The General Lee

PaintsWithBrush

What part of the moderators locking the first thread about the confederate rag didn't sink in?

LOL A google search found this!  MATADOR

CodyJ

LOL A google search found this!  MATADOR

PaintsWithBrush

What part of the moderators locking the first thread about the confederate rag didn't sink in?

Correct!   Like this ONE!!!

CodyJ

Correct!   Like this ONE!!!

I just got a General Lee today..........and I wasn't looking very hard either. Just went to my local hobby store to browse around and noticed a MPC/Round 2  1/16 scale General Lee sitting on the shelf. With all the flap going on recently about the Confederate flag symbol, I figured I'd better pick up this kit before it's gone for good. Only cost me $40 too. I'm not a car builder, so I'll just keep the box unopened and keep the kit for collector value.......if any. It was also the last General Lee in the store too. Store clerk told me it was highly doubtful he'd get any more in.

Well, I wouldn't know about those kits..................it seems that a 1975 AMC Matador was made by AMT.................................http://www.modelroundup.com/product-p/amt-8116sd.htm

.....................anybody could build one of those with a flag on top and hide the flag with a jet engine and airplane wings like in the James Bond movie........nobody would be any wiser...............

Paintswithbrush - Not for nothing there are people who's been around long enough to know how to think rationally even during the controversial subjects.

For those who hated Dukes of Hazzard show, relax. It's a show and a fun one filled with comedy and action. Nothing was offensive in the story lines.  I was a die-hard fan of the show during my youth. Don't tell me you never liked seeing Daisy Duke in her short shorts. You know you have.

I read online this afternoon, a majority of folks down south look at the Confederate flag with pride due to the history behind it. Not as a view to offend  anyone. I live in New York State and have see my fair share of the rebel flag decals on trucks and cars. Does it offends me? Not really nor does folks care.

The state of South Carolina seriously needs to get over themselves and deal with the real problems at hand like homelessness, highway improvement, lowering taxes, illegal drugs, illegal immigrants, etc... I'm talking about REAL problems, not a flag from history's past. Admit it, it's just too far gone and too late. You can't stop people from displaying the rebel flag on their own property.

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

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For those who hated Dukes of Hazzard show, relax. It's a show and a fun one filled with comedy and action. Nothing was offensive in the story lines. ............. Don't tell me you never liked seeing Daisy Duke in her short shorts. You know you have.

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Interestingly, I was just reading this item about Daisy's shorts:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078607/trivia

" When network executives saw her wearing the shorts, they had a fit and told the producers she couldn't wear them. After arguing back and forth, the executives allowed her to wear them on one condition: she had to wear pantyhose beneath them so nothing would accidentally be revealed. Instead of diverting attention from her outfit, as the executives hoped, the hose highlighted her long, shapely legs, making Bach a '70s TV sex symbol." 

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

I read online this afternoon, a majority of folks down south look at the Confederate flag with pride due to the history behind it.

And no they were not asked if they "looked at it with pride". There aren't that many idiots in the state. Those people see it as a symbol of pride, but not their own.

A solid 75% total say it does not belong on State property unless it's in a museum.

I don't recall ever watching a complete episode of the show. Just bits and pieces and I'd get bored with it and walk away. I just found it pretty goofy. I wasn't offended by the way it portrayed/stereotyped anyone. The flag was there because the car was called the General Lee and the show took place in the south.

Never particularly cared about the car. I certainly want one now to display.

I loved it when I was little. It was fun

  As a kid, the show was pretty cool and so was the car. I had an MPC GL model as a kid and built it (even though it turned out pretty bad) . As I've grown older the show has lost its appeal to me , even though I view it as a harmless fun show to kids, but I still like the car. I was recently given a 1/16 scale General Lee that was showing it's age and half built already. I ended up tossing it only because the condition of the kit was so bad but was eyeing one anyway in 1/25th scale after I threw the other one away. Now they aint  as easy to find due to all the mess that's happening now. I'll end up getting one but only because I wanted one in the first place.

Mitsdude watched bits and pieces of the show, huh? Except when Daisy Duke is on. LOL! Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Daisy Duke's scenes were the "bits and pieces" watched.

Made southerners look like a bunch of morons, esp. the police. I find that offensive, like all generalizations. My fathers side of the family is all southerners, although not rural people. Must be five generations from Missouri.

You find it offensive? Pretty simple. Don't watch it. I somehow must have missed the "right to not be offended" in the bill of rights. As someone who was a kid when it was on and loved cars, it was fun to watch. Political correctness is destroying this country with a quickness never seen before. The group-think is out of hand. Disagree with a screaming minority of people? (That the media will lead you to think is the majority) You will be SET UPON by "the mob", and have your life and livelihood ruined. I'm sure we can "ban" our way to utopia.....

It's just a TV show.

I am offended that everybody is offended..I'm even offended by the word "offended".

Why would somebody be offended by a fictional tv show?

Because one character(or however many) is a bumbling idiot, does not imply that an entire group of people are bumbling idiots...just that guy. Idiots are EVERYWHERE...north, south, east, west and all points in between and beyond. Ever seen "Escanaba in da Moonlight" (Jeff Daniels)...does that make everybody from Michigan look like idiots? Should I be offended? I think not...I giggled and even laughed at it (I like stupid, nonsense comedy!).

(Not intended as a jab at ya G...just my perspective!)

If I were to wear a t-shirt that said "Straight, White, Meat eater...and PROUD"...everybody  wearing a "rainbow pride / black pride(any race for that matter) and/or "meat is murder" t-shirt would be offended, and that's perfectly acceptable..but, if I was offended by their shirt, I'm an a-hole bigot. STUPID! Tell me I'm wrong???!!! My shirt doesn't say I hate anybody, for any reason.

As for the flag...to the victors goes the history. Anything can be written, taught, suppressed and/or omitted from the pages. Had the tables turned, and the Confederate flag been the flag we recognize today, would the Union Flag represent hate??? When I was little, we had a confederate flag hanging in the living room. My Dad was born and raised in Michigan (5th generation, in fact)and was Huey pilot in the U.S. Army...we have relatives who fought (and died) for the North. For him (and myself), it simply represents a people, standing up for their beliefs, values, ideals and freedoms, not willing to be dictated to what they can or can not do. To them, their flag represented the same things our flags today represent to us.

I see the flag a lot, around here...mostly on trucks. Usually, some punk "redneck" kid, flying it to say "I'm a little rebel, aint nobody gonna tell me what to do, cuz F-you, that's wahh....BEER....'MERICA" .

Whatever!

Seems to me, that the ones always trying to find offense and point out hate and hate groups are the biggest hate group of all. Sad.

Yes I know and I am not offended by the show, that was an overstatement. Got a little worked up there.

Whats weird is that in the 60's the whole Confederate thing had a run through hippy culture as well. Same general premise- distaste for the Gov'munt.

I guess that's usually what's behind it's display.

Getting back to the MPC model car of the "General Lee";, you know, the actual reason and subject of this thread.

I was just looking at the kit box in a local store and was reminded of my observation last year:

No Confederate Battle flag displayed on either the box or photo of the car or kit.

Accessing the Round Two website :

http://www.round2models.com/models/mpc/general-lee/product

no Confederate flag.

The kit instructions only display the door numbers.

I am now wondering if folks have been buying kits not knowing the flag decal is not included.

Anyone actually open a kit box and inspect the kit decals? 

Actually, if somebody is gonna ban the Confederate flag due to slavery, what happens to Old Glory?

Slavery existed under Old Glory before the Confederacy existed.

Do any of the history buffs here remember that? 

BTW............I recall seeing Pinewood Derby decals of the Confederate Battle Flag.

Did those disappear from stores, as well?

Once more...IT IS NOT BANNED!

Why oh why is that so hard to get across.

Once more...IT IS NOT BANNED!

To recap- The State Government of South Carolina has decided to reopen the discussion about whether or not to fly the flag on capitol grounds. Not Obama, not the Feds. The people of the State. Polls show a clear majority favor that position, so it'll be coming down.

The very same conversation is going to happen in Mississippi about taking it off of the state flag.

As for Walmart, target and all the rest, for them to not sell something is not a "ban". It's a business decision, which I understand is based on public perception of their companies.

So once more, the flag is NOT BANNED.

And you are correct Sprue- the legal argument that South Carolina used for the cause of Secession was that according to the Constitution, the Federal Government was acting unconstitutionally by not returning fugitive slaves. But, the Federal Government was moving to change the Constitution, and did, on that issue.

fermis

I am offended that everybody is offended..I'm even offended by the word "offended".

Why would somebody be offended by a fictional tv show?

Because one character(or however many) is a bumbling idiot, does not imply that an entire group of people are bumbling idiots...just that guy. Idiots are EVERYWHERE...north, south, east, west and all points in between and beyond. Ever seen "Escanaba in da Moonlight" (Jeff Daniels)...does that make everybody from Michigan look like idiots? Should I be offended? I think not...I giggled and even laughed at it (I like stupid, nonsense comedy!).

(Not intended as a jab at ya G...just my perspective!)

If I were to wear a t-shirt that said "Straight, White, Meat eater...and PROUD"...everybody  wearing a "rainbow pride / black pride(any race for that matter) and/or "meat is murder" t-shirt would be offended, and that's perfectly acceptable..but, if I was offended by their shirt, I'm an a-hole bigot. STUPID! Tell me I'm wrong???!!! My shirt doesn't say I hate anybody, for any reason.

As for the flag...to the victors goes the history. Anything can be written, taught, suppressed and/or omitted from the pages. Had the tables turned, and the Confederate flag been the flag we recognize today, would the Union Flag represent hate??? When I was little, we had a confederate flag hanging in the living room. My Dad was born and raised in Michigan (5th generation, in fact)and was Huey pilot in the U.S. Army...we have relatives who fought (and died) for the North. For him (and myself), it simply represents a people, standing up for their beliefs, values, ideals and freedoms, not willing to be dictated to what they can or can not do. To them, their flag represented the same things our flags today represent to us.

I see the flag a lot, around here...mostly on trucks. Usually, some punk "redneck" kid, flying it to say "I'm a little rebel, aint nobody gonna tell me what to do, cuz F-you, that's wahh....BEER....'MERICA" .

Whatever!

Seems to me, that the ones always trying to find offense and point out hate and hate groups are the biggest hate group of all. Sad.

That's because people like you are busy working, raising a family, paying taxes, pursuing a dream, and are tolerate towards others that disagree with you. Pretty much the opposite characteristics of the other sides that you mentioned, at least the ones that get all the press.

Ok guys, settle down. I do agree with fermis's points of view. What it is, it is and this shall soon come to pass.

Oh geez, well times are changing. And I don't but it's not something to fight about here.

You are seriously mistaken if you think gay people would be offended by a tee shirt that says "straight".

You are also mistaken if more than a handful of African Am's would take offense to a tee shirt that says "white".

And I don't think you'd get any grief wearing a confederate tee shirt. Well, right now maybe.

But try a hate message, and you will. And to a lot of people, really a lot of them in fact 75% of AA's in SC, it's a hate message.

Those of you who revere it should have defended it back when it was co-opted by racists.

If the people of SC decide to remove it from their capitol, who are we to say they are wrong?

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GMorrison

Once more...IT IS NOT BANNED!

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And you are correct Sprue- the legal argument that South Carolina used for the cause of Secession was that according to the Constitution, the Federal Government was acting unconstitutionally by not returning fugitive slaves. But, the Federal Government was moving to change the Constitution, and did, on that issue.

Ban? that's a roll-on deodorant.................