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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, September 14, 2020 4:51 PM

That IS funny!

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, September 14, 2020 3:51 PM

GMorrison

 

Our big Dolan fire was caused by marijuana farmers.

 

 

I bet the downwind effects for folks on that one were interesting...

Cal fire requesting air support and dozens of pizzas... Wink

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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  • From: Vancouver, British Columbia
Posted by Bobstamp on Monday, September 14, 2020 3:43 PM

Members who have been around for a few months may recall that I survived a U.S. Forest Service plane crash in 1962. I was in that aircraft voluntarily to take photographs for a newspaper story I was writing about fire fighting in New Mexico's Gila National Forest; I was a part-time stringer for the Southwestern New Mexico edition of the El Paso Times.

I was acting not as a impartial observer, but as an active cheerleader for the Forest Service and its efforts to fight fires. The Gila Forest had been my playground for several years, and I fully supported any efforts to keep it from burning up. Smokey Bear was my friend! 

Today, I realize that the Forest Service was fighting a battle that it should have ignored, and that it's efforts, as "successful" as they were, were setting the stage for disaster by allowing the forest floor to become carpeted with a deep blanket of dead twigs, branches, leaves, needles, bark, and logs. In short, they were feeding future fires. In recent years there have been some of the largest fires in the forest's history right in the areas where I used to hike and camp. One of the victims was my Boy Scout camp, camp Tuff Moses, which was abandoned years ago because of the danger that the hundreds of boys who went there every summer might easily have been trapped by fire. In fact, one of the worst of the fires occurred just two or three years ago on Signal Peak, which was one of the scouts' hiking destinations for day hikes.

I recently read about a scientific study in the Gila Forest, based on the longevity ponderosa pines in a firey environment. The researchers determined that trees that had been growing since pre-colonial times had "suffered" from scores of fires, but nevertheless thrived. Because of the lack of duff on the forest floor, the fires, apparently, weren't hot enough to destroy the trees, much less the soil like recent fires are doing.

The men I worked with when I was writing my story were all earnest, hard workers who believed that what they were doing was the right thing to do, rather like some politicians in my past who believed that intervening in other people's conflicts was the right thing to do. In short, Forest Fires were on an equal par with Communism in the political mind. In both types of situations, however, the people in charge were simply charging ahead, armed with inadequate information. Unfortunately, there was and still is an consequence of all that fire-suppression activity: injury and death.

While I was still in high school, a teenage smokejumper was permanently paralized when he landed on a large rock in the Gila. 

The airport from which the Forest Service's tanker planes and bird dog planes operated was about 11 miles (19 kilometres) southeast of my home in Silver City. Late one summer afternoon, my dad I and I saw two TBM tankers, heavily laden with borate slurry, clamoring for altitude as they headed for a fire in the Gila. Their flight path took them right over our house. Long after sunset, when it was nearly dark, just one of the TBMs flew back, low and fast, heading for the airport. We learned the next day that the 19-year-old pilot of the other plane had clipped a mountain top just as he was heading for his drop point, and crashed into the canyon below. The photograph at the right, below, likely shows the TBM that survived that flight; I took the photo about half an hour before I took off on my own fateful flight. (The photo at the left shows a B-25 Mitchell bomber repurposed as tanker. I couldn't fly in that plane that day becaue it was being serviced):

One of the models in my stash is a TBM that I plan to build as the TBM in this photo. 

Bob

 

On the bench: A diorama to illustrate the crash of a Beech T-34B Mentor which I survived in 1962 (I'm using Minicraft's 1/48 model of the Mentor), and a Pegasus model of the submarine Nautilus of 20,000 Leagues Under the Seas fame. 

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Posted by keavdog on Friday, September 11, 2020 8:42 PM

stikpusher

 

 
keavdog

We won't see rain for months here in San Diego.   But the awesome CalFire and millitary crews have a handle on it.   If mother nature helps out it should be over in a couple days.  Sad for the folks that lost property, fortunately no lives have been lost so far 

 

 

 

From what I’ve read this morning, there have been around a dozen or so fatalities across CA, OR, & WA due to the fires and another dozen or more folks are missing and unaccounted for currently. 

 

Speaking specifically about the fire in San Diego - Horrible to think about folks in the other fires loosing their lives.

Thanks,

John

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, September 11, 2020 8:35 PM

Officials warn that social media reports of arson by "political" groups unfounded.

Our big Dolan fire was caused by marijuana farmers.

Other big ones by all the usual.

 

Last  year big fires by the utility.

Whatever, it's hell. reminds me of luke's home planet in SW4.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Vancouver, British Columbia
Posted by Bobstamp on Friday, September 11, 2020 8:11 PM

British Columbia, knock on wood, has had no serious fires so far this year, at least not serious in terms of property damage or even evacuations. But we are beginning to get a lot of smoke from Washington and probably Oregon. We can normally see the mountains on the North Shore easily, but not today: they are completely socked in, and we can smell a bit of smoke in the air.

Yesterday, the Lower Mainland established several new records for high temperatures, but compared to other parts of the world, we're in heaven: Current temperature is 21 C (69.8 F). Yesterday the high was 25 C (77 F). 

Bob

On the bench: A diorama to illustrate the crash of a Beech T-34B Mentor which I survived in 1962 (I'm using Minicraft's 1/48 model of the Mentor), and a Pegasus model of the submarine Nautilus of 20,000 Leagues Under the Seas fame. 

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, September 11, 2020 3:18 PM

Okay, I feel for you folks .

    Oregon and California are in a bad strait right now. I expect Washington State to chime in soon. Storms started by lightning is bad enough.Then You have those Nuts that love to start Fires. I have lived in all three of the States with the top two being GOD'S country! California is great for boating where I lived. One of the reasons I " Went Hippee" ( Like some of my friends said) and Chose to live on a Boat that was ocean Certified. I could take my littled disabled wife and myself out of the area by water.

 Sometimes I would just run around in circles off the Sea Lanes near Monterey! I sadly say I miss all three States still. But with having my health Nose Dive, I couldn't take the smoky skies Now. Oh ! The comment about folks rebuilding. Hey, Have you seen how many communities rebuild after a F-5 Tornado on the Fujita Scale. Very few dissappear completely. It's in our nature to keep striving to overcome Mother Nature. Ain't gonna happen!!

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Friday, September 11, 2020 12:42 PM

keavdog

gold hammer where are you?

 

I'm about 1/2 way between Eugene and Salem, and 12 miles east of I-5 at the foot of the Cascade mountains in western Oregon.

 

Anyone interested... Google NWCC and pull up the large fire map.  I'm between the holiday farm and beachie creek/santiam fires just off the west edges.  Can zoom in and move around on their map.

If you zoom in to 3 miles, I'm on Hwy 20, about a 1/4 inch east of Sodaville road.

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  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Friday, September 11, 2020 11:58 AM

Yesterday was CAVU here in Central Oregon, but woke up this morning with a heavy smoke overcast and vis down to 1/2 mile. Also have the smoky smell today and it seems to be agitating the horses. Birds are acting different too.

Wednesday, the Riverside fire was just a blip on the Wildfire incident site, now it's huge.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Friday, September 11, 2020 11:29 AM

keavdog

We won't see rain for months here in San Diego.   But the awesome CalFire and millitary crews have a handle on it.   If mother nature helps out it should be over in a couple days.  Sad for the folks that lost property, fortunately no lives have been lost so far 

 

From what I’ve read this morning, there have been around a dozen or so fatalities across CA, OR, & WA due to the fires and another dozen or more folks are missing and unaccounted for currently. 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by keavdog on Friday, September 11, 2020 2:05 AM

gold hammer where are you?

Thanks,

John

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Posted by keavdog on Friday, September 11, 2020 2:04 AM

We won't see rain for months here in San Diego.   But the awesome CalFire and millitary crews have a handle on it.   If mother nature helps out it should be over in a couple days.  Sad for the folks that lost property, fortunately no lives have been lost so far 

Thanks,

John

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Friday, September 11, 2020 1:31 AM

Take care goldhammer.

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, September 10, 2020 11:40 PM

Got 2 fires about 20 miles away, one sse and the other ene of us, but doubt we'll get evac notices due to terrain and vegetation types.  The strong east winds have died and starting to get light west winds.  Smoke is going to be nasty and thick until Monday or Tuesday when we get up to half an inch of rain...not enough to really help, but with the 4 fires closest running close to 700k acres, over 1000 square miles, anything helps.

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Posted by Hutch6390 on Thursday, September 10, 2020 6:59 PM

Dodgy
I hope all of you and your families are safe. You are all in our thoughts.

Echo that - please stay safe.

Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, you know?

   

TakkaTakkaTakkaTakkaTakkaTakka

 

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Posted by Dodgy on Thursday, September 10, 2020 6:34 PM

Well, on the news here they are reporting both towns and lives lost. I hope all of you and your families are safe. You are all in our thoughts.

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, September 9, 2020 12:18 PM

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by keavdog on Wednesday, September 9, 2020 12:12 PM

The fire here in San Diego is holding at 17K acres 11% contained.  Enormous amount of resources on it.

8 tankers and 14 helicopters.  93 engines and 687 personnel.

We have help from the navy and marine helos which btw would make an interesting build with their temporary hi vis markings.

Thanks,

John

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Wednesday, September 9, 2020 12:04 PM

The 2 fires I mentioned yesterday have merged and now are at around 225,000 acres.  Looks like 4-5 small towns are gone.  Got another tearing east of Eugene that ate up 20 miles, and destroyed the town of Blue River in less than 24 hours.  All of these towns are going to look like Paradise a couple years ago.  So far no deaths reported, about the only good news.

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:24 AM

tankboy51

In Denver, it's right now, 32 degrees Fahrenheit and rainy, snowy,  September 8,  2020.  It was 98 degrees yesterday.  Geeeez.

 

Two days ago it was 116* here. Yesterday was 91* I guess summer IS winding down.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:54 PM

Yeah, I look at Southern California and you get a fire...they save the homes and come winter rains you get the mud slide since nothing is left to hold ground together.  Down comes the homes and they rebuild in the same spot...5-10 years later the cycle repeats when the brush takes back over.

 

We now have mandatory evacs in about 4 towns about 25 miles north of us....the cause of the smoke that caused us to bail a day early yesterday.  The 2 larger fires look like they may merge with the east winds forecasted for the next day or so since they are 3 miles apart.  The eastern fire is headed for another 2 small towns and they are on short notice.

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Posted by scottrc on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 12:52 PM

GMorrison

As of today we've lost 2.3 M acres this year.

not having as many inmates available is one problem.

From where I sit as a land use planner and architect- we do build in the stupidest places sometimes.

 

 

Bill

 

 

I have been studying Google Earth and look at certian areas to see how populated they have become over the last twenty years.  What was a sand bar on the coast is now a community crammed full of million dollar homes.  What shocks me is how much building is going on in the mountains in areas that are prone to heavy snow pack, mud slides, and fire storms.  I say we must have more money than brains in thinking we can out design mother nature. 

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 11:59 AM

Hi Dodgy;

       Aha! Here in Texas, Down by the Mexican Border, I am actually in the Hill Country near Canyon Lake, it's hot and clear one day 105 is the highest so far, Or it's 78 and Rainy. So Far So Good !

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Posted by tankboy51 on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:01 AM

In Denver, it's right now, 32 degrees Fahrenheit and rainy, snowy,  September 8,  2020.  It was 98 degrees yesterday.  Geeeez.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, September 8, 2020 8:45 AM

GMorrison

Yes self included. I am not advocating that its any direct cause and effect more like unintended consequences.

Now we are stuck in a cycle where fire smoke conributes to global warming, which contributes to fires etc.

 

Yep, it is called positive feedback.  While positive feedback is good in social interactions, it can be a wicked thing in a servo control system, including natural ones.  While any particular incident cannot be attributed to CC, it can affect the environment to change the statistics.  I hope this is not too political- if it is I will abstain further.

 

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, September 7, 2020 11:44 PM

GMorrison

Yes self included. I am not advocating that its any direct cause and effect more like unintended consequences. 

The results were there to be seen for anybody who knows how the system works, and what would change with the laws enacted by the voters. Or for those who looked into it. The reduced inmate fire crews are just part of the ripple effect.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Monday, September 7, 2020 11:36 PM

Hoo Yah...

I'm just over the hill from you.  Had a little fire (18 acres) last weekend on our way up for 10 days of camping and mining.  Scheduled to come back tomorrow but we got buried in smoke this afternoon and bailed.... No idea where it was coming from and in a canyon with one way in and out.  Back home the smoke is just as bad...coming in from the warm springs and beachie fires on the east wind.  Half mile visibility at the best.

We talked to a deputy sheriff about the little fire...was started by a boat safety flare that some idiot shot off.  Was a miracle they got it stopped that quick...no roads..had to ferry crews and equipment about 2 miles by boat across the lake.  Terrain mostly vertical, timber and brush.

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  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Monday, September 7, 2020 8:43 PM

Well, right now, visibility is down to about a half mile due to the smoky conditions. We've got a long burn going on about twenty miles north-west of us and I'm sure the fire crews are not having a good day with this wind. Even the birds are acting strange in these conditions.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Monday, September 7, 2020 8:37 PM

We're heading into Spring now and whilst I'm looking forward to Summers warmth and sunshine, am not looking forward to the fire season. It was pretty desperate here in East Gippsland last summer. Mind you I had the pleasure of drinking with some of the American fire crews. Great bunch of people, hated a beer, and introduced me to chewing tobacco. Interesting but I think I'll stick to alcohol.

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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