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Tenax 7R vs Ambroid Pro Weld.....Also Tamiya Super Thin?

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Tenax 7R vs Ambroid Pro Weld.....Also Tamiya Super Thin?
Posted by MikeV on Saturday, December 1, 2007 7:34 PM

Has anyone compared the two?

I am almost out of Tenax and was wondering if the Ambroid Pro Weld was just as good? Better? Or not as good?

Also, I have heard many people say they like the Tamiya super thin cement and was wondering if it flows alright through the Touch-N-Flow applicator?  What about evaporation?

The Tenax evaporates real fast.

Thanks 

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, December 1, 2007 7:41 PM

I have used all 3 & prefer Tenax-7R with Ambroid Pro-Weld a close second.  The Tamiya extra thin is OK, but takes a lot more care in application than the the other 2.  I don't use the Touch & Clog, err Flow applicator so can't comment on that.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, December 1, 2007 7:54 PM
 rjkplasticmod wrote:

I have used all 3 & prefer Tenax-7R with Ambroid Pro-Weld a close second.  The Tamiya extra thin is OK, but takes a lot more care in application than the the other 2.  I don't use the Touch & Clog, err Flow applicator so can't comment on that.

Regards,  Rick

Thanks Rick, yes the Touch-N-Flow does seem to clog a lot.

What do you use? A brush?  

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, December 1, 2007 9:07 PM

I just smear it on with my finger... No wait, that's how I butter my toast Big Smile [:D].

Yep, I use a cheap #0 brush for most applications.  Does wear brushes out pretty fast.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, December 1, 2007 9:14 PM

Rick,

Doesn't Tenax evaporate before you even get the brush to the model?  

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, December 1, 2007 9:31 PM

Never had that problem Mike, it doesn't evaporate that quickly.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, December 2, 2007 7:36 AM
 rjkplasticmod wrote:

I just smear it on with my finger... No wait, that's how I butter my toast Big Smile [:D].

Yep, I use a cheap #0 brush for most applications.  Does wear brushes out pretty fast.

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by crockett on Sunday, December 2, 2007 9:25 AM
 rjkplasticmod wrote:

I have used all 3 & prefer Tenax-7R with Ambroid Pro-Weld a close second.  The Tamiya extra thin is OK, but takes a lot more care in application than the the other 2.  I don't use the Touch & Clog, err Flow applicator so can't comment on that.

Regards,  Rick

I'm right with Rick here, I use those small applicators or a brush with the Tenax.

 

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Posted by hkshooter on Tuesday, December 4, 2007 8:06 PM
I use Tenax and Tamiya xthin. I like the Tamiya really well as it gives more working time than the Tenax. Tenax accidents can make much more work than one may like also. If you dribble some on a smooth surface it will instantly marr the surface and heaven forbid one try to wipe it off. It works to fast and all you do is smear the surface. Let it dry and then sand or fill and sand the surface. I only use Tenax on rare occasions when it really fits the bill well.
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, December 4, 2007 8:25 PM

 hkshooter wrote:
I use Tenax and Tamiya xthin. I like the Tamiya really well as it gives more working time than the Tenax. Tenax accidents can make much more work than one may like also. If you dribble some on a smooth surface it will instantly marr the surface and heaven forbid one try to wipe it off. It works to fast and all you do is smear the surface. Let it dry and then sand or fill and sand the surface. I only use Tenax on rare occasions when it really fits the bill well.

Actually, the reason I don't like Tamiya Xtra thin is because of the longer setting time.  I prefer the fast action of Tenax & Ambroid, but to each his own.  As far as accident  clean up, I suspect it would be equally hard with all three, but I wouldn't know cause I never have accidents Whistling [:-^].

Regards,  Rick

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Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, December 4, 2007 9:38 PM
I'm sold on both Tamiya liquid cements. As a former tenax user, they do seem (at least to me) to be more forgiving, and being as my hands are nowhere near as steady as they were 10 years ago, I consider that a blessing of sorts. Wink [;)]

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Posted by arki30 on Tuesday, December 4, 2007 11:56 PM
I've never used Tenax or Tamiya Super Thin but do use Pro Weld and love it.  It usually comes with a brush applicator attached to the cap to boot.

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Posted by Sherman1111 on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 5:01 AM
You may want to try Weld-on #3 or #4, if you can buy it where you live. 3 is stronger than 4 and a lot cheaper than buying by the bottle. PT or QT . same chemical as tenax, methal chloride. I have used 4 with no problems,
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Posted by KINGTHAD on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 8:33 AM

I find here in Texas (dont know if that has anything to do with it)Tenax does evaporat's faster than Tamiya. So when putting a fuse together I go with Tamiya. Other than that I use both.

 

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Posted by DrewH on Wednesday, December 5, 2007 8:44 PM

I have found that Pro-Weld and Tenax to be so close in the way they work, I would get either one at the time I needed it.

Now I go to the local Plastics supply shop (use your yellow pages - you'll find one) and get a 'can' of methyl chloride. It works just as good as Tenax and Pro-weld. A 8oz can costs $5 and fills three pro-weld bottles no problem. It does evaporate just as quick as Tenax, so it is best to put it into bottles that have air tight tops.

 

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Posted by Camojoe2 on Saturday, December 8, 2007 8:56 PM

 Well KINGTHAD, I don't know what Texas has to do with it either, but there is a TEXAN in TENAX, LOL....

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Posted by SteveM on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:25 PM

Put me down as another Tenax Texan. Love it.

Steve 

 

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Posted by MikeV on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 6:07 PM
 SteveM wrote:

Put me down as another Tenax Texan. Love it.

Steve 

 

Austin eh? My friend Tami lives in Taylor which is not far from Austin.

Austin is the home of the best guitarist of all time IMHO.....Stevie Ray Vaughan.  

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Posted by SteveM on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 5:14 PM
Well, he actually hasn't lived here in quite some time. But he is most certainly still ever-present.

Steve 

 

 

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Posted by Got Hinomaru? on Saturday, December 15, 2007 2:24 AM

Steve, a fellow Austinite huh? I lived in Cedar Park for many years. I miss it a lot especially this time of year. I hate the cold. Keep Austin Wierd. Have a sandwitch at Katz's and if you see him, say hi to Leslie for me. Wink [;)]

 

 

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Posted by SteveM on Saturday, December 22, 2007 9:20 AM

it's actually turning into Keep Austin Expanded and Expensive. Not the same old small college town anymore. The Yuppies won.

Steve

 

 

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Posted by dante on Saturday, December 22, 2007 11:12 AM

I'm too old and my hand, eyes and a stroke which took my right hand away have forced me to come up with differing techniques. I use Tenax and Testors plastic cement, I have not tried Ambroid.

The Testors is forgiving and has a longer dry time, it doesn't hurt the plastic when you make a mistake. Tenax has a short dry time a does hurt the plastic.

I have not tried methal chloride but to save money I will.

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Posted by DrewH on Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:39 PM

 dante wrote:
I have not tried methal chloride but to save money I will.

Methyl Chloride is the base to Tenax and Ambroin's Pro Weld. They just add some things to slow of hasten the effects of the solvent. If you smell them (and I don't recomend that!) they are almost exactly the same.

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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:13 PM
 DrewH wrote:

 dante wrote:
I have not tried methal chloride but to save money I will.

Methyl Chloride is the base to Tenax and Ambroin's Pro Weld. They just add some things to slow of hasten the effects of the solvent. If you smell them (and I don't recomend that!) they are almost exactly the same.

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Sorry, had a reggae moment there. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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Posted by DrewH on Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:44 PM
 MikeV wrote:
 DrewH wrote:

 dante wrote:
I have not tried methal chloride but to save money I will.

Methyl Chloride is the base to Tenax and Ambroin's Pro Weld. They just add some things to slow of hasten the effects of the solvent. If you smell them (and I don't recomend that!) they are almost exactly the same.

"I smoke two joints in time of peace and two in time of war, I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints, and then I smoke two more." Laugh [(-D]

Sorry, had a reggae moment there. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Must be the glue huh MikeLaugh [(-D]

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Posted by namrednef on Sunday, December 23, 2007 9:09 AM
But why is everybody out of these products? Where can I buy some?
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Posted by DrewH on Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:55 PM

 namrednef wrote:
But why is everybody out of these products? Where can I buy some?

I have heard that also. I don't have any idea why though.

Look in your local Yellow pages under plastics suppliers. Call them up and they should have Methyl Chloride. It's used for bondong acryilic sheets - same as Ambroid's pro-weld. THere is another name for it too, but it's evading me at this point.

It does eveaporate the same as Tenax and Pro-Weld, rather quick. I have old glue bottles I pour the liquid into to keep it sealed in. One small can - 8oz - is only $7-8. Far cheaper than a 2oz bottle of proweld that normally goes for $5.

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Posted by wyoroy on Sunday, December 23, 2007 4:22 PM

My vote is for Tenax 7R.  Never used anything else except testor's liquid glue.

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Posted by namrednef on Tuesday, December 25, 2007 4:17 PM

 

 Well, my Christmas has been most happy!.....and most busy! The GF has been in town since Friday and the closest I've come to modeling or model prep, is to peer in here at odd times.

 Tonight, I was looking around at local suppliers based on things I learned at this thread. This is a local plastics company in Bridgeport, CT....a pint is $9.50.....quart is 13.29.

 For anyone having trouble locating Ambroid or Tenax....this is IPS Weld On 3...as mentioned here in an earlier post. 

 

 http://www.modernplastics.com/ips-weldon-acrylic-cement-p-1195.html

 Merry Christmas!

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Posted by DrewH on Tuesday, December 25, 2007 6:05 PM
That's the exact stuff I use Nam. Good find.
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