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"Pro Built" models on Ebay...or not.

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Posted by Geezer on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:12 AM

Babalu1201,

First, welcome to the forum. Love to see some of your work. Secondly, Thank you for your service as a police officer. My son is a paramedic for the county. I appreciate what you do.

I would say that you have nailed a niche that works for you. Sounds like you have a good thing going and more power to you! Interesting perspective, too.

Lyle.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:18 AM

I don't begrudge the "pr modellers" out there. They have a skillset, and apparently somebody is willing to part with the $$ for a finished model kits. Whatever works I suppose. But i'd rather build the kit myself...

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Posted by Babalu1201 on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:05 PM

Thanks Lyle, I am happy to serve.  You can see my builds on E-Bay under BABALU1201.  Mike

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Posted by Geezer on Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:01 AM

Mike,

eBay bad. spend money. I'll have to check them out, but i'm sure I'll be depressed afterwards. How about some WIP on your builds. I could use the tips and advice on building.

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Posted by jibber on Monday, November 4, 2013 12:17 PM

There's always somebody in for the shortcut. I don't think they ever get it.

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Monday, November 4, 2013 12:47 PM

VanceCrozier

I don't begrudge the "pr modellers" out there. They have a skillset, and apparently somebody is willing to part with the $$ for a finished model kits. Whatever works I suppose. But i'd rather build the kit myself...

The point is that alot of the models being labeled as "Pro" are not even close to being pro.  

I would post links to the "Pro" models that I'm talking about but I'm afraid that maybe some of the models were built by people on these forums and I really don't want to embarrass anyone.

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Posted by Nathan T on Monday, November 4, 2013 1:04 PM

It would be interesting to hear some of the buyers of these so called "Pro" built models thoughts. I would be leary to buy a pro built model on ebay for 100+ bucks, only to receive it in the mail and find poor seems, silvered decals, and glue smudges. Things you can't really see in the ebay pics. Now if a person sold a model on ebay with all the above problems and only wanted 20-40 bucks, then thats a different story.

 

 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, November 4, 2013 1:46 PM

It's obvious that these "Pro-Built" models are not for us.this is a model building forum and it's actually distasteful to us to have someone build something that we can do,and maybe better.

But they do serve a purpose,it's really the same as someone buying home or office decorations,I mean if someone who has no interest in building models wants to decorate his office or basement in a military scheme,then he would buy these,just like something from Corgi or Franklinn Mint,why should I look down on him.Same as if I buy a painting for my den,since i can't paint.

That being said,I suppose that it would be foolish to buy a finished model sight unseen,especially spending big bucks.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Monday, November 4, 2013 1:57 PM

Hi :

        I have given this some real heavy thought since I made that previous post . Now that said .I have seen models that blow me away ! Yes , me ! I have built for companies for training and display , museums and done restorations of what used to be called " Museum Grade " Models .There is a difference . I did one resto and after cleaning and Prepping it for rebuilding I noticed some more lettering on the stern still buried in paint .After working very carefully I was able to uncover the original name .The  ships equipment fortified the impact .I was holding and had on my bench hand made blocks ,belaying pins and deck hardware from a model that had resided in a museum forty years before I was born ! It had historic importance too !  

      Now , that said , I called the owner and asked if I could continue and bring it back to it's Original rig .When I explained why he agreed .So in a nice home ,in a space made for it ,  is a one hundred and some year old model of the " Amistad " . The slave ship that hed a mutiny of the slaves and resulted in one of the biggest boondoggles for our fledgling government in the early years ! I have NEVER really considered myself a " Pro " , in the sense of a steady job . In the sense I build accurate ,historically or present day correct models of ships for clients .

   This takes some amount of talent .I feel that a pro is someone who does his homework ! !  Take Al ROSS .he's written books and done some big piles of ships over the years .I may not always agree with his finished product ,(this concerns ships I served on)  ( The types ) And I Feel he missed the boat .That's my opinion .He's been working in the field a loong time .So If he does one is it a " PRO " build , You bet your sweet bippy ! Now if I build one in the medium I use and it's qualified to sit in a museum or boardroom of a shipping company , that makes me a pro too ! I wouldn't sell anything at " Bay "prices though !

   My 1/25 model cars start at $1000.00 ! This includes working suspension , opening doors , trunk , Hood , working windows , steering and shocks and springs  ! Plus ,  the paint comes straight from the dealers stock

   ! Now , on ships , if it's a Navy ship , I use paint chips and photos to get it right on the federal spec numbers . The equipment is fit for the era or when the customer was on board . These can go to some thousands of bucks . I work eight hours a day four days a week .I still don't make what they allow me to make while on Social Security ! Like most commission work by an individual , it's always between feast or famine . Occassionally I'll do one for someone based on verbal descri[ptions . I have one such Back in my shop notw .It seems my build as interpreted by me was somewhat incorrect .There is NOT much written on the vessel in question and only a few very poor photos exist .He had them and sent them to me after the ship was done . Now I am having to fit him back in the mix .He will get it back probably in a month or so . Price $ 50.00 .Why so low ? The owner is himself an artist and sculpter who gave a gorgeous piece to a very good cause .Could I do any less by him ? That said think about what I wrote and make up your own mind what makes a " Pro "

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Posted by brooker on Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:01 PM

I also am one of those people who much prefer a model which is built to having to build the model myself - to be honest, I have not built a plastic model for the better part of 60 years - yet I have all of the old 1/8 Pocher built models (prior to the factory catching fire) except the Rolls Royce Ambassador which I thought looked pretty much the same as the other Pocher Rolls Royce's, so did not bother getting one and many of the diecast cars up to 1940 (I'm not interested in cars built after then except for Le Mans cars) but the better brands 1/12, 1/18 & some 1/24 - Autoart, CMC, Exoto, Minichamps, Franklin Mint and so on, more as a hobby and investment, if need be - hence my preference to buying "built" when previously A$1 = US$1, however, now US$1 = A$1.50 and £1 = A$2 roughly, so the exchange rate counts in my favour, if I were inclined to sell some (not likely).

 

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Thursday, February 18, 2016 11:42 AM

IT LIVES !!!! Another old thread revived! LOL!

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Posted by 5-high on Thursday, February 18, 2016 2:02 PM

Will someone please call van helzen .!!!.

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Posted by Aaron Skinner on Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:16 PM

Guys,

A thread that is old to you may not be old to everyone.

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Posted by modelmaker66 on Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:28 PM

I have seen that on ebay and find that pro built museum quality to be too subjective to be

believed. what the builder considers good might not be up to your standards. It is just a way for them to justify asking $200.00, $300.00 or more on a built kit. caveot empitor or whatever it is.

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Posted by brooker on Thursday, February 18, 2016 5:56 PM
lol. I have just joined this Finescale Forum, so I am a member now for 24 hours and every post is of interest to me - even the dead ones - to you. Richard
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Posted by JTRACING on Thursday, February 18, 2016 6:54 PM

I would want to see lots of close up detail pictures if I was ever to buy a "pro built" model,  I see some so called "pro builders" in the magazines and wonder how they sell anything with all the mold lines and pin marks on everything lol

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Posted by castelnuovo on Friday, February 19, 2016 12:22 AM

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Let us know when you put "Spooked" on the market.   Big Smile

 

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Posted by mustang1989 on Friday, February 19, 2016 4:51 AM

JTRACING

I would want to see lots of close up detail pictures if I was ever to buy a "pro built" model,  I see some so called "pro builders" in the magazines and wonder how they sell anything with all the mold lines and pin marks on everything lol

 

Yeah they'd better be award winners for sure if I'd ever pay that much for them...but....if a person has the money then that's not an object. If you don't believe me ...check THIS out.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Ford-Country-Squire-Station-Wagon-Pro-Built-1-25-R-amp-R-Resin-/291316453944?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=kWIZWhislKrldyXncy2vjM2u5EQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

                   

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, February 24, 2016 11:54 AM

Two points:

  1. Yes, many of the models I see for sale on eBay, flagged as "Pro-built", don't look that great.  On the other hand, some do.
  2. Regarding the question of who buys built models, because we build because we love to, etc, think about the fact that there are folks out there who share the same interests as we do, but can't build a model for whatever reason, and so, they're willing to pay someone to do it.  You might not think of it so much in our hobby, but if you get into some of the more specific branches, especially military and historical miniatures, you find that there are collectors who can't build and paint, but love the figures or dioramas, and they'll commission pieces.

And as a disclosure, I admit, I've thought about buying a finished piece once, when I looked at a particular anime kit and thought, "I'll never be able to do this piece justice, my skills just aren't up to it."  And I wondered if I should contact a painter and have him finish it. But I'm working on it on my own.  In the end, I did decide that I need to try, and see how I do.

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