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The Pearl
Posted by Michael D. on Sunday, August 6, 2006 11:00 AM

Hi all, been looking thru the site for awhile now, and i must say very informative. Been out of modelling for awhile, and decided to get back into it this year. Did a little shopping on ebay earlier this year, and picked up four large scale ships to keep me busy. I've since completed two of them, and working on my third..saving the best for last. Here's a few photos of the current build. Although just an imaginary ship... fun to build non the less.

 

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  • From: arizona
Posted by cthulhu77 on Sunday, August 6, 2006 6:41 PM
  Most cool!  But , we demand more pics and more information about this build!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 6, 2006 7:47 PM

Nice job!

Revell Spanish galleon?

Michel

 

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Posted by Michael D. on Monday, August 7, 2006 6:57 AM

Thanks guys... i'm actually building this one for my daughter. Michel i'm using the Man O War for this one as it's a larger scale than others that probably are a closer match, but then again this ship doesn't exsist. The torn sails will be the biggest challenge, for me aways..or might go for the patched up look.

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  • From: vernon hills illinois
Posted by sumpter250 on Monday, August 7, 2006 11:36 AM
Sails are hard enough to model, and have them look good. Torn, blownout sails ? good luck ! I'll be very interested in seeing how you do that ! Looks like a fun project so far.

Lead me not into temptation ..................I can find it myself

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Posted by EPinniger on Monday, August 7, 2006 12:47 PM
The Revell "English Man o'War" kit is a modified version of the 1/96 Spanish Galleon, not exactly sure what the modifications are.
Anyway, this is a great use of this kit, accuracy doesn't matter so much if you're modelling a fictional pirate ship! I like the "glow" effect on the windows and the weathered black hull.
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Posted by Michael D. on Monday, August 7, 2006 1:11 PM

I'm going to experiment with the shot away look first, and post a pic for some inputs. The only difference from the Spanish Galleon is the upper deck sides, and the bonadventure mast.

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Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Monday, August 7, 2006 3:12 PM

And when ya finish this, remember ya gotta take on the "Flying Dutchman" as Disney bastardized it, eh!?!?!

Now THAT would be a challenge...

~Aric Fisher aric_001@hotmail.com
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Posted by Michael D. on Monday, August 7, 2006 8:23 PM

Ok here's my second attempt, and i think i'm pretty darn close to look i'm after. The process i used if anyones interested..using the existing sails as moulds i applied wet paper over them(read in old post on this site) while still wet used a pencil eraser to tear the holes..i know high tech, then used hair a dryer to speed things up, while still damp i applied thinned down tacky glue, again another shot of heat, and painted, in all about a hour. Inputs are welcome...good or bad.

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Posted by Grymm on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 8:53 AM

Very cool.  You created your own process that works.  And it works well.  My own suggestion would be this:

1 - You could try giving it a little more visual texture if you would like.  I would add a bit of a lighter drybrush on the sails to bring out the texture some more.  To me, it would give the impression of wear as well as the tear.  Not real light, but just enough so you could see it.

2 - I love the tears in the sail.  But for a bit more (excuse the word) "realism", once you tear the holes in the sail and wet it down, try to find a way to hang the sail up somewhere so gravity pulls the tears downward, so you get a visual impression of the weight of the sail. 

3 - And lastly, you could try adding some tears to the edges of the sail, then dry brush them a little, to give the impression that the edges have rotted and are falling apart from the wind.

I love the work you're doing so far.  I do have a couple of questions.

-What paints did you use for the windows?  They glow like there's candles inside.  Wonderful job.

-What ratio of water/glue did you use?  I can never seem to get it right.

I've been getting the itch to make the Black Pearl myself.  Somebody posted the actual plans for the vessel from the second movie and I've been trying to find the vessel it was modelled after.  Your build is just making that itch worse.....Great job.

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Posted by Michael D. on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 9:59 AM

Thanks Grymm, of course what you see was just a basic illustration.Very good suggestions indeed, i totally aggree with ya on all three, but #2 is the tough one with the paper being so wet i might risk tearing more than i want when removing from the mould. I'll try this again in a vertical position, and see what happens, maybe use a brush in a downwards motion to help with the sag.

For the windows i used a flat white base, when dry applied a transparent green real lightly, for both colors i used tamiya's acrylic. The glue mixture i really wasn't paying attention, but approx 2:1 ratio is close as i didn't want it too thin, hope this helps. I wanted to do mine in a large scale, and the man o war seemed like a good choice for me...heck these take awhile just to build out of box, and dealing with 32 year old model i have many warped masts, and yards to correct. Again thanks for your tips.

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  • From: vernon hills illinois
Posted by sumpter250 on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 12:08 PM
The sails look great ! You might try, for the "torn" look, cutting the paper with a sharp blade, before laying it on the plastic sails, and wetting.  Paper never tears where you want it to, especially when wet. I always add a little detergent to my glue/water mix, as a whetting agent, to reduce surface tension, and allow the mix to soak into the paper more quickly.

Lead me not into temptation ..................I can find it myself

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Posted by Grymm on Tuesday, August 8, 2006 8:14 PM

Well, call me stupid.   I have never thought of adding detergent.  That's a great idea.  I'll have to do that for my tarps.  I keep messing them up because of their size....

Anyway, I was thinking about the torn sail look.  There are several ways to approach this.  First, is if you want a "reason" for the tears.  Some questions you would ask yourself would be; Do I want some tears to be from ancient cannon fire?  Over time, how would a sail actually tear and detiorate?  Just a couple of questions to ask yourself if you're going for a certain look.

Now, as I understand, you're using the plastic sails as a template.  Okay, I agree, the detergent will be a great way to work it.  Your sail should just slide right off the plastic.

Now, as for tearing too much, you could try a couple of ways and see what works best.  First, sumpter is right, for larger tears, say, along the trailing edge of the sail, where tears seem most logical, you could "precut" varying sizes of triangles.  Then, lay the sail in the template and wet it down.  Once it's soaked, take a pair of tweezers and gently pull on the ends, causing them to tear a bit.  Do this just enough to get rid of the clean cut you originally made.

Now, as for holes IN the sails, do the same thing.  Make a small hole in the paper/tissue your using before you lay it in the template.  Anything could work.  Perhaps just cutting a small round hole with a very sharp knife.  Put it in the template and wet it down.  Then, use the tweezers or a knife to pull from the top of the hole you made.  Do this gently though, because you only want to fray the edges of the hole.  For the bottom edge of the hole/tear, you might want to cut into it a bit so that there is a little excess sail hanging down, like its been torn from the top.

There's a lot of room for innovation here.  I'm really intrigued by the idea of modelling the Pearl, or, a ghost ship in general.  Whatever technique you use, I can't wait to see your photos. 

Here's a question for you, how do you intend to do the rigging?  I imagine, on the Pearl, the lines were not in the best of shape, perhaps dirty, some actually torn/cut, and just dangling from a yard, or from a stay. 

Man, the more I talk about this, the more I'm getting the itch to just do it.  But with 3 different kits waiting in the wings, and my son's 1/96 Cutty Sark sitting on my workbench,  my wife would kill me if I picked up something else.....

Keep the pics coming.  It's looking great.

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Posted by Michael D. on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 6:26 AM

Sail #2...i made some cuts along the top, and bottom prior to whetting, and used tweezers, and my knife to fray the edges a little, but man the tearing part is a female dog, once that paper starts breaking down it's tough to get the fine tears.but i will press on..lol. I'll try the detergent next, i think i have cannon shot down pretty good at this point, the dry brushing made them stand out. For the rigging i'll be doing just that Grymm, using a mixture of black, and brown to running lines. Yeah my wife thought i was nuts when i bought the 4 ships earilier this year ie: Spanish Galleon, Constitution, This one, and the Soliel Royal..yeah baby can't for that one!, but after seeing the first two built up see actually likes them.

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  • From: Chehalis, WA
Posted by Fish-Head Aric on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 11:59 AM

Your sail technique results are very nice!  This is quite a commendable work going on.  I had been thinking how fun it might be to have a "ghost ship" model with ratted out sails, etc.  Following your build here has been very very worthwhile to da gray matter processes.

Thanks for showing developments!

~Aric Fisher aric_001@hotmail.com
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  • From: vernon hills illinois
Posted by sumpter250 on Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:40 AM
The trick with detergent in your water/glue mix, is to add just enough detergent to make the glue mix flow into the paper. No more than a teaspoon, in a cup ( 16 ounces ) of glue mix.

Lead me not into temptation ..................I can find it myself

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Posted by Michael D. on Thursday, August 10, 2006 11:36 AM

Thanks for taking a look Fish-Head. I try to find a happy medium when building these things, with 6kids,2 jobs etc it's real tough to find the time for researching, and what not to make them totally correct. I am thinking about taking a shot on rigging the deadeyes for this one, more for the challenge than anything. I tried a different approach using Sumpters detegent mix by first whettting the paper with the glue mixture over the mold, and instead of making the holes, and tears at that point, i let the paper dry, and painted black, next i made cuts, and used tweezers to make the tears/holes. As your tearing your leaving a white border around the tear showing your results clearer, plus the paper is not as fragile, and you have better control...the result is about the same, but removal is much easier due to the detergent.

 

Michael

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Posted by Michael D. on Saturday, August 26, 2006 10:07 AM

Making a little progress. Have the masts, and bowsprit set, and started the shrouds/ratlines, not the best job but getting better. I decided not to rig my own deadeyes on this build as i still need way more practice.

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Posted by Michael D. on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:35 AM

She's done, and ready to plunder the high seas. Well still some touch up on the blocks left....this was a fun build. For now she'll reside in the case vacated by the Spanish Galleon in the living room. Up next will be the La Reale De France.

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Posted by Grymm on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:38 AM

Beautiful job and probably the best representation of the Pearl that I've seen yet.  Great job.  And those sails turned out fantastic.  I can't wait to show these photos to my boy...

Funny you should mention the La Reale.  I just got done cleaning up the hull of the one I'm getting ready to work on.  I'm getting to a point where I want to take a break from my Soleil Reale, and the La Reale has been staring at me all the while.  Is yours the large or small scale version?

Grymm

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  • From: Harrisburg, PA
Posted by Lufbery on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:14 PM
Your Black Pearl looks fantastic!

"You've seen a ship with black sails that's crewed by the damned, and captained by a man so evil that Hell itself spat him back out?"

Thanks for sharing the photos. I especially like your tails. Smile [:)]

Regards,

-Drew

Build what you like; like what you build.

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Posted by Michael D. on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:38 AM

Thanks for the comments fellers. Grymm The La Reale i have is large scale, and after looking it over it's well deserving of  fabric especially the flags, canopy, and tassels. The problem is going to be where to find something so ornate.

Michael

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Posted by Grymm on Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:56 PM

Michael, I've been checking various fabric stores and have found a semi-dark red fabric that is thin enough to look scale.  What I'm going to do is recreate the pattern on the fabric with my computer, then cut a stencil.  Then it's just a matter of airbrushing the pattern onto the cloth.

For the flags and banners, I intend to try and use the kit supplied versions, but use thin aluminum foil sandwiched inbetween the two sides so I can shape the flags as if effected by wind.  If that doesn't look good, I will probably do the same as I intend to do for the canopy.

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  • From: Waltham MA
Posted by runkel on Monday, October 23, 2006 11:26 AM

Hi Guys

 

Just found this on awest coast fishing board. I guess the Pearl is in CA.

http://www.realdealphotography.smugmug.com/gallery/1855918/1/93153455

Jim
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Posted by Halo_819 on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:38 AM
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Hi Mike, The ship is looking beautiful and the rigging is really impressing me. I am currently starting on a 1/96 Cutty Sark and want to go all out on the rigging. I am having a problem choosing what type of line to use. Can you tell me what type/size line you used for the shrouds on The Pearl? Any help would be appreciated
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Posted by Michael D. on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:24 AM

Thanks Halo. Not sure on the size, but i used Coats and Clark button craft thread for the shrouds, and ratlines. In hind sight i should have used a smaller thread for the ratlines, like Coats and Clark all purpose thread, while probably not exactly to scale it would be closer. Hope this helps, and again thank you for the comments.

Michael

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