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Marder 1A2 Schutzenpanzer
Posted by bbrowniii on Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:08 AM

I've been trying to be dilligent this year to post the work that I am doing in GBs in the Armor thread as well, since I know many of you don't spend too much time in armor.  I am currently building the Tamiya Marder 1A2 Schutzenpanzer for dupes' Winter Warriors GB. 

This is a pretty interesting kit - it was one of the kits that Tamiya intended to be motorized, so there is not a lot of interior detail, despite having functioning hatches all around.  The one exception is the engine which is pretty nicely done:

As I have said in several other places, when I started this last week, I determined that I wanted to add some sort of detail to the interior so I could leave at least a couple of hatches open.  I have also been inspired by the recent work of several of you guys who have demonstrated some serious scratchbuilding skills (Schnobs, please step forward and take a bow).  So I have concluded that it is time to stretch my skill set and tackle a scratchbuilding project:

I'll start by adding a floor to the troop compartment and fill in the open sponsons on the Tamiya kit:

My ultimate vision for this is to put it in a modern winter scheme.  I cannot find any images of Marders painted wiith one, but have found several Leopards:

I realize the one significant challenge I will face is finding crew gear (the kit does include a nice set of duffles and packs, but I am specifically concerned about finding personal weapons - does anyone make modern German military gear and weapons sets??)

I'll do my best to keep this current, but I'm no WBill...Stick out tongue

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Posted by bbrowniii on Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:49 PM

Hey everyone

Judging by the overwhelming response to my intial post, I can tell that a lot of you guys have been sitting on the edge of your seats waiting for another update on this project Angel...

Seriously though, I hope some of you take an interest in this project.  I'd love to hear your feedback.

As I said in my opening post, my goal is to add some detail to this kit, but to do it only with what I have available - I'm not going to dump any money into it, I'm just going to see what I can do with little bits and pieces that I have lying around, and with some imagination...

I started with the rear troop entrance.  The kit part, which is workable, lacks any detail:

Compare that to the real deal:

So the first order of business was to add some thickness to the kit part, and draw on the detail that I wanted to include.  Enter sheet styrene:

After scribing the lines for the access doors, I made some door latches from thin brass wire:

Next, I needed six hinges, and two plates for the shackles that secure the ramp when it is closed.  Again, enter styrene sheet:

Some stretche sprue approximates the actual hinge:

And some cut up aluminum from a soda can was bent to replicate the shackles:

And, voila - a semi-close approximation of the interior of the door:

I still have to add the pulley and cable that close the ramp (on the right side of the vehicle/ramp as you exit) and hope to get to that tonight.

I also may go back and replace the shackles.  I am not getting wrapped too tight about precise measurements with this - I'm kinda giving things the eye-test: if they look OK, then that is good enough, but when I looked at the shackles this morning, I thought they looked kinda small, but we'll see.

There is one thing I can say abou tthis project so far - it has been a LOT of fun.  It is great to sit at my bench, see the photo and think, 'Alright, what stuff have I accumulated over the years that I can use to make a close approximation of XXXXX...'  This is the most fun I've had on a kit in a long time - both because of the challenge of it, but also because, as I said, I'm determined not to get bogged down in details - I just want it to look 'close' to what it really is.  Perfection is not the goal.

Well, I hope you all enjoy and, as always, I'd appreciate any feedback...

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:44 PM

Sorry buddy... didn't see the start.  But it is sure looking good now.  I like those hinges.  Simple enough.  So keep posting.  I'm watching... nowWhistling

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Posted by bbrowniii on Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:48 PM

Hi Marc

Thanks for popping in.  No worries about missin' the start - I was just bustin' folks' stones a little bit - couldn't help myself Devil...

I'm pretty pleased with the hinges too.  Not supreme detailing, but I certainly think they get the point across...

 

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Posted by scratchmod on Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:27 PM

Some very nice details going into this one. looks great so far Yes

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:07 PM

Nice....that engine is very cool for OOB....looks like you got a nice start here----keep it up!

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Posted by bbrowniii on Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:09 PM

Rob,

Thanks for popping in.

Manny,

You are absolutely right - that engine is probably the best part of the whole kit.  I was really surprised with how well done it is. 

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Posted by hughes2682 on Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:56 PM

Consider the stones busted!Crying  Fantastic work on the hinges.  Very nicely done.  I think TANK makes modern personal  weapons.

Cheers

Dave

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Posted by bbrowniii on Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:13 PM

Dave

Hey, thanks for the lead on TANK.  I never would have even considered looking there.

Glad you like the hinges...Geeked

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:45 PM

Very nice work on the added detail for the ramp Boyd, keep us posted on your progress! Beer

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 10:01 PM

DUDE !!! Wicked job on the hinges, if I tried to do that, It would look like the swedish chef with stuck fingers !!!! Now, don't quote me on this, but I THINK I saw verlinden has modern german weapons...I may very well be wrong, but worth lookin into.

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Posted by disastermaster on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:56 PM

YEEEE HAWWWW !

YEEEE
HAWWWW!!

...........ah     Shootinpanzer!

Looks like you're off to a good start; good techniques here.

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Posted by *INDY on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:56 AM

~Eh Ya Boydd!

Cool looking kit of a killer looking 'lil AFV

Great start---dig the door work

All nicely blogged too---I stay tuned just no more swings at the sizzak--OK?Surprise

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:42 PM

Bill, Disaster, Brutus, and Indy,

Thanks for the support, guys.

INDY - I promise, no more... your stones are safe from here on out (at least in this thread)...Wink

Brutus,

Thanks - I'll check Verlinden.  I did find some on TANK, but most are Soviet bloc weapons that might technically work, but I'd really like the H&K (I think?) weapons that they use now...

Been messin' aound with the engine, so I'll try to post a pic soon...

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Posted by redleg12 on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:13 PM

Hummm...I'm a bad boy!!!!

Nice scratch work....always enjoy details...especially scratch details, a dying art!

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:14 PM

Coming along well there. As far as a winter camo goes, it looks like the Germans use  a temporary whitewash and no pattern is followed. So no worries there. As far as weapons and personal gear goes. Dragon did do a  G3 family set  which which was the old standard weapon of the Bundeswehr for many years. any MG-42 will do for a modern MG-3, the main difference is the chambering of the two weapons, 8mm for WW2 and 7.62 NATO for the modern one. Trumpeter has a couple modern German figure sets due out so you may be able to get some personal gear from those of they are out in the near future before your build is complete.

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:22 PM

Thanks for the info, Stik.

Yeah, looking at the pic, it looks like they covered the brown with brushed on white.  It looks like most of the green and black is still there.  I kinda like how the NATO camo base is pretty 'precise' and the white is just slopped on...

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Posted by bbrowniii on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:06 AM

Hey guys,

I wanted to give this a little bump as I prepare to go back down and put some more time in on this build.  I had set it aside a couple weeks ago as I was prepping some other stuff for ValleyCon, and then got busy at work so had to delay returning to it.  But, I've got a couple of 'quieter' days at work so I hope to spend a few hours at the bench this week.  I'll actually be headed down there as soon as I am done typing this, armed with a pile of reference photos.

Hope to have a real update up soon!

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:12 PM

Post pics!Geeked

 

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Posted by Guney on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:54 PM

Fine start...Good luck...:)

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Posted by bbrowniii on Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:56 PM

stikpusher

Post pics!Geeked

I'm workin' on it!  Jeepers, ya slave driver, cut a guy some slack...GeekedAngel

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:37 PM

OK, I've hit a snag.... not with the build, specifically, but with the pictures.  Currently, I am working on the drivers station and, so far, all the improvments I have made are pretty small and using white styrene sheet.  So, when I take a picture of it.... you see a washed out white shape of indefinate origins.  So, please be patient, I'll post some pics as soon as I have something that actually shows up...Geeked

Please don't hate me for being a poor photographer...

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:02 PM

Poor photographer? You and me both my friend! BTW, have you seen the new Trumpeter stuff due out or out lately ? New  Current German weapons, and some new figure sets for Afghanistan.

 

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:36 AM

Take your time Boyd, it's taken me years to be able to finally take half-way decent pics!Smile So far, the work looks very good. I like all of your scratch building. Keep up the good work!

P.S. Your other pics look fine.

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by tlivancso on Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:08 AM

Boyd,

Great looking build, love the scratch work that your doing. You do know now that you have crossed that line there is no cure for AMS it just gets worse Big Smile

Cheers,

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Posted by bbrowniii on Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:59 AM

stikpusher

New  Current German weapons, and some new figure sets for Afghanistan.

I had not seen that, but I will definately be looking!  Thanks Stik!

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Posted by bbrowniii on Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:00 AM

tlivancso

You do know now that you have crossed that line there is no cure for AMS it just gets worse Big Smile

Yeah, I'd heard that... somewhere... Geeked

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:29 PM

At one point Dragon had a modern weapons set which had modern Bundeswehr weapons mixed in with other Nato and Soviet Bloc weapons.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:36 PM

Italeri had set of mixed nationality personal weapons, not Dragon. It had M16A1s, AK-47s, FN/FALs, Sterling SMG, UZI w/wood stock, M60 and M2 MGs and a few various pistol types. Dragon's sets are families of weapons, AR-15/M-16, AK-47, AK-74, and MP-5/G3 family. The only mixed sets of modern weapons they did was the Modern Machine Guns and Vietnam War sets.

Here are a few links to the Trumpeter items:

http://www.trumpeter-china.com/war513/products/en_message.asp?id=843

http://www.trumpeter-china.com/war513/products/en_message.asp?id=844

http://www.trumpeter-china.com/war513/products/en_message.asp?id=845

http://www.trumpeter-china.com/war513/products/en_message.asp?id=846

http://www.trumpeter-china.com/war513/products/en_message.asp?id=847

http://www.trumpeter-china.com/war513/products/en_message.asp?id=800

http://www.trumpeter-china.com/war513/products/en_message.asp?id=799

Something in there should work for you...Geeked

 

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Posted by bbrowniii on Friday, April 30, 2010 1:11 PM

Oh Stik,

Those Trumpy items are PERFECT.  Do you have any idea when the are going to be available?  I looked, but didn't see it - was it there and I just missed it.

Thanks for the links, man!

Boyd

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