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Kaga Wreck Found

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Posted by STOVK on Thursday, October 31, 2019 2:04 PM

It's just amazing the US even won that battle.

 

Here is a great time-lapse breakdown of the battle.

There are few events throughout history which can claim to have "changed History" - the Battle of Midway was one of those events.

The Battle of Midway was a turning point in the Pacific War. The march of the Imperial Japanese Navy across the Pacific was halted at Midway and never restarted and the victory at Midway aided allied strategy worldwide.

Japan's top strategist, Admiral Yamamoto, convinced that America's Industrial Might would prevail in a long war, had planned the Pearl Harbor attack to be a knockout blow. But it wasn't. And so, Yamamoto circling the island of Midway on his map, laid new plans to draw the American fleet into a decisive battle and finish it off.

Yamamoto's plan would fail because American code breakers were able to provide details of it to the Navy's top Pacific Commander, Admiral Chester Nimitz, and it would fail because there are times when the human instinct for survival is overcome by a mysterious thing called pride. At Midway, there were many such mysteries. On June 4th, 1942, American torpedo bombers from Midway and from the carriers Yorktown, Enterprise, and Hornet went up against newer, faster Japanese planes. Against the carriers themselves in uncoordinated attacks against overwhelming odds.

Of the first 63 torpedo bombers to go in without air cover, 48 were destroyed. Of the 132 men who flew those planes, 100 died. They flew into walls of flak and swarms of Zeros, knowingly and without hesitation, toward almost certain death.

But by sacrificing themselves they prevented the zigzagging Japanese carriers from launching new attacks - by keeping the zeros busy at low altitudes. They made it possible for American dive-bombers to fall upon the Japanese fleet almost unnoticed. Within 5-minutes, the four Japanese carriers and other ships were reduced to flaming wrecks and were going down with more than 3000 men.

Some of the enemy planes found the Yorktown and scored with two torpedoes. The carrier was abandoned but some men, trapped in a watertight compartment below decks, couldn't get off. An officer who spoke to them on the ship's phone asked them if they knew what kind of a fix they were in and a voice said, "Sure. But we've got one hell of a card game going on down here." And then the voice added, "One thing though. When you scuttle her, shoot straight. Aim the torpedoes where we are. Make it quick."

The torpedoes weren't needed. In time, the Yorktown rolled over and with battle flags still flying went down with those men in 3000 fathoms of water. They are still there. That ship and those men fused by the sea into an unseen monument. To a mysterious thing called - pride.

“Even against the greatest of odds, there is something in the human spirit - a magic blend of skill, faith, and valor - that can lift men from certain defeat to incredible victory.”
― Walter Lord, Incredible Victory: The Battle of Midway

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Posted by Nino on Saturday, October 26, 2019 9:55 AM

This new video is excellent. Thanks for the link Phil_H .

I did a comparison with this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA1fjovmH9g

It helped me get a better understanding as to "Where you are" in the PAUL ALLEN footage.

     Nino

 

P.S.  Also, Akagi found:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gt1WRk43GU

There a great video of Chokai here:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=706071753222186

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Saturday, October 26, 2019 12:09 AM

Being a former hole snipe, I can tell you; when the @#$%$ is hitting the fan topside, there is nowhere to go. You just do your job as best you can and hope to survive. There is no nationalistic pride, there only you and your shipmates, trying to keep the engines running and firemain pressure up so the ones topside can fight the fires and keep her afloat. And maybe, just maybe, you'll see tomorrows sunlight.

Find "the men who sail below" and you might understand just a little. But it goes far deeper than that.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, October 25, 2019 1:41 PM

In the latter portion of the video, there appears to be either molten slag or rustcicles coming off the side of that deck... and the blown outward bulkheads in the early portions of the video... mute evidence of her long ago death agonies...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Phil_H on Friday, October 25, 2019 1:37 AM

Longer video of the Kaga wreck.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:27 AM

modelcrazy

Nothing of the flight deck left, some hanger spaces but it looks gutted. I wish I could see a closser picture.

 

Yes, I am looking forward to seeing the close up photos like those that were taken of Lexington, Wasp, and Hornet. 

 

M4, the Akagi’s engineers story is tragic indeed. IIRC from reading, they were cut off from evacuating their positions by the flames fairly soon after the ship was hit, but they were able to provide power. In early to mid afternoon though the engines stopped, and it was surmised that they had died due to heat or suffocation. But later in the afternoon the engines started turning again for awhile. If you’ve ever read the account of the Hiryu engineers who were able to escape, it is not hard to surmise that the engineer crews of the other carriers lost had similar experiences, but did not survive to tell their tales.  

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:23 AM

The commander of US naval forces in Japan wrote a nice sentiment after the discovery of the Kaga.

“On the occasion of the discovery of the Kaga, we send our thoughts and prayers to our trusted and valued friends in Japan. The terrible price of war in the Pacific was felt by all our navies. From that painful lesson, we have become the closest of allies and friends committed to maintaining a free and open Indo-Pacific,” Rear Adm. Brian Fort, commander of U.S. naval forces in Japan

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by M4Shermanmodeler on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 9:14 AM

All these discoveries lead to some solemn thoughts about the men of both sides who fought so valiantly on these long dead ships. To be trapped below decks on a burning World War II aircraft carrier is the most terrifying thing I can imagine; yet they held to their stations. To those who fell and to those who survived go the highest honors. As we near the anniversary of the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands, yet another desperate moment in the desperate year of 1942; it strikes me that the war in the Pacific was fought by soldiers, sailors, airman and marines of great courage on both sides. Uncommon valor was indeed a common virtue. 

Tim-M4Shermanmodeler

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Posted by modelcrazy on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 7:13 AM

Nothing of the flight deck left, some hanger spaces but it looks gutted. I wish I could see a closser picture.

Steve

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Posted by Tickmagnet on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:26 AM

Very interesting considering the movie is just about to release and it looks like it will be a good one too.

 

 

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Posted by Eagle90 on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:56 AM

stikpusher

Akagi... 18,000 feet below the surface. 

 

 

18,000 feet!!!!  It's hard to fathom (pun not intended but appropiate) that kinda depth.  Think of an aircraft flying at 18,000 feet.  

This is really cool history here!

 

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Monday, October 21, 2019 11:47 PM

She looks to have landed virtually verticle. Doesn't show much bottom disturbance other than a good size "splash" zone.

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Posted by ikar01 on Monday, October 21, 2019 7:52 PM

 

i built the Akagi for a friend...I couild'nt afford it.  There's a lot of parts in that kit.  As I went along, I kept remembering that she was a converted battlecruiser that gained 10,000 tons in the process.  The way certaings were done and things added, I started to call it the IJN Afterthought.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, October 21, 2019 2:37 PM

modelcrazy

Where did you get that picture Stick?

 

Thats on the BBC article

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50124313

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, October 21, 2019 2:20 PM

Where did you get that picture Stick?

Steve

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, October 21, 2019 1:56 PM
Outstanding !!!

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, October 21, 2019 1:27 PM

Akagi... 18,000 feet below the surface. 

 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, October 21, 2019 1:09 PM

modelcrazy

 

 
scottrc

 

 
modelcrazy

I feel another wreck build coming.

 

 

 

Using your Akagi kit?  hee heeBig Smile

 

 

 

My 1/350? No way! It'd be my 1/700 kit of either the Kaga or Akagi.

 

Yup, I was eluding to your 1/350 kit my friend. But a dio in 1/700 would be awsome. 

I read a USA today at lunch and the SONAR photos of the Akagi show that the hull could be in tact and a burned out shell.  That might make it easy for a diorama.  Its tough when the hull is in many pieces scattered over a few miles.

That had to be one well built ship.  

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, October 21, 2019 12:08 PM

scottrc

 

 
modelcrazy

I feel another wreck build coming.

 

 

 

Using your Akagi kit?  hee heeBig Smile

 

My 1/350? No way! It'd be my 1/700 kit of either the Kaga or Akagi.

Steve

Building a kit from your stash is like cutting a head off a Hydra, two more take it's place.

 

 

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, October 21, 2019 11:39 AM

modelcrazy

I feel another wreck build coming.

 

Using your Akagi kit?  hee heeBig Smile

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, October 21, 2019 10:19 AM

According to this article, the plan is to survey the entire Midway battle area and locate all of the sunken ships and downed aircraft. That is a massive area to cover...

 

https://news.usni.org/2019/10/18/video-wreck-discovered-of-wwii-japanese-carrier-key-to-pearl-harbor-attack

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Monday, October 21, 2019 9:52 AM

I also seem to remember that we had the ability to drain the avaition fuel lines and flood with CO2 when we knew an attack was coming.  IIRC the IJN didn't have that ability then.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, October 21, 2019 9:39 AM

GMorrison

Well Akagi had the island on the port side, Soryu on the starboard side so that should help.

 

Not to mention the stack arrangment, and Akagi being substantially larger than Soryu. Akagi was like Lexington or Saratoga in size, while Soryu was smaller like Wasp.

Tony, I’ve been thinking the same thing about the drawing image of Kaga in Shattered Sword. If you think of how badly damaged that Bunker Hill or Franklin were in 1945 when they were hit under similar conditions (armed & fueled squadrons of aircraft on deck), and were able to survive, I can only imagine what Akagi, Kaga, and Soryu look like.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, October 21, 2019 9:11 AM
I remember reading in Shattered Sword that internal explosions wrecked Kaga pretty bad until she finally sunk,some might remember the artist rendition,will be interesting to see

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, October 21, 2019 8:53 AM

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, October 21, 2019 7:42 AM

That's friggin' amazing! Still impresses me that people can find stuff like that in the great dark abyss that is the ocean floor. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:35 PM

LOL!

 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:25 PM

modelcrazy

I feel another wreck build coming.

 

Got your early planning done for the Japanese ship GB done I see...Big Smile

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, October 20, 2019 11:24 PM

Well Akagi had the island on the port side, Soryu on the starboard side so that should help.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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