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  • Member since
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2008 iHobbyExpo
Posted by Watchmann on Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:18 AM

Hello!

I was looking through some pictures from the Expo on Cybermodeler.

Please take a look at the top-middle picture listed under Academy.  Can anyone tell me what the rigged ship is on the right side of the frame?

Just curious. :)

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:57 AM

I'm pretty sure it's Academy's 1/150 Cutty Sarkhttp://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=MH14403 .

This kit has been around quite a while; we've discussed it once or twice here in the Forum.  I'm not sure what its origins are.  (Maybe it's a reissue of a kit from some Asian manufacturer, but if so I don't know which one.  The studding sail booms appear to be molded in the outboard positions; I can't recall having bumped into another kit made like that.)  I've never seen it "in the flesh," but on the basis of photos other folks have posted it looks like a decent kit - almost certainly a sound basis for a serious scale model.  My personal favorite Cutty Sark kit (plastic, wood, or otherwise), on the basis of the ones I've actually seen, is the 1/125 one that was originally released by Imai and recently reissued (at a hideous price) by Aoshima.  I'd be curious to see how this Academy version compares with it.

Many thanks to Watchmann and Cybermodeler for posting the news from the iHobbyExpo.  There are indeed some interesting things there.  The one that jumps out at me most prominently is the Minicraft PBM Mariner, which will fill a big gap in the range of important WWII aircraft subjects on 1/72 scale.  And there are several interesting modern warships - especially from Trumpeter.  Also some weird ones.  How on earth did Hawk/Lindberg pick 1/187 scale for a huge model of a German aircraft carrier that never got finished? 

It's great to see Airfix rising from the ashes - and it offers at least a hint of interest in ships.  (The two destroyers listed as "new releases" apparently are two more versions of the 1/400 four-stacker kits, originally from a Polish company whose name I've forgotten, that got released last year.)  

Reading between the lines a bit, there are also some things to be less than happy about.  Revell (Revell of the U.S.A., that is) continues to give the impression that it's given up on the ship model business.  (In view of the company's history in that area, and the quality of some of its most recent aircraft kits, that really does seem like a shame.) 

And, as probably could have been predicted, there's not a single new sailing ship kit on the list from any of the manufacturers.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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  • From: Cave City, KY
Posted by Watchmann on Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:35 AM

Thanks for the info, Doctor!

I was really hoping that the Cutty Sark was a new kit.  I too, would like to see more sailing ships on the market.

There are several reissue kits that I am very happy to see coming out next year.

If anyone wants to see more of the sci-fi side of the Expo, you can check out starshipmodeler.

Thanks again, for the ID!

 

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  • From: Lewiston ID
Posted by reklein on Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:39 AM
Prof. Tilley thanks for the heads up on the minicraft PBM Mariner. I just ordered two. A freind of mine who served on this plane just after Korea has been looking for a model of this plane for several years now. I know there are wooden models of this plane available and theres also one on Squadron for $75 or so but the cost was too dear. Funny how things crop up in these forums.Smile [:)]
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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:55 AM

Many years ago friend of mine described his experience flying as a passenger in a PBM during World War II.  The plane was several hundred miles from the nearest land when one of the crew members beckoned my friend to one of the windows and pointed to a spot on the wing from which a steady stream of oil ("like a hose," as my friend put it) was gushing forth.  The crew member said, "sit here and watch it, and if it gets any worse let me know."

My friend swore a solemn oath to himself that if he ever got out of that airplane he'd never get in another one.  He's gone now, but as far as I know he never did.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:02 AM

Funny how this Forum can point people in interesting directions.  After reading REKlein's last post I went to the Minicraft website to see about the 1/72 PBM.  (It's there all right - though no price is indicated.  On checking out the other "coming soon" items I found one that ought to be extremely interesting to ship modelers.  Scroll to the bottom of this page:   http://www.minicraftmodels.com/New05_3.htm

Now that's what I call an original idea for a plastic kit.  I confess such an idea had never occurred to me - but I bet it'll sell.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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  • From: Spartanburg, SC
Posted by subfixer on Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:20 AM
You're right about that, John, because I'd buy one. I love small craft. Thanks for the tip.

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  • From: Slovakia
Posted by SKorecko on Friday, January 2, 2009 1:02 PM
 jtilley wrote:

I'm pretty sure it's Academy's 1/150 Cutty Sarkhttp://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=MH14403 .

This kit has been around quite a while; we've discussed it once or twice here in the Forum.  I'm not sure what its origins are. ...

 

Academy's 1/150 Cutty Sark is a new, upscaled and refined version of  1/160 Cutty Sark. I have seen both kits "in flesh" and they are different. You can also compare then on the web:

Older 1/160 kit:

http://www.internetmodeler.com/2003/january/first-looks/aca_sark.htm

http://www.modelingmadness.com/reviews/misc/ships/robertocs.htm

 

New  1/150 kit:

http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/aca/kit_aca_14403.shtml

http://www.academy.co.kr/eng/ssCartimate/itemDetail.jsp?cid=12&iid=379&orderBy=iid%20DESC&imgMode=N

 

 

Speaking about new sailing ship kits,  the Flagman models catalogue

http://www.flagman-models.com/catalogue.php?lang=EN

looks very promising. Especially this one:

http://www.flagman-models.com/model.php?lang=EN&table=m2200&item=220001

 

Stefan.

 

P.S. I wish you all a happy new year.

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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Friday, January 2, 2009 3:30 PM

I AM impressed that there are so many new sailing ships listed! As a further note . . . as many of you know, I have been trying to have a letter writing campaign to the major manufacturers about manufacturing NEW sailing ship kits. Several of you have made recent comments that you would like to see more sailing ships. PLEASE start writing or emailing the manufacturers!!!!!!!  I haven't stopped yet.  We could use more.

Thanks!

Bill Morrison

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Friday, January 2, 2009 5:04 PM

The pictures aren't clear enough for me to form a firm opinion - and I don't have an Imai/Aoshima Cutty Sark in front of me for comparison.  But several odd features of the new Academy kit sure do look familiar.

The first is the incorrect spacing of the butt joints in the decks.  The spacing is "two step" - i.e., there's one "clear" plank between each pair of butt joints on a given deck beam.  That was a no-no in wood (or composite) ship construction; building a deck like that probably would lead to Lloyds's refusing to insure the ship.  And, if I remember correctly (a highly dubious proposition these days), the Imai kit has the same problem.

The second concerns the cargo winches, located just aft of the fore and main hatches.  The forward one has X-shaped gadgets called "cable lifters" on both ends of the larger, lower winch drum.  Their function is to handle the anchor cables (when the cables don't have the weight of the anchors on them); the arms of the Xs fit in the links of the chain.  The after winch doesn't have such fittings.  In George Campbell's 1/128-scale plans of the ship, as a means of saving space, he provides one drawing of a cargo winch.  The drawing has a cable lifter on one end and not the other, with notes reading "both ends thus on forward winch" and "both ends thus on after winch," respectively.  The Imai kit has two winches that look just like the drawing:  each has a cable lifter on one end.  (I've always suspected the problem was that the Japanese designers, though perfectly capable of following the drawings, didn't read English.)  The mistake can be fixed with an Xacto knife and a few drops of glue in about five minutes.  What's interesting, though, is that the new Academy kit appears to have the same problem.

Finally, there's the matter of the "booby hatch" - the little one with the sliding cover just forward of the poop.  It's a fairly simple structure; Mr. Campbell didn't bother to draw a detail of it, apparently assuming that its structure was obvious from the inboard profile and deck plan.  Imai proved him wrong by rendering it in such a way that, though it matches the drawing from the side and above, it looks ridiculous from any other angle.  And the Academy version looks just like the Imai one.  (Again I'm going by memory here, but I'm pretty sure I'm right on this point.)

None of these mistakes is particularly serious; lots of modelers probably won't notice them, and failure to correct them certainly won't wreck an otherwise good finished model.  But it sure is a remarkable coincidence that all three flubs would turn up in two different kits, released thirty years apart.  I don't want to assert, on the basis of what I'm able to look at, that the Academy kit is just a copy of the Imai one.  And I suppose it's possible that the designers of two different Asian companies, working from plans with text in English, could make the same three mistakes independently.  But it's quite a coincidence. 

[Later edit:  I just took another look at the photos to which LenRoberto kindly linked us.  The details of old, 1/160 Academy kit are a little hard to make out on my little monitor, but it certainly looks like those three strange errors are present in both Academy kits - as well as the old Imai/Aoshima one.  It's also obvious that the two Academy kits are indeed quite different from each other in other ways (e.g., the handling of the rails around the forecastle and poop).  Just what relationship exists between the three kits - Imai/Aoshima 1/125, Academy 1/160, and Academy 1/150 - is beyond my capacity to figure out.]    

I'd be interested to see the two side by side.  Plastic model companies are notoriously casual in their references to scales - especially when it comes to sailing ships. The Imai/Aoshima kit supposedly is on 1/125 scale.  (The Campbell drawings are on 1/128.  I've never laid the Imai parts on top of the drawings, but I strongly suspect they match.)  I wouldn't be at all surprised if Academy's 1/150 and Imai's 1/125 turned out to be identical.  But that's just idle speculation on my part.

Bottom line:  if the Academy kit is a copy (or scaled-down version) of the Imai kit, it's a good kit.  Fixing the too-numerous butt joints in the decks would be a bit of a project, but not especially difficult.  (I suspect the spurious ones could be filled in with Milliput or something of the sort; that might take an hour or so, plus drying time.)  The winches could be fixed by slicing the cable lifter off one and sticking it on the other (ten minutes).  And the necessary corrections could be made to the "booby hatch" with plastic sheet (half an hour).  Maybe a total of two hours to fix all three goofs.  In the context of the time it takes to build a sailing ship model, that's negligible.  And the price of $60, though Olde Phogies like me tend to gag over such figures, is quite a bit cheaper than the Aoshima reissue of the Imai one - or the big Revell one.  (For that matter, I'm not sure the Aoshima one is available at the moment.  Squadron doesn't list it.)  If, gawd forbid, I were in the market for a plastic Cutty Sark kit, I'd see no reason not to put this Academy one on the short list.

I certainly hope those Flagman kits materialize.  The computerized drawings of the little brig look promising - obviously the work of somebody who knows what he/she is doing.  And what an irony it would be if the first plastic 74-gun ship-of-the-line on the market should turn out to be Russian!

I've only seen reviews of a couple of products from this company - the little U-boat kits.  The consensus seems to be that they're pretty good, especially as the first efforts from a new firm.  Flagman, it seems, has an extremely ambitious program in mind.  (Take a look at some of those old Russian pre-dreadnought-era warships.  And that Flower-class corvette should be popular.)  I just hope the company hasn't bitten off more than it can chew.  Given the bargain prices for which Russian kits usually sell in the U.S., there may be some kits on this list that I can think seriously about actually buying. 

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by warshipguy on Friday, January 2, 2009 5:40 PM

John,

Don't forget that Heller's Le Glorieux and Le Superbe were also 74's.  That would make the Russian ship the third plastic 74 gun ship kit.  Anyway, I really do hope those kits do materialize AND are available.  Russian marketing leaves a lot to be desired.  I did not know that Alanger had manufactured the Goto Predestinacia until after it had been discontinued.  I had never seen that kit anywhere in the U.S.  I sincerely hope and pray that that does not happen with these new kits.

Bill Morrison

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, January 2, 2009 6:00 PM

Bill's right - I'd forgotten the two old Heller 74s.  They're actually pretty decent kits; we've discussed them several times here in the Forum. 

That God's Predestination kit has come up here too.  If I remember correctly, it's actually a rather old kit that's been reissued by several different companies over several decades.  I may be wrong about that, though.  I think we've had several comments from Asian and Eastern European modelers on it; I've never seen it.

I've often wondered how many kits that have been issued by Eastern European and Asian companies have never made it to the U.S.  Revell Europe (or, as it used call itself, Revell Germany) certainly has released several ships that haven't appeared in American Revell boxes.  (The Batavia, Alexander Humbolt, and Pamir come to mind; there probably have been others.)  I don't think there's a massive reservoir of foreign ship model kits by the hundreds waiting out there for us to discover it, but I suspect there are some manufacturers we've never heard of - and some individual kits we wouldn't mind having. 

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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