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  • From: Franklin Wi
AK Real Colors Paint
Posted by Bakster on Saturday, April 20, 2019 2:47 PM

AKs acrylic lacquer has been around for a few years now, and maybe this is old news to many of you. Some of you might not have tried it, and this post is for you.

Here are my first impressions of it:

I used a white plastic spoon for this test. The spoon was washed, but not sanded. I used Tamiya lacquer thinner to cut the paint by about 1:1. The paint sprayed on like a dream, and it covered quickly. In the example below I started by spraying light coats followed by a heavy coat.

On this side of the spoon I went straight to a heavy coat. I wanted to see how the paint reacts between both processes. I was a little worried with side 2 because I could see what looked like a grain to it. I thought maybe the lacquer was crazing the plastic. In the end, this was not the case. I think it's how the paint dries that gave it that appearance.

For grins, I gave the paint 24 hours to cure. I checked both sides for grain and both feel extremely smooth. I could not feel a difference either way.

Next, I applied Tamiya Masking Tape--pressing it down as hard as I could. I found no evidence of paint failure when I ripped the tape up. I tried this several times and the result was always the same. This paint sticks! The only thing I noticed is a slight change in sheen from where the spoon was masked and where it wasn't. Once I noticed this, I lightly rubbed the non-masked areas, and this equalized it. What this tells me is that in the drying process it seems to produce a light oxidation. It comes off easily by wiping.

Final thoughts...

The smell was not overpowering.

The paint dries fast.

The paint sticks well.

The paint covers quickly.

The only negative I can see is the oxidation. And for me, it's not an issue.

My next test will be with a gloss. I want to see how well their gloss works.

 

 

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Posted by keavdog on Saturday, April 20, 2019 2:54 PM

Thanks for the review. I have yet to try these paints but I hear/read good things. 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by Greg on Saturday, April 20, 2019 3:00 PM

Bakster
AKs acrylic lacquer has been around for a few years now, and maybe this is old news to many of you. Some of you might not have tried it, and this post is for you.

I've heard of AK, never tried it, and have been curious. So yep, your post is for me.

Interesting, and the green sure does look good on that spoon.

Thanks for the mini-review. Yes

-Greg

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Posted by Tojo72 on Saturday, April 20, 2019 3:59 PM
Sounds good

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Posted by Bakster on Saturday, April 20, 2019 5:12 PM

You are welcome John, and Greg. Yes, the paint responded really well, Tojo. I will let you guys know how the gloss works out.

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Posted by Rambo on Sunday, April 21, 2019 2:46 AM

I just used this paint on my current build. It's the best spraying paint I have used I would say even better than Tamiya. I used AKs own thinner at a ratio of 1:2 (Paint:Thinner) It dries really smooth very little oder and masked with no problems as Bakster has already said.

Greg if you go looking for them they are the AK Real Color line, they have a older AK Acrylic line in Vallejo style bottles they act just like Vallejo paint as well.

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, April 21, 2019 8:59 AM

My primary LHS started carrying this line last summer. I used it on a build last summer and was happy with how the paint worked for the most part. I have heard that one can get best results with Gunze self leveling thinner. I do love the color selection in their line and that they have many armor centric colors not previously available.

 

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:07 AM

Rambo
Greg if you go looking for them they are the AK Real Color line, they have a older AK Acrylic line in Vallejo style bottles they act just like Vallejo paint as well.

Thanks for the additional info, Clint. And you too, Stik. Looks like good stuff. "Sprays better than Tamiya" does sound promising.

-Greg

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 21, 2019 10:07 AM

Good morning Folks and Happy Easter!

Thanks Rambo and Stik for chiming in. I appreciate your input on this. There are a couple of things I would like to add:

1. I agree with Rambo, and in my opinion, the paint may be better than Tamiya. One thing for sure, it's adhesion properties are top notch. I have had a few instances lately where Tamiya failed me when I pulled off masking. 

2. I was way off about one thing. This paint does not appear to come in a gloss. The paints produce an eggshell finish. So, they seem tailored to aircraft, war ships, and armor modeling. Of course, they can still be used with other things, but from what I can tell, if you want a gloss, you'll need to add a topcoat. Or, find a lacquer based clear gloss to mix in with the paint. I am a little disappointed with that aspect but that's ok. It may require a change in my workflow.

3. I watched a few videos on this paint and one where the person tested various lacquer thinners to reduce with. I don't recall if he tried Gunzo but in his testing the AK thinner seemed to produce the best results based on those he tested. It is interesting though Stik, about the Gunzo. Could be worth a try.

4. A note about the smell. It has a strange smell to it but I did not find the stuff overpowering. That said, I have a pretty good spray booth evacuation system. So, I am not saying you'd be ok to use this without something to clear the air.

 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, April 21, 2019 6:04 PM

Hey Clint and Baxter thanks for your report. I have been looking for MM enamel replacements since they have dropped certain FS colors so this AK line may be a good replacement route since it's lacquer based. I believe they should behave a lot like MM enamels?

The AK Real line has a TON of different colors so that is a plus. I would think they don't have the tip dry issue acrylics have, just wondering your comments on that.

I have heard good things about MRP also but I believe only one place here in the US carries them and think it would be similar to the AK Real line.  

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, April 21, 2019 7:34 PM

plasticjunkie

Hey Clint and Baxter thanks for your report. I have been looking for MM enamel replacements since they have dropped certain FS colors so this AK line may be a good replacement route since it's lacquer based. I believe they should behave a lot like MM enamels?

The AK Real line has a TON of different colors so that is a plus. I would think they don't have the tip dry issue acrylics have, just wondering your comments on that.

I have heard good things about MRP also but I believe only one place here in the US carries them and think it would be similar to the AK Real line.  

 

If you want to stay with enamels, try Humbrol for replacing most of the discontinued Model Master FS colors. They make a very comprehensive enamel line and have been introducing new colors and bringing back a few old ones as well over the past few years. Don’t give up on enamels yet.

 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, April 21, 2019 7:41 PM

stikpusher

 

 
plasticjunkie

Hey Clint and Baxter thanks for your report. I have been looking for MM enamel replacements since they have dropped certain FS colors so this AK line may be a good replacement route since it's lacquer based. I believe they should behave a lot like MM enamels?

The AK Real line has a TON of different colors so that is a plus. I would think they don't have the tip dry issue acrylics have, just wondering your comments on that.

I have heard good things about MRP also but I believe only one place here in the US carries them and think it would be similar to the AK Real line.  

 

 

 

If you want to stay with enamels, try Humbrol for replacing most of the discontinued Model Master FS colors. They make a very comprehensive enamel line and have been introducing new colors and bringing back a few old ones as well over the past few years. Don’t give up on enamels yet.

 

Thanks stick. Totally forgot about the small Humbrol tins. These were the paints I started using in the early 70’s and hand brushed very well too. Hopefully their formula hasn't changed.  

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Posted by Bakster on Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:07 PM

plasticjunkie

The AK Real line has a TON of different colors so that is a plus. I would think they don't have the tip dry issue acrylics have, just wondering your comments on that. 

PJ, you are welcome. I had seen no evidence of tip dry.

Today I again looked at the spoons that I tested on and I am amazed at how smooth the finish is. It is really impressive for being a flat coat.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:21 PM

Bakster

 

 
plasticjunkie

The AK Real line has a TON of different colors so that is a plus. I would think they don't have the tip dry issue acrylics have, just wondering your comments on that. 

 

 

PJ, you are welcome. I had seen no evidence of tip dry.

 

Today I again looked at the spoons that I tested on and I am amazed at how smooth the finish is. It is really impressive for being a flat coat.

 

Thanks Baxter.

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Posted by mawright20 on Tuesday, April 23, 2019 1:26 AM
So are these acrylic, or laquer/enamel? Also, what are you using for primer?
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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:40 AM

mawright20
So are these acrylic, or laquer/enamel? Also, what are you using for primer?
 

He mentioned it in the first post... acrylic lacquer.

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, April 23, 2019 9:10 AM

mawright20
what are you using for primer?

I didn't use a primer with the tests that I did here. I had sprayed directly to the plastic.

Your question brings up a good point. Generally, my main reason to prime a model is to give the color coat something to grab onto. In my opinion, I don't see a need to prime when using these paints. All in one shot, the paint gives good adhesion whilst supplying the top color. The caveat to all this is that the prepaint prep is done well. Primer is often used to help identify and correct problems before paint. 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, April 23, 2019 9:57 AM

Bakster

 

 
mawright20
what are you using for primer?

 

I didn't use a primer with the tests that I did here. I had sprayed directly to the plastic.

 

 

With these acrylic lacquers as with the Tamiya paints I find them very durable and having excellent bonding qualities. I have never had bonding isues with Tamiya paints sprayed directly on the plastic but quite different with Vallejo and MM Acryl which scratch and lift easily unless a solvent type primer is used.

So Baxter, they spray like Tamiya paints then?

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:20 AM

plasticjunkie
So Baxter, they spray like Tamiya paints then?

PJ: In my experience just as good, if not better. It was really easy to work with. I am most impressed with how smooth the finish is and it's durability. I have not had such a good finish on an eggshell/flat, even with using Tamiya. Don't take my word for it, buy a bottle and try it for yourself. I think you will like it.

I can recommend a place to buy through if you want. PM me if you want. Or, if you guys think it's ok, I can post the name here. They seemed to stock it well and they shipped it pretty quickly. They ship from Michigan.

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Posted by crown r n7 on Tuesday, April 23, 2019 3:18 PM

Me too Ive been using arylics more then my beloved enamels lately Im getting the hang of them more, many thanks that report!!

Nick.

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Posted by Rambo on Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:06 PM
I always prime with Tamiya grey primer to make sure I have no flaws before paint. I'm really impressed with this paint and will start buying it to replace my lifecolor and Tamiya paints. I wish my LHS carried it but Dave at last cavalry models in Michigan carries the entire line. He's a great guy and have talked with him a lot at shows around here don't have to worry about placing a order with him.

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Posted by mawright20 on Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:37 PM

So I'm confused. Are these 'acrylic' or enamel? I'm not familiar with the term acrylic laquer. As I often travel international, I'm limited on what I can drag along for projects. I can truly vouch for how Vallejo and MM definitely need primer for their acrylics.

Where in Michigan? Any links for contact?

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Posted by Rambo on Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:48 PM

they are acrylic suspended in laquer. Here is where I get mine from.

https://shop.lastcavalry.com/

Clint

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Posted by Bakster on Tuesday, April 23, 2019 10:59 PM

mawright20

So I'm confused. Are these 'acrylic' or enamel? I'm not familiar with the term acrylic laquer. As I often travel international, I'm limited on what I can drag along for projects. I can truly vouch for how Vallejo and MM definitely need primer for their acrylics.

Where in Michigan? Any links for contact?

 

Here is an AK video link that you might find helpful. More videos follow as each finishes. Or they should dependiing. They have a series of videos. Look for them.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mle3Tj2C3q4

 

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Posted by mawright20 on Wednesday, April 24, 2019 1:49 AM
Hamster, Rambo,,,thanks for the info
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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, April 24, 2019 5:48 AM

Rambo

they are acrylic suspended in laquer. Here is where I get mine from.

https://shop.lastcavalry.com/

 

I suggest looking at Scale Hobbyist, way cheaper there.

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, April 24, 2019 8:25 AM

Bakster
I can recommend a place to buy through if you want. ....... Or, if you guys think it's ok, I can post the name here.

Please do....

-Greg

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Posted by Bakster on Wednesday, April 24, 2019 9:07 AM

Well Gregster-- I would recommend using what Plasticjunkie found, Scale Hobbyist. They seem to stock them well too and they are $1 less per bottle than where I bought from. If in a pinch--the place I found is Michigan Toy Soldier. If you are ever in their area Greg--you might want to stop in there. It looks like a cool store.

https://www.michtoy.com/

Boy I am tired today. My squirrel cage really has me spent. Wink

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, April 24, 2019 12:37 PM

Thanks for the additional info.

You might want to hook that squirrel cage up to a generator, get some use from all that expended energy....

Bakster
the place I found is Michigan Toy Soldier. If you are ever in their area Greg--you might want to stop in there. It looks like a cool store.

Well, if I ever find myself driving to Toronto again, the store isn't too far off route......

-Greg

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, April 24, 2019 2:47 PM

Bakster

 

 
plasticjunkie
So Baxter, they spray like Tamiya paints then?

 

PJ: In my experience just as good, if not better. It was really easy to work with. I am most impressed with how smooth the finish is and it's durability. I have not had such a good finish on an eggshell/flat, even with using Tamiya.

I can recommend a place to buy through if you want. PM me if you want. Or, if you guys think it's ok, I can post the name here. They seemed to stock it well and they shipped it pretty quickly. They ship from Michigan.

 

 

Let me guess: www.michtoy.com.   $3.99 a bottle. Why keep it a secret?

I’ve ordered from them a few times myself.

 

Scalehobbyist has them for $2.99 a bottle. I think it depends where you buy them. Most online hobby stores carry them nowadays. You just got to compare prices and check for sales.

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