Win 10 is coming like it or not

You can stop the auto upgrade, details below....

I speak as an IT Tech for a well known UK University & have been involved in trialling it from an Enterprise Business user point of view. I've been running various builds, inc the release version for about a year, on various old & new pc's.

But we can build our own custom .WIM's for our own use, and always do fresh 100% new installs.

Plusses: Stable, better memory management, error handling better, all round a good thing.  Learning curve is way less than Win8.x

Negatives: It can (& does) install itself as an 'ahem' update from MS update (!)

It can trash working systems (!) a very small %age, but that no consolation if it's your production pc. (it keeps trying to apply a patch that breaks it, then rolls it back, & applies the patch again!)

It can be rolled back for free for 30 days, but that in itself can trash your pc, but buy external storage/drive/memory stick & back up your data first, but hay, we do that anyway, don't we?

TO GET RID OF THE UPDATE NAG: (on Win7 pc's)

go to:

Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Programs and Features\Installed Updates

search for  KB3035583  & Uninstall it.

Above info: act at your own risk/your milage may vary/close cover before striking/seek indepenent medical advice/ & don't sue, I'm divorced (the x & her lawyers got everything!)

I don't like the way it appears to collect a lot of personal data/spying on you/dial level of personal discomfort here... although it appears to be for advertising purposes.

There are articles on what & how it does on 'T'Internet, as here UK's Independent Newspaper

good luck

GAF

 

But updating will require me to do some major software clearing and reinstallation.  Will wait till the last minute.

Gary

 

You know, I used to be one of those upgrade an existing OS guys back in the 98/XP days but now I prefer to do a fresh installation when moving from one OS to another. I keep my personal stuff on a separate HDD array anyway so other than reinstalling my programs its not that much trouble. I find you run into less problems with your installed programs and drivers that way plus you tend to get the latest versions of them when you are finished.

Heavens Eagle

 

The new  machine takes longer to go through the pot process than it does to load all the os and startup stuff.  Long post on the MSI X99a gaming board with the Intel 5820 I7 processor.  The two Samsung 500gig solid state drives set up as RAID0 load stuff eyeblink fast.  Win 8 seems stable enough, but the user interface is just absolute crap.

 

Very nice and sounds very similar to my setup. Same MSI X99a mainboard and processor. I went with a couple of Intel SSD's in a RAID 0 as well. A little overkill on the RAM with 32GB but I won't ever have to worry about it. Pushing a triple monitor display with an EVGA GTX970 which does the job just fine. Would absolutely love to get my hands on one of the new GTX1080's but man that price!

MikeyBugs95

About the pushed upgrades, MS has been changing the Win10 update from whatever it was classified as before to a "Recommended Update" so that it automatically installs on any machine with the setting to automatically install recommended updates on. It's slimy, yes. But here's an article I recently read on Win10. Pretty good read actually. If you've held off on upgrading, there is some good news. If you do upgrade and you don't like it, there is an option to revert back to your old system with all your files and programs. But it's only available for a month after you upgrade.

That's what happened to me.  Automatic updates.  Luckily, I caught it and canceled before it installed.  Perhaps I'll update my main after some more memory, but leave W7 on the older computers due to less memory.  But updating will require me to do some major software clearing and reinstallation.  Will wait till the last minute.

Gary

About the pushed upgrades, MS has been changing the Win10 update from whatever it was classified as before to a "Recommended Update" so that it automatically installs on any machine with the setting to automatically install recommended updates on. It's slimy, yes. But here's an article I recently read on Win10. Pretty good read actually. If you've held off on upgrading, there is some good news. If you do upgrade and you don't like it, there is an option to revert back to your old system with all your files and programs. But it's only available for a month after you upgrade.

Agreed! I am not a fan of how everything is turning to service/subscription based.

As to forced upgrades, something I have been hearing about lately has been subscription software.  Kind of like the antivirus software.  You don't get to buy a "version" of software say Windows 10.  You only get to buy a subscription to use the software for a year.  From what I hear a lot of the bigger companies are wanting to do this as a revenue generator.

While there has always been software like this, Autocad has been doing it for a while and Adobe is rumored to be considering it.  Hopefully that trend will die with competition and Microsoft won't consider it.

Oh I agree with the forced upgrade completely! 

Eric, I'm sure I'll be fine with 10. I pretty much already am.

But personal user Greg doesn't appreiciate having it shoved down my throat in this fashion, and business Greg is in disbelief that MS would do this. We're lucky, we stay pretty current and our Novell network is 10 ready. Far as we know pretty much everything else (except our operators) are ready too. But as you know there are things a business must do in preparation of even a relatively minor change, like workstation op sys version. And we hadn't done those things yet.

I still can't believe I'm not reading about these pushed upgrades on the net.

Still, I think we agree, as an op sys, 10 seems just fine.

I guess it shows the difference between power users and those that only run basics.  Only problem I ever had when running XP had nothing to do with the OS.  I was running it out of memory and the hardware was getting real long in the tooth.

The new  machine takes longer to go through the pot process than it does to load all the os and startup stuff.  Long post on the MSI X99a gaming board with the Intel 5820 I7 processor.  The two Samsung 500gig solid state drives set up as RAID0 load stuff eyeblink fast.  Win 8 seems stable enough, but the user interface is just absolute crap.

Please, no one take this wrong, (except Microsoft) but win 8 feels like they dumbed it way down.  They removed about 80% of the interface customization so it is impossible to make it look as good or easy to read as my old XP machine.  Don't even get me started on that start interface junk.  I have no clue what stupid moron came up with that.  I figured out a long time ago that setting up keyboard shortcuts were a lot faster and easier than point and click, especially for starting my often used programs.

sigh

Sorry for the rant.  I have run into this with several of my mainstay programs recently.  They add a bunch of junk for the point and click crowd and FUBAR the power users.  Thing is the fixes are a bigger pain to use than the old system in many cases.

I bought a new system with a 29" touch screen monitor.  For touch applications, 8 was pretty good.  I just did the upgrade to 10 and am dissapointed they took out the custom apps screen and made it a small pop up on the desktop.  A few hangs ups at the start but overall everything seems to be working.  

If it wasn't for the touch screen, I'd still recommend staying with 7.  And this from a guy who up until I bought the new system, lived well on a Pentium 4 and XP until it just plain died from old age.  

I guess to each their own but you've done the exact opposite of Gamera and named what is generally accepted as Microsoft's worst OS's, lol. What bugs are you talking about? Every piece of software known to man has it's share of bugs but I am aware of no ground breaking ones in 10.

Win XP? Uh.. hated that one too. If I had my way, I would have Vista Ultimate instead. Never... I mean NEVER had issues with it since I first had it because I did enough research to know how much memory/hard drive space is needed. I made sure I had more than enough to run Vista smoothly. Heck, even Millenium Me was good too. Windows 10? Forget it - I won't even touch it no matter how much they fixed it or how much they say is good or better. Microsoft is so f-d up they can't put out a decent OS without bugs.

Go with 10 my friend, you won't look back. Not to hijack the thread but I would love to know the specs on your gaming rig!

I built a new machine (gaming grade) at the start of this year and went with Win 8.1 which absolutely is a piece of rotten slimy garbage compared to XP.

While I needed to upgrade to 64bit, and the OS works (sorta), the user interface is best described with abut 40 different four letter unmentionable cuss words.  Stupid, unwealdy, ignorant, grossly incompetent, and frustrating also come to mind.

So while I have been tempted to upgrade to 10, the poor piece of smelly poo that 8.1 really makes me leary.  Then again, any improvement is better than what I have now.

Jester75

That's funny Gamera, you've just named the best of the best in Microsoft OS's.

 

Very true, guess either I was lucky or have enough computer savvy friends to have totally avoided WinME, Vista, and Win8. Of course I've never updated to any OS until it's been out a year or more and the bugs have been (mostly) worked out. 

Doog: Yeap, good point there. 

Phil_H

I feel that my system was more stable on 7 than it is on 10. Having said that, overall, 10 is ok, but nothing really that special.

Keep in mind that the free upgrade to 10 ends on July 29, 2016 and if you wish to upgrade after that date, you will have to purchase an upgrade.

 

That's funny Gamera, you've just named the best of the best in Microsoft OS's.

Thanks from me as well. I still haven't updated either my desktop or laptop either. I remember back when I was using Win98 and everyone told me XP was horrible and not to upgrade. After I did I loved XP. Then people told me Win7 was awful and not to upgrade, well when I finally did I love it. So I guess I should go ahead and upgrade, I've just been putting it off. 

Thanks guys for your input. I found my computer the other night with 25% downloaded Windows 10. I shut the machine off to stop the process.

I called the computed repair place I use and asked the tech who said the Microsoft is pushing Windows 10 and eventually one will have to use the new system.  He said is seems to be pretty stable and has heard of no issues unless you have some unwanted junk in the system that will cause it to get stuck. So I guess Greg that eventually, like it or not we will have to use it.

Just a while back I had the darn Windows 10 box up again and I cliked on the wrong box which scheduled my PC for an automatic upgrade but didn't see the date. I wonder how I can pull the info up to get the date.   

Greg

My 2 cents, Ernie, is that sooner or later MS will probably charge for the upgrade as they are threatening to do, and certainly eventually will end support for Windows 7. So probably may as well bite the bullet while the upgrade is still free. Again, just my opinion.

 

Mainstream support for Windows 7 actually ended in January of last year and extended support is scheduled to end in 2020.

Microsoft Support Lifecycle

Hmm, working in IT and managing at least 12 servers and 70+ workstations in a healthcare environment I have to say I love Windows 10. Microsoft seems to make its best operating systems every other release going back as far as I can remember. Windows 10 is fast and I have experienced no bugs with it either using it in a personal environment or a business environment. Lots of business like to stick with legacy software that never gets upgraded and I can see how that is problem for them. I have never heard of a machine updating itself to Windows 10 without any user input, that is crazy. As long as your machine is not ancient and has some decent hardware I would recommend it. It is slightly different than Windows 7 but not much from Windows 8 as far as how it looks and how you navigate within it. Change is usually not accepted well and I will admit that I despised Windows 8 and was initially not very excited about Windows 10 but I'm a supporter now for sure.

Tojo72

It's okay,no strong feelings either way.

 

That sums up my feelings, sort of....

I see no benefits of upgrading yet. There is a learning curve. Not steep, but annoying as usual. The main issue I've had so far is registratoin issues with software. New op sys so some of my purchased software is demanding registration. This might end up being a big, unpleasant deal or not.

Given a choice, I would not have upgraded for at least 2 yrs as there is no compelling reason to and lots and lots of reasons not to, especially for businesses.

Might be noteworthy to mention that much to my horror late last week I woke up to my main personal machine having updated itself overnight. I knew sooner or later I'd have to bite the bullet so I decided not to revert back to 7 (and I had work to do, no time to revert back).

(I upgraded my seldom-used desktop a few months ago as a test machine so I'm not totally unfamiliar with 10)

Our IT guy at work is a lady and a freind we gripe about MS as a hobby all the time, I told her what happened at home and we figured I must have pushed a wrong button. This is unlikely, but I had myself convinced I must have done so. Not any more!

Next morning, several workstations at work had upgraded. More are daily. This is costing us money and time every day. To my surprise, I am seeing nothing on the internet or the news about this happening. ?!?!

I smell a class action lawsuit.

Sorry, I got carried away.

My 2 cents, Ernie, is that sooner or later MS will probably charge for the upgrade as they are threatening to do, and certainly eventually will end support for Windows 7. So probably may as well bite the bullet while the upgrade is still free. Again, just my opinion.

Like every other MS op sys, Win 7 will eventually become a memory, whether we like it or not.

I feel that my system was more stable on 7 than it is on 10. Having said that, overall, 10 is ok, but nothing really that special.

Keep in mind that the free upgrade to 10 ends on July 29, 2016 and if you wish to upgrade after that date, you will have to purchase an upgrade.

It's okay,no strong feelings either way.

Hated Windows 8 - Windows 10 I'd hold off on upgrading. Too many bugs no matter what Microsoft says. I've seen and heard too many horrible stuff with Win 10.

It's been a tough road due to the way they rolled it out, but I did a clean install of it, after one of their numerous updates , about 3 months ago and haven't any problems with it yet. If you update now you get the benefit of having the bugs out of it. I've had it for about a year now and it's probably operating the way it's supposed to. Can't promise you no issues and I would save to an external device anything outside of software that you really don't want to take a chance of losing.