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Zvezda "Acheron" !?!?!

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Zvezda "Acheron" !?!?!
Posted by JoeRugby on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:17 PM
I was cruising some UK sites this past weekend and came across a possible release from Zvezda on an "Acheron".  I can only assume that this is from M&C:FSOTW.  Can any one verify?
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Posted by Chuck Fan on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:33 PM

Since the ship was fictional, perhaps so too is the model.

 

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Posted by kapudan_emir_effendi on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:43 AM
This is a reboxing of Occidental Replicas' (a defunct Portuguese company) 1/200 "Dom Fernando II e Gloria", a Portuguese 50 gunner from 1830s and now a museum ship in lisbon.
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Posted by RedCorvette on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:36 AM

Seems like they'd be better off re-boxing a Revell Constitution, since the computer-generated movie Acheron was supposedly based on her.  But, like Chuck said, it's all fiction anyway, not forgetting that even the nationality of the ship in the book was changed from American to French for marketing purposes.

Of course if it had really been an American heavy frigate, they probably would have just stood off and pounded the Surprise to splinters instead of getting close enough to get boarded.  But that probably wasn't the ending the movie producers wanted... ;)

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Posted by Chuck Fan on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:32 PM
 RedCorvette wrote:

Seems like they'd be better off re-boxing a Revell Constitution, since the computer-generated movie Acheron was supposedly based on her.  But, like Chuck said, it's all fiction anyway, not forgetting that even the nationality of the ship in the book was changed from American to French for marketing purposes.

Of course if it had really been an American heavy frigate, they probably would have just stood off and pounded the Surprise to splinters instead of getting close enough to get boarded.  But that probably wasn't the ending the movie producers wanted... ;)

Mark

 

 

In the original book, the adversary was a fictional American frigate on a mission modelled on the real mission of USS Essex.   The book also implied that the american frigate was a standard 32 or 38 gun frigate, and not one of the heavy frigates, and thus a ship which the 28 gun Jackass frigate Surprise has a chance against, particularly under Jack Aubrey's leadership and training.  

But the book didn't feature any of the exciting sea battles shown in the film.   In the book the Surprise ran agrounded while on the way to intercept the American, and lost a whole month waiting for the next spring tide to float off.  She was never quite able to make up the lost time to catch sight of the American frigate.   Eventually the Surprised chanced upon the American crew shipwrecked on an island, and the book ended with a somewhat unconvincing land fight between the crew of Surprise and the treacherous Americans whom they were going to rescue.

So the book, in addition to its potential for offending American sensibility, also didn't have a good sea fight that would go down well in an nautical action film.    

       

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Posted by JoeRugby on Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:19 AM
 Chuck Fan wrote:

Since the ship was fictional, perhaps so too is the model.

If you are interested in looking at the sight yourself I will go back through my histry and post the link here.

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Posted by Chuck Fan on Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:34 PM
I am just commenting on the fact that Achron didn't exist in reality.
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Posted by searat12 on Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:48 PM
I have looked all over the place, and I haven't found anything to indicate what sort of ship the proposed 'Acheron' is derived from (the model, I mean).  Haven't found out anything about the Occidental Replicas model either.  I have found a rather sketchy drawing of what the new Zvesda 'Acheron' will look like, and if it is not an entirely new casting, the only existing model mold around that might match would be the old Lindberg 'La Flore,' which has come out in several iterations in the last twenty years or so.  Currently it is produced in a debased version as 'Jolly Roger,' an attempt at a pirate ship, but I have also (in Germany) seen this same model issued as an 'East Indiaman,' as well as 'La Flore.'  As far as this or any other model has anything to do with the Patrick O'Brian books is irrelevant, as 'Acheron' and pretty much the whole storyline of the movie 'Master and Commander' is merely a Hollywood confabulation of elements of about four different O'Brian books, the only ship behaving anything like 'Acheron' being a vengeful Dutch 74 named the 'Waachzaamheid' (Aubrey 'n friends not even being on the 'Surprise' at the time, but on the 'orrible ould 'Leopard'!).  As far as the movie version being 'unrealistic' vis a' vis the differences in long-range gunnery abilities of 'Surprise' vs 'Acheron,' the whole point was to lure 'Acheron' into point-blank range by disguising 'Surprise' as a helpless whaler, at which point comparative long-range gunfire effectiveness is irrelevant.......
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Posted by EPinniger on Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:16 AM
I'll be very interested to see what this kit is like. I've never once seen the original Occidental kit, even on eBay. Knowing Zvezda, however, it will be fairly pricey! Most of their sailing ships are, compared to Revell or Heller, especially considering that (other than the Hansa Cog) most of them are from old moulds in the first place. (Their 1/350 Russian pre-dreadnoughts are very good value, on the other hand)
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Posted by modelnut on Sunday, September 9, 2012 11:21 AM

www.britmodeller.com/.../index.php

"Although released by Revell, this is in fact a re-pop of Occidentals kit of the same name.  It has also been released by Zvezda under the French Archeron moniker."

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Posted by Jockster on Sunday, September 9, 2012 11:31 AM

I agree.

On the bench-1/350 Zvezda Varyag, Trumpeter Slava class Varyag and Tamiya CVN65 Enterprise. 1/400 Academy Titanic and 1/96 DeAgostini Victory.

 

 

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Posted by Jockster on Sunday, September 9, 2012 11:32 AM

With Searat12.

On the bench-1/350 Zvezda Varyag, Trumpeter Slava class Varyag and Tamiya CVN65 Enterprise. 1/400 Academy Titanic and 1/96 DeAgostini Victory.

 

 

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Posted by modelnut on Sunday, September 9, 2012 11:40 AM

I am planning to build the HMS Lydia from CS Forester's Beat to Quarters and the 1951 Gregory Peck film.

With what I could find online the Revell Ferdinand II kit seemed to be the best place to start. I came upon your thread as I was doing research. The kit should arrive within a week or so. Then I will begin. Or, at least, begin to begin. Hmm

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Posted by docidle on Saturday, September 22, 2012 12:40 AM

Check out the Dom Fernando II e Gloria by Revell Germany.  I believe it is the same mold that Kapudan is speaking of and runs anywhere from $54 to $75 here in the states.

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Posted by modelnut on Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:35 PM

I have the Fernando. It is too big to represent a fifth rate ship like the Lydia. I am going with the Jolly Roger which used to be the French frigate, La Flore.

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