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My new home defense tool
Posted by GreenThumb on Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:34 PM

I felt the .45 ACP I have was good but didn't have the punch I would prefer in case of a home invasion or something so I bought one of these and loaded it up with Federal 3" 00 buck. I feel safer now. Wink

If this is against forum rules please forgive me moderators. All this page says is no politics or religion. Smile

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Posted by mrmike on Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:10 PM

Hope you feel more secure, but what in the world does this have to do with scale modeling? I'm not in any way opposed to our gun rights, hunting or ant other issue about that, but you're showing us a 1:1 fully operable rifle. Shouldn't that post in some other forum?

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Posted by GreenThumb on Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:22 PM

This is the only off-topic forum on this site.

The forum rules state: "You're invited to discuss those things not strictly related to scale modeling."

That's why. Wink

Years ago we used to chat about different things like this on here. Maybe things have changed as I haven't been around much for a few years. I'm an old timer on here. Smile

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:00 PM

Don't you have Grandkids, Mike?

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:31 PM
What make and model Gauge is that? Have you tried it out on a range yet to see how it operates?

 

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Posted by Raualduke on Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:56 PM

Nice looking weapon. For the record I keep a 45 colt and a 12 gauge close at hand.I live alone no children or angry wives to concern myself with.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, August 1, 2014 12:01 AM

I've never been to a range that allows alley sweepers. Costs too much to keep replacing the target posts.

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Posted by Cdn Colin on Friday, August 1, 2014 6:23 AM

Mossberg 500?  I've always liked the look of the 590, especially with a bayonet fitted!

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Have fun.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Friday, August 1, 2014 6:35 AM

I for one have no problem with this post,it conforms to the rules.Although when I opened it,I thought I was going to see a picture of your new dog Big Smile

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, August 1, 2014 7:22 AM

Great choice for home defense. I keep a Remington 870 12 Ga. with a folder handy.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, August 1, 2014 7:44 AM

I see nothing wrong with the post. Nice toy though.

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Posted by pyrman64 on Friday, August 1, 2014 8:07 AM

Cdn Colin
Mossberg 500?  I've always liked the look of the 590, especially with a bayonet fitted!

YesYes

For self-defense I have S&W Model 66 .357 4" and Remington M870 tactical 18" loaded w/deer slugs  Whistling

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Posted by CN Spots on Friday, August 1, 2014 8:26 AM

Great choice for a weapon (the audible power of a pump shotgun can end a gunfight before it begins)  but the ammo might a bit much for home defense.  00 will cut through the entire house.  I've read the ideal shell is squirrel shot (#6).  It'll blow a hole through a 2x12 at close range but is unlikely to make it through several walls.  One round down a hallway with that cannon and most perps will jump out a window.

I'd still keep the .45 handy.  In case they're slow learners.  ; )

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Friday, August 1, 2014 8:31 AM

Gee!

      That looks mean .I should think that just the sound of racking one in would be scary enough .I digress though, I thought you meant a dog too!

       Now My dog will work just fine. If he doesn't make you go deaf with his incessant barking at strangers , he'll start biting at the ankles and work up. His teeth are sharp too!

P.S. My 1911 .45 caliber pistol works just fine. In 60 years I've had to use it twice in home defense .Did a good job each time!
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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, August 1, 2014 8:39 AM
GMorrison, Yes I have three grandkids who live 3, 000 miles away. Why do you ask?

Carlos, it is a Mossberg 500 tactical and no I haven't shot it yet. I would love to have a 590 A1 as well but they are $700. This was on sale at Big 5 Sporting goods for $439. I am waiting for my brother-in-law to take me to he police range as its only a couple of miles away. The other rifle ranges are far away and I don't know what they will let you shoot there as far as shotgun rounds.

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Posted by Aaron Skinner on Friday, August 1, 2014 9:13 AM

Mike,

Yes, we allow off-topic discussions. I don't have an issue with discussion of firearms, but we all know this is an emotionally charged issue that verges close to politics. I'm going to let the thread stand, but the moment it becomes any where close to political, it comes down. Fair warning to all involved.

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, August 1, 2014 9:14 AM
CN Spots, yes 00 buck does penetrate but according to experts including the FBI you want penetration deep to stop a dangerous attacker and I agree. I was going to go with birdshot but I can find no experts who condone it as a reliable man stopper. Slugs are out of the question and have little use for home defense. Those are made for hunting or for police work where you may need to punch through a car. I was going to use #4 buck as some people advocate it but there are no kids in the house so I think 00 is fine. The .45 will penetrate almost as much as the 00 but its a little harder to hit your target.
I just read a book on choosing a home defense weapon by a retired LAPD officer, SWAT team leader, detective and CSI for that department and a 12 gauge with 3" 00 buck was his recommendation as it contains 15 .33 cal pellets. That's about like emptying a Beretta 92 9mm in one shot! Impressive! ;)

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, August 1, 2014 9:42 AM
Thank You Aaron. Let's keep it civil gentleman. If you are against firearms, etc please don't ruin this thread. :)

Mike

 

 

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Posted by cwalker3 on Friday, August 1, 2014 12:08 PM

GMorrison

I've never been to a range that allows alley sweepers. Costs too much to keep replacing the target posts.

That's strange. The indoor and outdoor ranges that I've been to all allow shotguns.

Your Mossy is looking awfully nice. I have the 590A1 and love it. I replaced the standard stock with an adjustable one. Love that gun.

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, August 1, 2014 12:28 PM
I am going to put a Streamlight 6, 000 lumens flashlight on it but that is the only accessory I need.

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Posted by rommelkiste on Friday, August 1, 2014 12:54 PM

Nice choice GT.  I can get to many different things in almost any room I might be in.   I don't need a Dog. I live with only a Cat and she is well trained as you can tell from the photo of her from last winter.

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, August 1, 2014 1:21 PM
A sniper cat? No Pit Bull is safe now. Haha

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, August 1, 2014 2:04 PM

Well I had a nice reply typed up earlier regarding load choices, but my stinking POS ASUS tablet dumped it before I could post it... as usual... I had said (among many other things) not to worry about over penetration with 00 Buck, and if you were absolutely concerend about it as such, go no lower than #4 Buckshot. Standard modern home construction with 2x4 studs sandwiched between layers of drywall eats up shot. A light in the forearm slide is a great idea. I love those things. Very handy in low light situations.

 

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, August 1, 2014 2:21 PM
Carlos, there are some good videos on YouTube demonstrating penetration in drywall with a 12 gauge. I have a stucco house so hopefully that stops it should I have to use it.

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Posted by ygmodeler4 on Friday, August 1, 2014 2:24 PM

Nice choice, I like the 870 a little better only because the pump slides on every 500 I've held have been loose as heck...of course, my main use is for hunting and one little sound from a loose pump is enough to ruin a hunt...as far as home defense goes, the louder the slide the better ;)

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, August 1, 2014 3:03 PM
You know what's funny is the Mossberg is the only shotgun that passed the military's torture test yet they still use the Remington and the Benelli as.well. All three are fine.weapons.

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Posted by GreenThumb on Friday, August 1, 2014 3:06 PM
In regards to scaring someone in your house with that pump sound all the experts say that is BS and the only time the bad guy should hear the pump is in a follow up shot. I agree.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, August 1, 2014 3:32 PM

Mike, I have seen training films, live fire demonstrations, and the real thing used on the streets. When you have a real house with all the associated items inside, it is pretty rare for any handgun or shotgun round to go through more than one wall let lone exit that room and go into another. Not to say that it does not happen, but not too commonly. Distance alone bleeds off velocity fast.

I own a Benelli... it's the "Cadillac" of shotguns in my experience... I can have four rounds downrange before the first casing hits the ground. With 00 Buck that is some serious hurt up close and personal. I have fired Winchester, Remington, Mossberg, and Ithaca pump guns, and all are good weapons. It's pretty much matter of personal choice as to your prefence in safety and slide release postionings, etc.

As far as racking goes, unless you keep it constantly chambered (something I am not overly keen on for safety reasons), odds are a bad guy will hear it getting chambered in a real world situation.

 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, August 1, 2014 4:08 PM

GreenThumb
In regards to scaring someone in your house with that pump sound all the experts say that is BS and the only time the bad guy should hear the pump is in a follow up shot. I agree.

 
Many years ago I responded to a burglary in progress  call to a warehouse . Upon my arrival, my partner took the front and I went to the rear pending the arrival of the K9 unit for a building search. One subject decides to book out the back.... but left about 5 ft. of skid marks on the pavement from his step outs as the old 870 was racked. No further action required and he willingly gave himself up. That racking sound worked every time.

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Posted by armornut on Friday, August 1, 2014 4:23 PM

I have an aluminium bat and a bad attitude about folks monkeying with my stuff, a .40S&W Ruger for medicinal purposes. I never want to take a life if they can carry it with me on thier backs they can have it BUT  if my wife, dogs, or life is in jeopardy I will defend them with force. Really ought to buy a shotgun because like said above just the sound tips the odds in your favor. Nice firearm man.

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