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Vision aids
Posted by DavidM on Monday, August 4, 2008 1:35 PM

HI all

Easing back into modeling I decided to get a couple of really cheap models to start on, so I must admit I was more concerned about price than content. I ended up purchasing a couple of academy aircraft, even though aircraft are not my first choice of subject and only when I opened one up did I discover that they were 144th scale.

As I suffer from both extreme short sightedness and astigmatism, working with these tiny parts is a major problem. I have seen advertised and mentioned in these forums, different types of magnifiers that are either on a head band and others which are are illuminated and can be either free standing or clamped to a surface.

The idea of the head band unit is nice as it would follow ones normal line of sight, but the illuminated unit appeals more due to the extra light it would provide.

How does the "headband" unit work for a person who already wears spectacles, would it be an option or would I be better off looking at the illuminated magnifier?

I realise that opinions will be subjective but experiences and possible advice from members in a similar position to myself would be a great help.

Getting old sucks.

Regards

David

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Posted by Triarius on Monday, August 4, 2008 2:05 PM

I wear glasses, have astigmatism in both eyes, always have, and the headband type works fine, whether you look through your glasses, over them, or through your tri or bifocals.

Optivisor, and possibly others, have versions or attachments that can supply light right on the headband.

The advantage of the headband units are that they are always pointing where you are—you don't have to put something down to adjust the magnifier, and you can return to normal vision just by raising your head to reach for the next tool you need. 

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Posted by doc-hm3 on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 8:05 AM
  Ditto to Ross' post.Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 8:09 AM

As Gunny Highway said..."Adapt and overcome."

 

 

 

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Posted by namrednef on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 5:42 PM

 

Hi, I recommend the Optivisor also.....most eyeglasses fit well beneath it and you can either flip-up the optics out of the way, or simply look 'down' while raising you head as Ross  mentioned for simple eyeglass outlook.

Here is a very unflattering pic of my Optivisor!

....Just don't clamp it too firmly about your skull......that gets painful! I've seen them for $20-$40 US 

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Posted by Daywalker on Tuesday, August 5, 2008 7:38 PM
 namrednef wrote:

....Just don't clamp it too firmly about your skull......that gets painful!

Shock [:O] NOW you tell me that! Laugh [(-D]

Oh, and Sign - Ditto [#ditto] I love my Optivisor too! Big Smile [:D]

Frank 

 

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Posted by namrednef on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:51 PM
 Daywalker wrote:
 namrednef wrote:

....Just don't clamp it too firmly about your skull......that gets painful!

Shock [:O] NOW you tell me that! Laugh [(-D]

Oh, and Sign - Ditto [#ditto] I love my Optivisor too! Big Smile [:D]

Well, in your case Frankie, the heavy clamping has manifested itself! (But hasn't hurt your building!Laugh [(-D]

I think I told Frankie that I got my Opti when I saw a guy getting ready to toss them in a dumpster because a lense screw had fallen out! I took them and held onto them because I knew I'd return to plastic modeling!

I fixed them a few months ago and they are my most important tool! 

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Posted by bayoutider on Friday, August 8, 2008 9:28 AM
I would vote for the optivisor and add lighting at your work station as needed. I use two swing arm lamps so I can position the light where I need it and keep the overhead light on as well. I also like to build on a white mat so things pop out at me. The foam mats are .99 at Hobby Lobby and come in other colors as well.
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Posted by Daywalker on Friday, August 8, 2008 5:39 PM
 namrednef wrote:
 Daywalker wrote:
 namrednef wrote:

....Just don't clamp it too firmly about your skull......that gets painful!

Shock [:O] NOW you tell me that! Laugh [(-D]

Oh, and Sign - Ditto [#ditto] I love my Optivisor too! Big Smile [:D]

Well, in your case Frankie, the heavy clamping has manifested itself! (But hasn't hurt your building!Laugh [(-D]

I think I told Frankie that I got my Opti when I saw a guy getting ready to toss them in a dumpster because a lense screw had fallen out! I took them and held onto them because I knew I'd return to plastic modeling!

I fixed them a few months ago and they are my most important tool! 

Shock [:O] Be careful about wearing them all over the house-

I once walked right into a door cuz I didn't see it coming through the optivisor.  I had my head down and missed it in the periphial view. Dunce [D)]

Frank 

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, August 9, 2008 9:03 AM
I just use 2x readers... I can't read anything with my regular glasses anyway (I'm in denial about bi-focals), so the readers were enough.  I wear 'em down on my nose so they don't screw up my looking around on the bench for something...

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Posted by namrednef on Saturday, August 9, 2008 1:35 PM

 Hans von Hammer wrote:
I just use 2x readers... I can't read anything with my regular glasses anyway (I'm in denial about bi-focals), so the readers were enough.  I wear 'em down on my nose so they don't screw up my looking around on the bench for something...

Been there.....Done that! O_o  Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by sonny on Friday, September 12, 2008 11:14 AM

I'd like to use the optivisor,but there seems to be a lot of different models.(From my E bay search).I imagine that they have to do with magnification.No stores in town (Roswell NM) carry them,so no way to test. Any suggestions?

None of the space aliens from Outer Grondor have any ideas.

 

Sonny

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Posted by Triarius on Friday, September 12, 2008 12:32 PM

Don't buy one on ebay, for starters. Your vision and comfort, as well a your general health are worth buying one new from a reputable online dealier. Google it.

They come in several magnifications. However, you can just buy the eyepieces separately once you have the head unit. I also suggest getting the moveable loup they sell—comes in very usefully when you need just an extra bit of magnification. I think they also sell an illuminated model or a kit for adding illumination.

The main question is: How old are you? The older you are, the more magnification and light your eyes need. If you are under 40, just get a medium range magnification. If you are over 40 and presbyopia (you have difficulty focusing close, and your arms aren't getting any longer Grumpy [|(]) is setting in, get the highest (that's what I use, an No. 10).

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, September 12, 2008 2:06 PM

I've always had two problems with magnifying aids.  First - when I use them I tend to lose my depth perception.  I find that, for instance, I can't judge the distance between a paintbrush and the object I'm trying to paint with it.  That problem, I imagine, can be cured with sufficient practice.

I once brought this point up with a gentleman who worked in the model restoration shop at Mystic Seaport Maritime Museum.  I noticed he was using an Optivisor (or something similar), and asked him if he'd ever had trouble judging distances with it.  He laughed and said, "That's never been a problem for me.  I'm blind in one eye."

My other problem is harder to solve, but I suspect it's a common one.  My right and left eyes are different.  The best an Optivisor or other tool of that nature can do for me is to bring one eye into focus; for both to focus on the same spot, the right and left lenses have to be different.  (As I understand it, virtually everybody's right and left eyes are different.)

When I was younger, I could build models with no magnification at all; I had trouble recognizing people from across a room without my glasses, but I was in the habit of taking them off whenever I sat down at the workbench - or, for that matter, the typewriter.  (People at the museum where I used to work used to joke that they could tell when Tilley was getting serious about something because he took his glasses off.)

Now I need bifocals.  After a couple of years of wrestling with them at the workbench, I had the optician make me a set of prescription reading glasses - lenses that only work up close.  (They blur anything further away than three feet or so.)  I had the optician make them out of heavy-duty, shatter-proof plastic, so in some cases they can function as safety glasses (though I also wear bigger safety glasses over them when I'm working at the table saw or the lathe).  Even with those glasses, though, I still have trouble seeing really fine details on a model.

The solution for me turned out to be a pair of "flip-up" magnifying lenses that clip onto my reading glasses.  They have about +3 power (I think); with their help I can see just about anything I need to see.  They cost, if I remember right about $10.00.  The reading glasses put the right and left eyes on equal terms; the "flip-up" lenses add the same magnification to what both eyes are seeing.  Come to think of it, I suppose an Optivisor worn over reading glasses would work, but it seems like it would be pretty cumbersome.

I bought my "flip-ups" from Woodcraft (www.woodcraft.com), but when I checked the Woodcraft website a minute ago I couldn't find them.  I'm sure such things are available somewhere, though.  

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by sonny on Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:51 PM

Thanks for the advice.These old eyes saw 40 many years ago and will need something less than coke bottles but more than 2X.

Will google.

Sonny

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Posted by sonny on Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:54 PM

Thanks for the input fromTilley and Triarus.My arms are definitely too short and have been for some time.

Sonny

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Posted by namrednef on Monday, September 15, 2008 12:23 PM
 sonny wrote:

Thanks for the input fromTilley and Triarus.My arms are definitely too short and have been for some time.

Sonny

Good luck Sonny.....I have currently misplaced my best eyeglasses and cannot find them!

 

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Posted by Triarius on Monday, September 15, 2008 12:50 PM
 namrednef wrote:
 sonny wrote:

Thanks for the input fromTilley and Triarus.My arms are definitely too short and have been for some time.

Sonny

Good luck Sonny.....I have currently misplaced my best eyeglasses and cannot find them!

Now here's a money-making opportunity: Glasses with location beepers like cordless phones for us old geezers…Sigh [sigh]

Now where did I leave that mouse……… 

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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