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Posted by Ted4321 on Sunday, March 17, 2019 12:58 PM

Thanks for sharing.  This is very interesting. 

T e d

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Sunday, March 17, 2019 9:46 AM

Yeah:

 Sad ain't it ! T.B.

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Posted by Nino on Monday, September 17, 2018 7:42 PM

 

Oh TB,

     You said it. U.S. Govt. is not above smearing folks.  Let's skip current topics though.  I followed the UFO community for many years, they sure know about the gov'ment and bureaucratic pressure. Those UFO research organization folks have some serious stamina to take the abuse and keep on going. I always thought it was intriguing how several knowledgeable persons changed their minds about UFO's and joined the UFO Believers community in spite of the ridicule (and swamp gas).   There's a new show coming on called Project Blue Book. Stay tuned...

     You said it.  Read about the 19th century salvage operations on the CSS Virginia and how that was messed up. No wonder we need artistic license to build a model of it.

   You said it. Janes had some good timely stuff. Unbelievable what they got pictures of.  And not just pictures... specs on armor, armaments, munitions, weight, speed, and even got close on diving depth.

     I'm sure Governments plan certain leaks. No doubt to scare adversaries or to make them spend money.  I suspect many members on the Ships forum have had Security Clearances.  We know how it works.  There's stuff we can't talk about and  then we read in our favorite Mag all the stuff we still can't talk about.  Frustrating, ain't it!

     I always wondered how we got some pictures of the latest technology of our Counterparts in the Worlds Navies. How else would we know of the Type94 and 95  PLAN Subs unless it got leaked.   No doubt leaked in order that more money can be provided so that there is  no " Mine Shaft Gap".  Of course the other World Powers do the same. I can get some pretty accurate models of The USN's Special Ops boats like Parche and  Seawolf SSN 575 from Russian manufacturers but the USN and powers that be won't release anything.   Well, everything leaks, that's why there are bilge pumps. 

      So the Son of Samuel Morison got pardoned by President Clinton. Well, maybe we owed it in memory to the father, A great Historian and Naval officer

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, September 17, 2018 10:13 AM

Nino ;

 As you can see , the U.S. Govt. is not above smearing someone after they have been rendered defenseless . They did something similar to a well known author after his salvage and research company found some sunken Navy vessels , the Navy COULD NOT locate .  They informed the Navy who then called them pirates and thieves for even looking at those vessels .

 Yet the Govt , Because it doesn't generate money for Senators and Congresspersons won't embark on these voyages on their own . Let someone else do it and then we'll get ownership thereof .

  What about all the Buships info that Janes Fighting Ships 1959 edition  , had ALL the pictures of our new ships in the issue . Where did those photos come from ? 

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Posted by Nino on Saturday, September 8, 2018 4:18 AM

Regarding the 1st book referenced:

I believe that would be the son of Samuel Eliot Morison whose History of United States Naval Operations in World War II is my favorite reference.

The Son's Book:

 

And then there is this:
A former naval intelligence analyst was convicted today ( Oct 18th, 1985) on charges of espionage and theft for giving secret photographs to a British military journal and having other secret information in his home.
The analyst, Samuel Loring Morison, a civilian, was found guilty of all four counts in the indictment. Mr. Morison, a grandson of the naval historian Samuel Eliot Morison, faces a maximum sentence of 40 years in prison and $40,000 in fines

And then...
March 10th 2015:
BALTIMORE — A Maryland man whose espionage conviction made headlines in the 1980s acknowledged a more common crime Thursday: theft.
Samuel Loring Morison pleaded guilty to stealing boxes worth of government records from a naval history archive in the nation's capital. The records were related to his grandfather, a prominent historian.
Morison, 70, pleaded guilty to theft of government property and was sentenced to two years of probation. He must also cooperate with officials in returning any additional items that belong to the government. A prosecutor said Morison stole thousands of records — including maps, charts and photographs — from the Naval History and Heritage Command in Washington, which preserves U.S. naval history.
The records, which filled 34 boxes, were related to his grandfather, Rear Adm. Samuel Eliot Morison.
The elder Morison, a Harvard University professor who died in 1976, was a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner in the biography category for biographies of Christopher Columbus and John Paul Jones, a hero of the Revolutionary War. He also wrote a 15-volume history of World War II naval operations that was published between 1947 and 1962. Records the younger Morison took were used by his grandfather in writing the series.
Prosecutor James Warwick said Thursday during a court hearing that the stolen records were appraised at $10,000 to $30,000, but he called them "irreplaceable." In court the judge was shown about a dozen of the objects Morison took, including a map with his grandfather's handwritten notes and a photographic print of the famous flag raising on Iwo Jima.
Morison's attorney, James Wyda, said during the hearing that Morison, who did paid research work at the Naval History and Heritage Command, was going through difficult times financially and was in poor health. He said his client "lost his perspective" and "convinced himself he was entitled" to the documents, which were found in his home in Crofton, Maryland. He also had an agreement with a bookstore to sell other records through eBay.
In 1985, Morison was convicted of leaking spy satellite photographs to the British military magazine Jane's Defence Weekly. At the time he gave the magazine the photographs of the Soviet Navy's first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier under construction.
Morison was convicted of two counts of espionage and two counts of theft of government property and sentenced to two years in prison. He was pardoned by President Bill Clinton in 2001.


He also wrote this:  The American Battleship

As you can see I had an inerest in the Morison heritage.

   Nino

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Oho! I even snuck down here !
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, August 10, 2018 10:41 AM

Hi , T.B. Here !

  Listen , I wanted to share something of interest to Modelers of U.S.Naval History . I have recently come across these two books .

   Like new and jam full of facts and pictures as well as text .The first one is titled " United States Naval Vessels " - Official U.S.Navy reference Manual Prepared by Division of Naval Intelligence  -1 September 1945 .

  This was compiled by Samuel Loring Morison . It covers everything from Tugs to Battleships and Auxiliaries with a few others thrown in . It also has Identification Profiles and Silhouettes . Recommendation , Five stars . Library of congress # 96-67603 , publication date and copyright 1996 - ISBN 0-7643-0090-3 By Schiffer Publishing .Over 600 pages ( they are NOT numbered ! ) 

  This tome covers The U.S.N. and even though Black and White photos abound , you will find a Plethora of ships and classes that many don't know even existed !

      The second publication is this one . It's by our good friend Norman Friedman . It is U.S.Destroyers , An illustrated Design History. Profile drawings by A.D.Baker III . It's published by Naval Institute Press - Copyright 1982 - ISBN 0-87021- 733-X . 489 pages .

   This publication covers the years from 1886-1898 all the way to Nuclear Frigates and destroyers of the modern Navy to the ships under consideration in 1981 .

 Recommendation for Destroyer Officianadoes Five Stars . 

    I am very lucky to have them because they fill a lot of gaps in my knowledge of the vessels of the primary superior Navy in my world . Don't get me wrong , there are some outstanding English , French , Soviet and Yes , even Chinese designs out there .

 The fact that these came to me in like new condition is why I place so much value on them . They are for the General U.S.Naval and Destroyer modeler , I believe the Quintessential referrence books .

 If you don't have them , Find them . If you do have them , treasure them like Platinum Bars in your possession . I believe you will find something in each that will have you saying , " Gee , I didn't know that " Even if you ARE a student of Naval History .

 Thanks for your patience in reading this .  Tanker - Builder  - - - - P.S. I wish more was available on Tanker Ships like this . There are so many , they would fill at least five books this size ! From the time of  Pre-Ceasar days , all the way to the Present !

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