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What is considerded adequate ventilation?
Posted by commietank on Thursday, November 15, 2018 5:45 PM

Hello, I’m pretty new to modeling and a lot the building materials I use have instructions to make sure ventilation is adequate. I use testors glue, tamiya decal solution, and handbrush Tamiya and Vallejo acrylic paints. I usually build for at most 2 to 3 hours at a time in a medium sized room with the door and windows opened and the ceiling fan on with a n95 mask on. Is this adequate ventilation? If not, what is?

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, November 16, 2018 9:21 AM

Boy, I would sure think so.  I live in the far north, where we never have doors and windows open in the winter.  I 80, and have been building models for almost 75 years (continuously).

I did build a painting booth with filter, for rattle cans.  I airbrush at my workbench with no filter.  I do not wear a mask.

The one thing I found is that you should NOT paint catalysed paints without proper face mask and excellent ventilation (by experience)!  However, that time I was painting a full-size race car with a regular paint sprayer, using acrylic enamel.  I don't use such stuff on my models though.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Greg on Friday, November 16, 2018 9:50 AM

Don Stauffer
Boy, I would sure think so.

Had to laugh when I read this sentence of Don's because that perfectly states what I was thinking.

Agree with Don, I think if you start spray painting you might want to get a bit more serious about ventilation. Might. Depending on what you are spraying.

Nǐ shì cóng zhōngguó lái de ma? (tr: Are you from China?) (asking because of the flag)

-Greg

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, November 16, 2018 9:55 AM

Protect the cats and the dogs and the baby.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, November 16, 2018 9:58 AM

As the others have said, thats plenty. Like Don, we don't have windows open in winter, and i doubt it gtes as cold here as where Don is.

Spray painting is anotehr matter, but for regular glueing and brush painting, unless your in a tiny cupboard, you should be fine.

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Posted by Greg on Friday, November 16, 2018 10:02 AM

GMorrison

Protect the cats and the dogs and the baby.

 

Important point, that.

A few years after I started back in the hobby, my wife developed lung cancer. Highly unlikely the two were related, but I'll never know for absolute sure and it makes me feel guilty.

-Greg

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, November 16, 2018 3:49 PM

I don’t use ventilation using tube and liquid glue nor for decal setting solutions (BTW... decal solution smells similar to vinegar so no ventilation needed.) I use a spray booth with ventilation for all painting sessions. 

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Posted by Greg on Saturday, November 17, 2018 9:02 PM

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

I don’t use ventilation using tube and liquid glue nor for decal setting solutions (BTW... decal solution smells similar to vinegar so no ventilation needed.) I use a spray booth with ventilation for all painting sessions. 

 

I think this is the best approach.

-Greg

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Saturday, November 17, 2018 9:02 PM

If you start to feel "Dizzy" ,.... It's time to open a window.

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage".

  

 

    

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Posted by commietank on Sunday, November 18, 2018 5:30 PM

im kind of from China, im a american born Chinese 

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Posted by commietank on Sunday, November 18, 2018 5:31 PM

If I only brush paint acrylics , I don’t need a spraybooth right?

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, November 18, 2018 9:07 PM

Whistling

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, November 18, 2018 11:32 PM
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Posted by Greg on Monday, November 19, 2018 9:36 AM

commietank

im kind of from China, im a american born Chinese 

 

Ah, I hope you didn't mind my asking. My wife is Chinese as our most of our friends, and as I said, I saw the flag and got nosey.

commietank

If I only brush paint acrylics , I don’t need a spraybooth right?

 

That's right.

 

-Greg

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Posted by Silver on Saturday, April 20, 2019 2:40 AM

Outside.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, May 13, 2019 9:18 AM

Commietank;

  Just a light aside .A neighbor asked me the same and I suggested a fan. Later he showed me what happened. Are you familiar with those Big fans on floor stands you see around? Picture the disaster .He turned it on , not realizing it was set on it's highest speed .Can you say Fanicane?( my newly coined word .) Model parts, paint bottles and tools everywhere, He had it right at the bench, Not a couple of feet away at minimum.

     You have the right idea. Although I will say except for painting real cars, I usually don't wear a mask . I get everything ready through the year ( because of the situation) .Pack the parts and paint together and spray when the weather is warmer,outside.

      So as needs go, most of what I paint is with brushes .I didn't get my first airbrush until I needed it for decorating Volkswagen Beetles in the seventies .

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Posted by JohnnyK on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 4:47 PM

This is an interesting topic. First I perused the internet for "adequate ventilation". I had a lot of hits regarding workplace ventilation. Next, I searched for "home adequate ventilation". Most of the hits were regarding providing enough ventilation to protect the house's structure (preventing mold and condensation). Then I hit on this: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f5b6/70216e410167517c76959d0a1c0caa7075c0.pdf  Yes, yes, yes, this was exactly what I was looking for. It is a Master's thesis titled: ADEQUATE VENTILATION: HOW IS IT DEFINED AND DOES IT ADEQUATELY WARN CONSUMERS. It is very dry reading but it does discuss what a manufacturer means by requiring "adequate ventilation".

Basically it states that: According to the label reading guide, it is a term “used to describe a continuous exchange of fresh air with contaminated air. Although many labels indicate the need for adequate ventilation, there is no regulated standard for the term ‘adequate’”. 

Regarding modeling paints and glues, my opinion is to not work with these products in a room that has stagnent air. Most of the chemicals that we use do not have strong vapors and all that is required is a constant flow of fresh air through the work room.  However, I only use spray paints in a spray booth.

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