks/dyes and not enamels/acrylics.


Plum hit the nail on the head. Big Smile [:D]
The size of the airbrush needle and tip are dependant on the medium being sprayed through it. The finest lines possible with paints like Model Master enamels will be one of the ones I mentioned. Airbrushes like the Iwata Micron, Sotar 20/20, Paasche AB Turbo and a few others from Holbein and Olympos are not designed for paints like we use for models.
The biggest use for these type of airbrushes is either for water colors, really thin acrylics or urethanes for automotive airbrushing.

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 8:48 AM
Yup, bought a Sotar and tried model master through it! Yuck! Now only water colors and inks in that brush. (though I suspect that I'd be happier still using the Iwata for that too!)
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Posted by nmayhew on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 10:27 AM
thanks once again for all the input guysSmile [:)]
i've decided to go for the iwata eclipse ECL4500 CSCool [8D]...i see that i also need to get the air hose and maybe another needle...
any special type of hose i should get?
before i order, is there anything else i've missed? should i get lids for the cup etc etc? without seeing the thing in front of me it's kind of hard to visualise.
many many thanks,
nick
ps if i ever work out how to get my digital camera to speak to my computer, i'll post some pics of kits i've made pre- and post- all your advice!!! you guys have really made a difference.Smile [:)]Smile [:)]Smile [:)]
Kind regards, Nicholas
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 1, 2003 6:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by nmayhew

any special type of hose i should get?
before i order, is there anything else i've missed?


Since I already had a Paasche hose I just ordered an Iwata to Paasche hose adapter. ($1.89) and works fine..You could order a 6 ft Paasche hose ($5.00) and an adaptor and save some money..The minimum priced Iwata hose from Dixie is$10.95 for a 10 ft.polyurethane.

Also order some SuperLube (or Badger's equivalency. The people at Dixie say it's the same thing just a few bucks cheaper)
Don't forget the spare needle for when you drop and bend the original one which you will surely do if you don't get it and you should be set.

I think you'll be happy with your new Eclipse..Let us know how you like it!!Smile [:)]
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