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Need your input on this idea...
Posted by DeafAviator on Monday, September 23, 2013 10:09 AM

So I am building a 1/32 Gee Bee (WIP pics can be seen over at the Civil Aircraft forum) and I had a thought on the painting process.

I will be painting Tamiya gloss white, followed by Tamiya gloss red scallops. On this aircraft, the red/white has a very thin black line separating the two colors. I have been trying to come up with ideas on how to recreate that pinstripe... the three most common ideas that I hear being used on these Gee Bees are:

  • Mask and paint - should be doable but VERY tedious and probably difficult to get those constant, compound curves to be symmetrical all the way across each scallop.
  • Thin black decal - Not sure how this is done because all I can see is the decal fighting every step of the way not to mention that they aren't going to want to curve all that easy. 
  • Penned in with some kind of thin marker/artist pen - My hands arent that steady Stick out tongue
How about this one though - Using a decal sheet with the entire wing's scallops printed out?
I think it would be much easier to just lay down the white, lay down singular decals for the wings and fuselage (two per wing, two or four for the fuselage), seal them all in, then mask using the decals as a guide and shoot the red. 
While that might cost a bit more in terms of expensive decal sheet, I don't see why that wouldn't work pretty well. What do you think?

Todd Barker - Colorado Springs, CO

Current Projects:

  • 1/48 Beechcraft Bonanza - N51HM (Commission)
  • 1/48 B-25 Mitchell - Back Burner/Scheme TBD
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Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, September 23, 2013 10:59 AM

Okay if you can do ALL the red with decals.  The big problem comes if you do not have a color calibrated printer.  Matching the color of paint and printer ink in homemade decals can be a real pain. One compromise is a decal that does the thin black stripe and a broader stripe of red, to ease the accuracy needed in designing the decal and the masking.  That way you do not need to be perfect.

What I have done sometimes with home-made decals is to print out a copy on regular paper and cut out the paper to use as a stencil for masking. I have sometimes put down masking tape first, then taped that stencil over the masking tape, mark the demarkation line with a pen, then cut out the masking tape with a really sharp knife.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by DeafAviator on Monday, September 23, 2013 11:58 AM
I actually meant the entire black line. No red on the decal. However I like your idea of having a small bit of matched red to hide any flaws in masking the red paint.

Todd Barker - Colorado Springs, CO

Current Projects:

  • 1/48 Beechcraft Bonanza - N51HM (Commission)
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Posted by DUSTER on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:01 AM

Oh, thank heaven, I thought you were going to do some thing complex

Sorry  I'll go be quiet over here in this corner  

But on a bit more serious note:  after you put down the black decal, as discussed above, you may want to apply a clear coat over the decal to minimize the "step" between the black decal and the application of the red paint coat. That may help minimize the telegraphing of the decal edge in the red field. Of course it will prolong your paint schedule, waiting for the clear to dry, so you may feel free to ignore the step as you wish.

Steve

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Posted by Pawel on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:56 AM

Or, you might go with a pen, but prepare a template to go along, so your hand wouldn't have to be that steady - I've seen them do something like that (on TV) at the Harley Davidson plant to pinstripe the fuel tank for their bikes - that pinstriping went really fast! Hope it helps, have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by DeafAviator on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:19 AM

Steve, I most definitely will be clear-coating - not just for surface evenness but more importantly, to keep the decal from getting most surely pulled right off from masking for the red. Could you define "telescoping" a little bit? I am not a dumb guy and can usually figure out things like that but this time I am a little bit stumped on what exactly that is. 

Would I be better off using the exact same template for paint as well as the decal, and laying down the red first and THEN the black stripe, then touching up after to hide any gaps between the red/black? I just figured doing the black first just meant that I could mask using the black pinstripe as a guide to eliminate paint/mask/template errors. 

Pawel, you definitely have a good point but I don't feel like I will be able to pull that off well - I think I am going to go with the decal, but thank you for your input!


Todd Barker - Colorado Springs, CO

Current Projects:

  • 1/48 Beechcraft Bonanza - N51HM (Commission)
  • 1/48 B-25 Mitchell - Back Burner/Scheme TBD
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  • From: back country of SO-CAL, at the birth place of Naval Aviation
Posted by DUSTER on Thursday, September 26, 2013 2:25 AM

"...keep the decal from getting most surely pulled right off from masking for the red. Could you define "telescoping" a little bit? I am not a dumb guy and can usually figure out things like that but this time I am a little bit stumped on what exactly that is. ...." 

I  never thought of you as dumb;  Sorry,  sometimes my thoughts get ahead of my finger speed and I don't notice if I caused some confusion or use some arcane term (I'm pretty arcane myself so I sometimes talk funny to you younger folks)

The Idea of the "telegraphing" is that, in this case, the edge of one decal under another would create a double thickness at the overlap, this would result in a "bump" . Thus the bottom decal edge would "telegraph" (ie show) its edge though the top layer at that location.

A poor drawing to illustrate  (also proving I still cant spell that darn word)

 

Steve

Building the perfect model---just not quite yet  Confused

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Posted by DeafAviator on Thursday, September 26, 2013 2:31 AM

Makes perfect sense. So basically what you were trying to say was not having a clear coat may mean we'd see the edge of the black decal beneath the red on top. See I gots da smarts, yo!

Now my question is... how much time did you spend making that cute little illustration? Toast


Todd Barker - Colorado Springs, CO

Current Projects:

  • 1/48 Beechcraft Bonanza - N51HM (Commission)
  • 1/48 B-25 Mitchell - Back Burner/Scheme TBD
  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:57 PM

The thickness of decal film is getting so thin in latest kits that it should minimize the problem.  Love the newer decals, except I have to force myself to always apply the decal by placing it next to desired location while still on backing sheet and slide it over.  The days of picking up a decal with tweezers off the sheet and applying it to the model seem to be over. If a decal folds back upon itself, it is done for these days!

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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