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Water Temperature and Type
Posted by CaddMann05 on Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:13 AM

What's better for decals, warm or cool water? Distilled or tap water?

 

 

 

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  • From: Western North Carolina
Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, March 14, 2017 5:11 PM
Warm water,tap okay

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  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Tuesday, March 14, 2017 5:41 PM

It doesn't really matter if the water is warm or cold, the decal isn't going to be in there for more than a few seconds. Dip, then put it (face up) on a hard, waterproof surface and allow about 30-60 seconds for the water to soak into the backing paper.

Never leave a decal soaking at the bottom of a dish of water. You risk (a) the decal floating off the backing paper and folding in on itself and (b) loss of the glue which makes the decal stick.

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  • From: hamburg michigan
Posted by fermis on Tuesday, March 14, 2017 5:50 PM

Ditto

I get mine right from the tap(well water)...usually cold.

I have had some decals that were stubborn as all get out (Italeri, I think???). They'd take nearly ten minutes before they'd let loose from the paper...warm water cut that time almost in half.

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  • From: Longmont, Colorado
Posted by Cadet Chuck on Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:30 PM

Warm water is definitely best.  It seems to aid in easier release of the decals, and prevent damage to older or thinner, fragile decals.  Tap water is fine.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 6:02 AM

One of the guys in our club found a great warming plate at a craft store- looks like a miniature hot plate.  Works well, holds a half cup of water at about hand-washing temp.  I will use it if I am doing a big decal job, but for one or two little decals I just use water at room temp.  The warmer water works slightly better but the effect is not that great to delay heating up the plate for a couple of small decals.  I find decals vary considerably in their release time, and the hot plate does hasten the release on some of those slow decals.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 6:34 AM

Don Stauffer
One of the guys in our club found a great warming plate at a craft store- looks like a miniature hot plate. Works well, holds a half cup of water at about hand-washing temp.

Like a coffee mug warmer? https://www.amazon.com/Mr-Coffee-Warmer-Office-MWBLK/dp/B000CO89T8

 

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Posted by Kizzy on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:08 PM

I found one of those coffee mug warming plates at Goodwill for about $3 and it works great for keeping decal water at an ideal warm temperature.  Mine is by a company called Salton.  While I was at that same Goodwill store I also found a small clear glass Pyrex dish that fits perfectly on the surface of the warmer for another $2.  I find that keeping the decal water slightly warm like this does make it easier to float it off of the backing paper.  Also helps to add just a drop of dish soap to the water to reduce the surface tension.  I use regular tap water.

-Kizzy

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Posted by CaddMann05 on Thursday, March 16, 2017 1:12 AM

 

 

I've used cold tap water forever, but with this P51D project, the decals were not coming off the sheet even after soaking for up to a couple of minutes. With the decals being as old as they are, I guess it just needed more time to loosen up.

I think warm water also is best now.  I've also watched youtube videos on applying decals, and it seems to me majority rules as far as warm water.  I start out with warm tap water but over time is gets cold, and sometimes I am too much into decaling to get up for warm, fresh water.

So just like you guys I also thought about using a coffee warmer, but I thought it would keep the water too warm to hot, but now that a number of you have said it does the job, I will get me a warmer.

I live in the country, so my water comes from a well, and it has more contaminates than treated city water, so I will also use distilled water.

Thanks guys for all the input.

 

 

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  • From: Winamac,Indiana 46996-1525
Posted by ACESES5 on Sunday, March 19, 2017 2:03 PM

BalloonsWarm water with 2 or 3 drops of vineger the vineger will help release stubbron decals.                     ACESES5                                

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Posted by CaddMann05 on Sunday, March 19, 2017 9:58 PM

ACESES5

BalloonsWarm water with 2 or 3 drops of vineger the vineger will help release stubbron decals.                     ACESES5                                

 

Warm water most definitly.  Adding vinegar is a new trick, I will try that too.

What makes decaling easy though, is to have good decals to begin with.  I got a replacement sheet from EagleCals and they are great.

With any luck I should be done by next weekend.

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  • From: Nampa, Idaho
Posted by jelliott523 on Tuesday, March 21, 2017 4:46 PM

I too, prefer to use warm water for decals. I find that it does indeed help release it from the backing and, it may just be my imagination, but I think it helps soften the decal and settle into recessed areas better.

On the Bench:  Lots of unfinished projects!  Smile

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  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, March 24, 2017 11:44 AM

Hi Caddman05;

 I usually use room Temp Distilled water and just a teensy drop of dish soap. T.B.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Monday, April 3, 2017 8:45 PM

Warm water here. I refresh with more of same when water gets cooled off.

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Sunday, April 16, 2017 8:54 PM

I dont know about the newer manufacturars  ( Chartof for example ) but the older decales like to be treated sort of like your developing film.  I use distilled water ( less impurities in the water ) and water temp at 70 to 75 degrees. I dip the decal in the water then set it on a scrap piece of wood to SLOWLY draw the water off the decal (usually about 30 sec. )  Slide the decal into posistion and GENTLY daub with a paper towel let it dry then apply setting solution as desired. or not at all in some cases. let dry then  lightly wipe with a damp paper towel to remove glue and/or solvent residue.  Gloss cote and move on to the next project. (well.... thats the way its supossed to work anyway. )   For really thick decals dip them then set on glass  ( I also cut all my decals on glass.  Less torn or jagged edges that way. )

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

  • Member since
    February 2008
Posted by CaddMann05 on Monday, April 17, 2017 9:12 AM

Thank you for all the repsonses fellow modelers.

I will be using distilled warm water. I also will when applicable, replace the decals in my unbuilt kits with aftermarket sets. I don't have many kits, but because they are older kits, it's just better to  find new decals instead of trying to use the existing ones.

I went to my nearest Walmart looking for a beverage warmer (cup / mug warmer) and no luck.  It looks like back to the web for more supplies.   I did get a pyrex dish about 6"x 4"x1.5" to try to keep my decal water at a warmer temperture.  I'm hoping that the pyrex will hold the water temperature longer than regular glass or a plastic container. The issue with using that size dish is finding a warmer big enough to accomadate the dish. The warmers I have seen tend to be circular, and just big enough for a coffee cup.

I have used in the past a glass sheet to cut my decals also, but for some reason strayed from it.  I do have spare microwave glass plate I will now use. Thanks for the reminder little timmy.

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:03 PM

Dont know why I went  into the whole schpeel about how to decal ( maybe for the newbees....  yea  thats my story...  You  must know how we did it in an era of 4 channels all in black and white. )  Anyway ...  glad I could be of help sort of.

Remind me sometime to tell you about my system for rusting/pitting metal parts.

Its just as longwinded ... and kind of toxic.

 

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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