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Iwata Airbrush Querries
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 8, 2003 3:37 PM
Hello..... newbie to the forum here, this being my second post. Those of you who own the Iwata's, I've been looking at a couple of them for my needs and have a few questions.

- Specifically, what is the difference between the Eclipse and the Revolution brushes? Why this Revolution line?
- If I purchased an Eclipse with a .35 mm needle and nozzle, could I change it to a .5 mm needle and nozzle? Is there any nozzle interchangability at all with any of the Iwata lines suited for painting of models?
-What is the broadest pattern that can be sprayed with the Eclipse?
- I will be utilizing my new brush strictly for application of automotive lacquers on model cars. Is there a line by Iwata best suited for this type of paint?
- If you were going to order a new Iwata, would you order one with the 1/3 oz cup or the 1/16th oz cup? I ask this because I have concerns about the visual obstruction of the larger cup but at the same time I do not want to have to stop and refill in the middle of a coat of paint. Not sure how much paint is required to make a full pass on a 1:18th scale car body either.

Appreciate the comments and appologize for the many questions.

Thx,

John
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Posted by stinger on Wednesday, October 8, 2003 5:25 PM
Hello John L, and welcome to the forum.
First of all, no apologies necessary for your questions. I am probably most guilty of asking too many, but I will say it here yet again: The fellow members of this forum are exceedingly kind and informative. You will hopefully get many responses with some opinions differing from mine, and I would listen heartfully to all of them. We're all here to help you make the best choice.

Here are some websites that may help you:

www.iwata-medea.com
www.dixieart.com
The Iwata site can lead you to a chart showing the different applications for all their models, and pictures and details of each model of airbrush, but I have found it a bit hard to directly compare things such as spray widths, but at least you can see them. This alone is the very reason that I bought the extrra needle/nozzle. I was hoping to cover my bases on some of my larger model aircraft.
The dixieart site is for the supplier that I bought from. Their are others that other forum members recommend also. I can't remeber exactly their names, but again, a search will yield the posts with that info.
Also, you can do a search of this forum using keywords such as Iwata, Eclipse, Revoution, Bottle feed, gravity feed, etc, and find all past posts on this very subject, and I will tell you, there are many, but all worth looking at.

I own an Iwata HP-CS and I think I can answer a couple of your questions.

First, the difference between Revolution and Eclipse is that the former is a single action and the latter is a double action. What this means is that with a single action, you simply pull back on the trigger and get both an airflow and a paint flow. With a double action, you first press downward on the trigger to get an airflow, and then while still pressing down, pull back to get a graduated paint flow. You will still get a graduated flow with the single action, but when mastered, the double action will give you more controlled results.
The Revolution is marketed for the beginner airbrusher/hobbyist, but the double action is not difficult to master with a bit of practice.
Yes, you can buy and interchange different size needles and nozzles. In fact, when I puchased my Eclipse HP-CS I also bought an additional .5 needle and nozzle. The reason I did this was because no one could say for sure what the max width spray pattern would be with the .35. I haven't used the .5 yet, so I can't tell you from experience, sorry, but maybe someone else on this forum can.
Since I model aircraft, I can't say much about its suitability for car models, especially 1:18th scale.
As for the cup size, I went with the 1/3 oz. because I didn't want to keep refilling, and I'm glad that I did. The larger cup has never gotten in the way of seeing my paint line, even when painting tiny Camo lines. If you are really concerned about the quantity of paint for your cars however, Iwata makes basically the same brush with a bottom feed bottle, but there are some advantages to having a gravity feed, such as better paint flow through the brush. This doesn't mean that the bottle feed is bad, though, just different.
I took a lot of time trying to decide what to buy, and I'm glad I did, especially after getting input from this forum.
You may indeed need something different for your car modelling needs, but I love my HP-CS.
Check out the other posts, and good luck. Let us know what you decide on.

Stinger

May an Angel be your wingman, and the Sun be always at your six

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Posted by stinger on Wednesday, October 8, 2003 5:30 PM
Apologies to the forum.
I think I set a record for the most lengthy post! [:0]

May an Angel be your wingman, and the Sun be always at your six

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 8, 2003 6:23 PM
...my mind is going, I can feel it. Stop. Will you please stop... ; )
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 9, 2003 7:32 AM
The Revolution seriesare double action airbrushes. They have a 0.5 mm needle/nozzle (non-interchangeable) giving a spray pattern of between 1/8th to 1 1/2 inch.
The Eclipse series features interchangeable nozzles (3.5 to 0.5 mm) giving a pattern range of hairline up to 2 in.
I have the HP-BS which has the 1/16th oz. feed cup and find that a little paint goes a long way. I usually don't have to refill it and if I do, it's not a big deal.
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Posted by maddafinga on Thursday, October 9, 2003 8:18 AM
I've gotten way way finer lines than 1/8 inch with my Revolution. It took me some practice, but I can get one down to about a pencil line, .5 mm or so I'd say, maybe a bit thinner. I have the big gravity cup, and it's not impaired my vision at all. I don't even notice it anymore actually, I had to think about it even being there at all. Like Merlin said, the revolution is a double action brush. It's aimed at more beginners, but it's impervious to laquor, the quality is excellent and it's cheap. I love it.

madda
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 9, 2003 12:00 PM
Hey Friends,

Really appreciate the insight you’ve provided me with here; without it, I’d be floating in a sea of uncertainty. What a wonderful place this is and what a great bunch of people!

Thanks, John
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Posted by stinger on Thursday, October 9, 2003 7:48 PM
With regards to my statement about the Revolution being single or double, I actually called Dixieart before I made that statement and sent the post, and that is what they told me. Sorry for the bad info, and thanks to all else for correcting me.
Plum - Did you get your mind back yet? :)

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Posted by erush on Thursday, October 9, 2003 10:11 PM
I just orderd a Eclipse HP-SBS side feed to give them a try. However i had some questions and called a couple places and i had the best customer service at Bear Air of any I called. Their prices are the same as dixie art and they are very helpful and friendly people. They got my sale. I'll give a quick review after i get to try it out. It just came in this evening.

Try http://www.bearair.com and see what you think. They have an 800 number too.

Eric
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