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  • Member since
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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by amilder on Monday, November 10, 2008 1:37 PM

 Air Master Modeler wrote:
Something you guys need to understand about some ebay sellers is that they get friends and relatives to bid on items they have no intention of even buying and this is how many bid wars get started. They whole point is to drive up the final price to a rediculous ammount that no sane person would pay at any retail store. I sight my experience buying on ebay and I have been trying to get a Revell 1/48 A-6E Intruder kit for two years. I have seen this kit go as high as $150.00 on ebay when it was only $25.00 when it sold in stores. This is an out of production kit but paying $150.00 to $200.00 for it is INSANE!

Yeah I meant to mention the shills. ebay has strict policy against it but how do police that? Its got to be impossible...  Yet another reason to bid last second.

Also I'm pretty sure theres lots of people out there who think if they get it off ebay they got a good deal, no matter how much they paid Sigh [sigh]

Andy
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  • From: Westerville, Ohio
Posted by Air Master Modeler on Monday, November 10, 2008 12:31 PM
Something you guys need to understand about some ebay sellers is that they get friends and relatives to bid on items they have no intention of even buying and this is how many bid wars get started. They whole point is to drive up the final price to a rediculous ammount that no sane person would pay at any retail store. I sight my experience buying on ebay and I have been trying to get a Revell 1/48 A-6E Intruder kit for two years. I have seen this kit go as high as $150.00 on ebay when it was only $25.00 when it sold in stores. This is an out of production kit but paying $150.00 to $200.00 for it is INSANE!

Rand

30 years experience building plastic models.

WIP: Revell F-14B Tomcat, backdating to F-14A VF-32 1989 Gulf Of Sidra MiG-23 Killer "Gypsy 207".

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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, November 10, 2008 12:04 PM
 jtrace214 wrote:

So its you two that beat me out....

LOL... Ya... Actually, I don't bid on much anymore except Monogram and Revell kit lots...

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  • From: Central USA
Posted by qmiester on Monday, November 3, 2008 5:35 AM

 HawkeyeHobbies wrote:
What amazes me are those who get themselves into a bidding war and end up paying more for a used/opened item when they could purchase it new for less direct from a vendor on or offline. Some people have more money than sense or are just senseless about money.

I've noticed that people will go nuts at about any kind of auction.  I once watched 3 old guys bidding on some dirty rusted metal shelves - ended up paying $20 or $25 each for them.  And this going on when they could have crawled into their cars, driven a couple of miles down the road to Wally World and bought them new for $5 - although I will say that I knew that because I had been to Wally World earlier that day and bought a couple of the shelves.

I can stll hear my uncle jumping all over my aunt about buying empty Avon bottles @ auctions & yard sales - "Why do you pay 8 to 10 bucks for an empty bottle when you can buy a full one from the Avon lady for less?"  Seemed to be a yearly ritual for them.

Quincy
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  • From: Piscataway,NJ
Posted by jtrace214 on Sunday, November 2, 2008 5:16 PM

So its you two that beat me out............Just kiddin I know its just part of the game I got the main things in the auction I wanted a great deal on tools and paints and 2 airbrushes for like $70.00,Now that I learned you here that you have to prime before using Valejios paints I got like 24 or so in the auctions and about the same in tamyia and mm,which is what I always used Now I'm a convert to the Valejios great for blending and all.

 

John

the pic to the left is my weekend condo lol

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  • From: Austin, TX
Posted by amilder on Sunday, November 2, 2008 12:21 PM

A lot of people think ebay is like a real auction, where you bid, get outbid, rebid, etc. It's not- no real auction has a time limit. The best way to do ebay is to know how much you are willing to pay, bid it, and forget it. No one will know your maximum bid unless it gets beat.

I don't know why people are hating on snipers. The only people hurt by snipers are the sellers. If you, as a buyer, bid your max as you should, and lose to someone else, then someone else was willing to pay more, end of story, you should be fine with this, whether they bid at the last second or not.

The problem is, and this is why I started sniping, the whole "validation" thing. If people see someone else bid on something, it validates their own desire, and thier percieved value increases, so they bid more. Also if they get outbid, they will start to think, "oh maybe it is worth more that I thought" and bid higher. This is how real auctions work to the sellers advantage. You see it in ebay too,  where people will bid back and forth, driving the price up beyond their original bid... Sniping short-circuits that whole mess. I'll admit there is some entertainmant value to that, but I usually just want the best price.

BTW, most sniping is done automatically. I use Auction  Sniper. You pay a small fee, but after countless times watching yahoos rebid a dozen or more times until they've exceeded your maximum, its worth it. Again, sniping would not be necessary if everyone (a) understood how ebay bidding works , and (b) just bid the maximum you are willing to pay.Thats all snipers are doing, just bidding the max they are willing to pay. You could say, although it sounds a little patronizing, they are protecting buyers from themselves....

 

Andy
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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Sunday, November 2, 2008 11:29 AM

Still lost 2 items at the last minute my buddy called them guys snipers?....

A sniper is someone who waits until the last few seconds before out-bidding you...  They sit and watch an item tick down, then start bidding in small increments, .50, .75 cents, until they they get just over the max bid, then put in a max bid that you can't beat in the time remaining...I lost many items to them, in fact, I lost one with three seconds left to a sniper and I'd been the only one bidding on it for a week...

Then I became one, lol...  But I still have a limit of price having to be less than retail including shipping...  I got suckered in on an Italeri M109A2 Howitzer once, when I was a Nugget at Ebay... 31.00 plus S&H... Had I looked around, I'd have gotten one for 12-13.00 less...

Overall, just use yer head on Ebay... Caveat Emptor an' all that...  Keep in mind also that many Ebay sellers are Ferengi-trained (nod to Trekkers) and follow the First Rule of Aquisition religiously... That rule is: "Once you have their money, you never give it back.." .

  

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  • From: Adelaide, Australia
Posted by zapme on Saturday, November 1, 2008 7:50 PM

I buy lots of modelling material from e-bay including models. Before I bid on something I put it on Watch Item then i do some research to see how much it costs at the hobby shop or on an online store. Then if the total price including P&H is less then what i can buy it for elsewhere I'll bid. I normally wait till the last minute if possible as that is how i can get the best price because I don't want to play all my cards at once if you know what i mean. I don't know why some people sell models for retail price and then add $5-15.00 postage, why would you bid!!! But the exception to the rule is when there is a model that is out of production and i realy want it then I won't be to concerned about postage unless it is outragous.

 

Leo

 

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  • From: Piscataway,NJ
Posted by jtrace214 on Thursday, October 2, 2008 10:19 PM

My ex-bosses son I'm still freinds with them played in a bowl game 2 years ago in Pheonix he plays D-2 football then for Lackawanna in Pa. now for AIC in Mass. I;m still freinds with them the store closing came from higher up than from my direct boss and I know he fought for me But Ihave the satisfaction that a lotta customers that I still see don't go there anymore due to equipment breakdowns and no one there has any idea how to weld, and of course I took all my tools with me which made them go out and buy shop tools which aint gonna last. Now I do side jobs here(welding and auto repairs) I have all my stuff here now so I've tackled jobs I couldn't before. I know snow flake is up state by some mountains I know he lives in the sticks he shoots his AK right off his front porch My uncle is a little weird I guess 3 tours in Vietnam as a Green Beret will do that to you lol.

 

Thanks John.

the pic to the left is my weekend condo lol

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  • From: Crystal Lake, IL
Posted by firesmacker on Thursday, October 2, 2008 9:16 PM

I agree on the over the top shipping fees. I see kits all the time on Ebay that are way cheaper than my LHS or an online store but, when the shipping charge is tossed in, the savings is only a few dollars. In those cases, I personally, would rather just go to the local store, see the kit with my own 2 eyes and know that if something is wrong, I can go right back and have the situation corrected without having to deal with someone half way across the country or, even worse, someone on a different continent.

For example, when I was shopping around for my 1/350 Revell Bismarck, I saw numerous people offering it on Ebay for around 70 bucks. Everyone else wanted closer to 100 dollars. On Ebay, with the shipping, the price was in the mid 90's. So the savings was negligable but the peace of mind in dealing with Internet Hobbies is what sealed the deal for me.

Maybe I just worry too much but, the thought of a kit being shipped from Asia, tossed in a shipping container with god knows what else stacked on top of it, and then treated like a Hacky-Sack by some UPS or FEDEX monkey, Makes me really try hard to only deal with my LHS or a online shop here in the states. 

Sorry for my incoherent post. I'm watching the V.P. debate and posting this at the same time. And drinking beer. 

Where was I....

Out.

Regards,

Jeff

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  • From: Naples, FL
Posted by tempestjohnny on Thursday, October 2, 2008 8:37 PM
The other thing I watch out for on ebay is when the seller probably doesn't get as much as they wanted for the item and then they try and charge you some astrnomical fee for shipping.  $10 for the kit and then $18 to ship.  New in the store $22

 

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  • From: Casa Grande, Az.
Posted by DesertRat on Thursday, October 2, 2008 5:41 PM

Actually, I'm not too sure. I've never heard of Snowflake before. But I'm going to venture that it's in the northern part of the state. I haven't officially moved there yet, but Casa Grande is about 30 miles south of Phoenix.

   ANd I can certainly understand the frustrations of being laid off. That happened to me as well late last year (followed up by a long haitus from modelling and the forums). Actually, that's why I'm moving there next month- a new job.

   Hope things get better for ya, John! But it sure looks like you've got a clear view of the silver lining there!Cool [8D]

Warmest regards,

Roger

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  • From: Piscataway,NJ
Posted by jtrace214 on Thursday, October 2, 2008 4:11 PM

No problem Desert Rat, are you near snow flake AZ. my uncle lives there Im supposed to go out there for new years hes been out there for years and i never been there. Just gotta get a digital camera so I can post some of my work not that it compares to most of whats on here.some of the stuff on this sites amazing. Now that I've been laid off from work I should have more time to build from my stash...

 

Thanks John

the pic to the left is my weekend condo lol

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  • From: Casa Grande, Az.
Posted by DesertRat on Thursday, October 2, 2008 1:08 PM
Sign - Oops [#oops] My mistake...

Warmest regards,

Roger

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  • From: Scottsdale AZ
Posted by spaltro3 on Thursday, October 2, 2008 1:14 AM

It pays to do your homework when bidding on Ebay. If I spot what looks like a good deal, I will put it on the watch list. Never bid early on, because there is always some sniper waiting to outbid you in the last 3 minutes. Ebay provides a tool to bid on items late in the auction.

I paid almost $50 for a vac-form I thought was OOP. Turned out the company is still making them, to the tune of $15 plus shipping. And many sellers will state OOP when in fact it is not, or, in the case of DML/Dragon, Revell and Italeri, is soon to be re-released. Mark at Discountmodels ( dot com ) has a great catalogue with OOP kits listed; I recommend his website especially when checking the many iterations of Dragon kits.

Fear not. Once you get the hang of it, there are some excellent deals to be had on Ebay and some great sellers to develop relationships with. Just check seller feedback to spot problems. This is very important when dealing with overseas sellers.

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  • From: Piscataway,NJ
Posted by jtrace214 on Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:36 AM

I didn't buy the tools to cut my teeth I've been building models off and on for thirty years (geeze I'm getting old 38yers old) I just saw stuff on there I never saw before or thought I could get a good deal on 1st time ebayer,not last though  saw some good prices on some Snap on tools (mechanic in real life lol) I just love to go in my basement and start working on somthing look up at the clock and say some swears cause its 2:00 am and have to be at work at 6:30 am lol.. I make models mostly 1/35 military and I also build and repair local race cars in my garage for extra money. Dont have a signifacant other so I do as I please like oct. 9th going camping till tue of the following week fifth time this year just me my tent canoe and fishing poles...

 

John

the pic to the left is my weekend condo lol

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  • From: Casa Grande, Az.
Posted by DesertRat on Wednesday, October 1, 2008 10:33 PM

Outside of kits themselves, the only tools I bought off of Ebay was an air compressor and a set of 3 airbrushes. Actually got a pretty good deal on em too! But yeah, it's sad to say that there are snipers everywhere on Ebay. It's just the nature of the beast...

   While I'm glad that you got hooked up with some much needed tools to cut your teeth on the bech, I'm sad to hear that the guy ya bought em from was getting out of the hobby.Sigh [sigh]

Warmest regards,

Roger

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  • From: Neenah, WI
Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Wednesday, October 1, 2008 7:00 AM
What amazes me are those who get themselves into a bidding war and end up paying more for a used/opened item when they could purchase it new for less direct from a vendor on or offline. Some people have more money than sense or are just senseless about money.

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

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  • From: Third rock from the sun.
Posted by Woody on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:49 PM

Most of the time I bid and let it ride. Kind of like fire and forget. LOL I did recently get into a bidding war over a hobby knife. I gave up at $75.00, man oh man I wanted that knife. I've been selling more than buying of late. Have been keeping about 50 kits for sale on the big "E".


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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:31 PM

I bid mostly on lots of several kits... There's a few that I've won without bidding more than once as well... The biggest bid war I get is when it's on OOP kits, but I still have a retail limit I set.  I've bought about a 100 kits since July, but I also finance it with stuff I sell on ebay as well... I collected a LOT of WW2 stuff over the years, so it was time to get rid of stuff like parachutes, helmets, some uniforms, and field gear as I have no further use for it.. Sold off several flight helmets that were crowding me and they brought in a pretty good price from newbies... Way more than I paid for them ten and twenty years ago, so they served their purpose as investment items...  At any rate, I've made more on ebay than I've spent, so life is good...

 

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  • From: Piscataway,NJ
Posted by jtrace214 on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:59 PM

thats what I did was set a max. bid and I lost one of the items by one dollar. still I think I got a good deal on the stuff I won so I'm happy a huge lot of Tamyia and Vellijo paints was like $70.00 it had 18 bottles of Vellijo xo I think I did good on that my LHS gets like $4.00 a piece. Iwas just amazed at the punches I set a max bid of $55.00 which was good till like  a min. to go then it shot up to $80.00 no way lol you did good on th vac. form kit Hawkeye,thats amazing. I still prefer to go to my LHS but he is a little steep average car model is like 17-18 bucks,but I like the guy and realize his overhead and all so I support himand if any of you some how find yourselves in central Jersey its Avenel hobbies great store on rt 35s. lotsa aftermarket stuff and the owner Randy is very knowlegable..

 

thaks again John

the pic to the left is my weekend condo lol

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  • From: Neenah, WI
Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:45 AM

Shopping on eBay is no different than shopping anywhere else. You need to know what you are bidding on, what the value is and what you are willing to pay for it.

It is like going to SAM's club or similar warehouse store to purchase your groceries, prices on the surface seem good...until you do the math...the large bulk packages though appealing may not be practical or a savings.

Same goes for shopping on eBay. The seller is hedging that the bidders are going to keep out doing each other. The seller is usually the winner. I once sold a vacform kit...I listed it for $5.00 which covered the fair price I wanted for it plus postage...if I got the $5.00 I would be satisfied. Imagine my surprise when I got my notification that the auction had ended at the kit fetched me $80.00!

If you were physically in front of the seller, waving cash offers for the items probably would mean you could get a better price, a savings in fact. 

eBay allows you to set a maximum bid price you are willing to pay. I recommend you use this to avoid getting sucked into a bid war...set it and forget it. Watching the bid only lures you into the process of over paying a price you deemed fair when you entered your initial bid. 

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

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  • From: The Bluegrass State
Posted by EasyMike on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:20 AM

 jtrace214 wrote:
...I thought ebay was to save some money, not spend more than the items are new........Anybody else buy on ebay?...
 

The intent of ebay is to make money for the sellers.  It's as simple as that.  I use ebay and like the convenience of it, but I try to keep things rational.  If the seller has the item already priced at more than I want to pay, I pass on it.

I got tired of watching bids and quit doing that a long time ago.  If I see something I want, I enter a bid for what I want to pay and leave it at that.  If I win the article, I got it for what I wanted to pay.  If I don't win the article, no harm done.  I had already bid all I was willing to pay.

 Smile [:)]

 

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  • From: l'Ancienne-Lorette, Québec, Canada
Posted by gberthiaume on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:15 AM
I once bid on a 1/35th scale German WWII  6x4 Truck Krupp Protze and when I received it and opened the box it turned out to be a 1/35th Sherman Tank. Fortunately the seller was nice enough to admit the error and shipped me the correct kit, also let me keep the Sherman for free. So as far as I can say I have had a good experience with my 2 for 1 purchase on eBay! Big Smile [:D]
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  • From: Piscataway,NJ
Posted by jtrace214 on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:35 AM

I was trying to do that but fell asleep with about a half hour to go. Need to bid on auctions that end earlier....

 

John

the pic to the left is my weekend condo lol

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  • From: vancouver
Posted by angguuss on Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:22 AM
Just watch the items that you want and bid again, and well... not that i am encourging you, but everybody do sniping in the last 30 sec before time's up. good luck, just hope there is no one else that would like to pay more than you do
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ebay
Posted by jtrace214 on Monday, September 29, 2008 10:40 PM

I just won some tools and paints a guy was selling getting out of the hobby I checked prices before bidding so I knew how high to go some of the things went crazy two historex punch sets one round one hex. almost $100.00 each weathering powders $74.00 outragous. I thought ebay was to save some money, not spend more than the items are new........Anybody else buy on ebay? this was my first auction so I did homework on prices. Still lost 2 items at the last minute my buddy called them guys snipers?....

 

John

the pic to the left is my weekend condo lol

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